Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Well ‘all day battery life’ is a far cry from about 2hours. Especially on a product designed specifically to use a separate battery and be highly portable. One would naturally assume in the case of the vp that it would be hot-swappable.
I never once thought of hot-swapping until I saw this article, so I wouldn't call it a natural assumption. Also I wouldn't say this device is designed to be highly portable. No marketing material shows it being used outside of just sitting around, or gently walking around indoor spaces. If portability was the design emphasis, they would have integrated the battery and taken a lot of the features out to reduce weight. The separate battery enables greater power, not greater portability.

Anyway, it seems to me like it would be easier to slide in a USB-C cable to a battery pack in my hands that I can see without removing the device than to fiddle with a proprietary twist-lock connector at the side of my head with a limited number of seconds before I suffer a shutdown anyway.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee
Are any of Apple's products hot swappable? if your iphone's battery is running out you have to plug it in or slap it on a wireless charger.... If your macbook is about to shut off due to battery you have to find the charging cable and plug it in.... Why would the VP be any different? and before you say because its supposed to be a mobile device, what is the iphone and ipad supposed to be?
 
Are any of Apple's products hot swappable? if your iphone's battery is running out you have to plug it in or slap it on a wireless charger.... If your macbook is about to shut off due to battery you have to find the charging cable and plug it in.... Why would the VP be any different? and before you say because its supposed to be a mobile device, what is the iphone and ipad supposed to be?
Those are built-in batteries tough, that you of course can't swap. An external battery should give you the advantage to be able to swap it. It would just require a capacitor that saves enough energy for ten seconds or so. That capacitor would not have to be powered all the time. You could tell the Vision Pro "I want to swap batteries now" and then it could transfer a tiny bit of energy into the capacitor. Just enough for the RAM to keep its data.

They could also offer a hibernate mode like on Windows. There your RAM is saved on your disk. Then you can turn the computer off and later you can can continues as if it was never turned off. I use it all the time and reboot less than once per month.
 
They would have needed to add some mechanical locking mechanism like they have on the side attached to the headset. Probably more than 10 cents. And since we’re relating it to the AVP price, surely Apple’s thinking is that the few users who break the cord and don’t have AC+ will be able to afford a new battery pack, since they were able to afford the AVP.
I still really wonder if there is some mechanism to detach it, or for Apple to "repair" a damaged cable.

Related is the bizarre part where the Apple Store page calls it a USB-C cable... which amuses me to no end.

I asked Niley if he tried to remove it, and he said that he pulled pretty hard, but didn't want to break his review unit.

There's still the mystery of the (presumably) USB-C dongle that are shown in all the dev videos, and whether you can power the device from that instead of the battery pack? :)
 
It's not the headset. It's everything that will occur (in a confined space) leading up to wearing it... which likely occur in reverse approximately 2.5 hours later. Whether for the novelty, or a lack of situational awareness, it will be a scene.

what do you think will occur? open the case. take it out. put it on. like people that insist on large cases for their headphones lol. or pull out their laptop computers. lack of situational awareness? is there going to be a kung fu fight on board?! it will be a scene, oh the horrors! a scene! you mean people asking questions about the device? dont worry there have been enough ads on tv they will know.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gusmula
I never once thought of hot-swapping until I saw this article, so I wouldn't call it a natural assumption. Also I wouldn't say this device is designed to be highly portable. No marketing material shows it being used outside of just sitting around, or gently walking around indoor spaces. If portability was the design emphasis, they would have integrated the battery and taken a lot of the features out to reduce weight. The separate battery enables greater power, not greater portability.

Anyway, it seems to me like it would be easier to slide in a USB-C cable to a battery pack in my hands that I can see without removing the device than to fiddle with a proprietary twist-lock connector at the side of my head with a limited number of seconds before I suffer a shutdown anyway.
Actually for me, it was precisely because the battery wasn’t integrated that I assume it would be hot-swappable.

Anyway. Whilst I care greatly for the tech and the future it represents, I’ll never be a buyer of something like this. Normal glasses, sunnies, contact lenses - I’d be all over it. We need several more years of advancements though.
 
mAh (milli-Ampere-hours) is not a measure of energy but a measure of charge or number of electrons. Ampere-Volt-hours otherwise known as Watt-hours is an energy measure. Electrons at lower voltage are less energetic. If an iPhone and the VP operated at the same voltage, mAh could be compared for relative energy content just by the number of electrons stored, but that was an invalid assumption. iPhone batteries operate at under 4V, whereas the VP battery apparently operates at 13V.
 
Having to tap someone on the shoulder to use the bathroom and have them look at you with a weird, poorly represented version of their eyes would be pretty bothersome. Headphones just require a tap and perhaps a gesture…

oh good grief, now we are going to say that people who sit in their seats wearing the AVP are offensive to the eyes of others? It has pass through video. A gesture will still work.
 
I never once thought of hot-swapping until I saw this article, so I wouldn't call it a natural assumption. Also I wouldn't say this device is designed to be highly portable. No marketing material shows it being used outside of just sitting around, or gently walking around indoor spaces. If portability was the design emphasis, they would have integrated the battery and taken a lot of the features out to reduce weight. The separate battery enables greater power, not greater portability.

Anyway, it seems to me like it would be easier to slide in a USB-C cable to a battery pack in my hands that I can see without removing the device than to fiddle with a proprietary twist-lock connector at the side of my head with a limited number of seconds before I suffer a shutdown anyway.
Most portable devices these days don't have hot swappable batteries. I don't think I have a device in my home that has a hot swappable battery. Don't think anybody thought this would be. Like a phone or a tablet or even maybe a laptop, you could buy an external battery to charge the internal battery which in the AVP's case is external to have less weight on your head.
 
Why is the assumption always jealousy?

Curiosity, interest, derision… mockery… those are all equally valid reasons why people might stop and stare.

because the negative language often used, and the oft repeated comments seem to come from a place other than curiosity or interest, bordering on obsessive need to put down something they loudly declare no interest in. sometimes a cigar is a cigar. jealousy does fit the symptoms. sometimes. not always :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: cogitodexter
As I understand it, the Quest Headsets don't have hot-swappable batteries either, do they? So funny how some people are just looking to make this a "thing."

You can buy extender batteries for the quest that are hot swappable (2 batteries in a pack, take on out to charge). But I suspect those same options will exist for the AVP.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee
Actually for me, it was precisely because the battery wasn’t integrated that I assume it would be hot-swappable.

Anyway. Whilst I care greatly for the tech and the future it represents, I’ll never be a buyer of something like this. Normal glasses, sunnies, contact lenses - I’d be all over it. We need several more years of advancements though.
Same, I've actually never bought a first-gen Apple anything. But I know I'll be getting one of these within a few years, be it whatever generation, and hopefully for closer to $2k. I do think spatial computing is the future for many applications.
 
I think almost the opposite: mobility is the big draw for me- great big screens I can summon while on the go. My #1 imagined use is for many long flights, when I'd like my desktop-sized screen R.E. vs. only 16" in a laptop. On the plane, on the train, at the hotel, when given a few hours at a client's office, etc- all seem like ideal times to summon the bigger screen to get things done. If I'm done, the ability to watch some movies on a giant screen and "wash away the plane" seems appealing too.

However, when at home or work, I imagine that much like the MB, it is in bag the majority of the time. I have a big screen TV at home for movies. It has great surround sound. When others are around, we'll watch on the home theater together.

When at work, I already have the big screen desktop monitor and the more powerful desktop Mac & PC connected to it. I'll use those and their big monitor instead. When I need to collaborate with someone, we'll collaborate on the big, physical monitor on the desk.

All that great stuff is anchored at those locations. I can't bring the giant TV or surround sound speakers onto the plane. I can't balance a 40" ultra wide on a tray table. All of that kind of tech is ideal when I'm where they are anchored. It's when I am AWAY from those spots where Vpro seems to offer enormous utility... much better than making do with a tiny phone screen, slightly larger tablet screen or even a 16" MB screen.

Does that mean I see no applications at home or office? Of course not. It very well may have great uses in either or both. But if that is the bulk of one's focus/time, I suspect they already have big screens and great computing tech at both locations. I see less purpose in Vpro if I had quick & easy access to my home or office setups at just about all times... UNLESS I didn't already have such equipment and might consider seeing if this could be a viable substitute for some of that. While I lean positive on Vpro, I lean negative on it being a substitution product for the traditional products. But maybe it works for someone's situation(s) in lieu of a home theater setup or in lieu of a traditional desktop office setup. I imagine it would not work as well... but maybe "good enough" for some people.
Plane, train, hotel, they all have wall socket. Don't they?
 
  • Like
Reactions: G5isAlive
Hotel? Yes. Plane? Sometimes. Train? I don't ever recall seeing a public access sockets on any train, but there's probably some somewhere?

But your speculation revolved around "most people" only using Vpro at home or work. My counter is that- for me anyway- those are towards the LAST places I might use it. Through my lens, it's like a laptop add-on... to be potentially used everywhere else but home & work... places where one pretty much leans on a laptop to get some work done.

Why? Because I would guess that "most people" already have traditional big screen setups at both home & work. Those screens are anchored at those locations. Away from those locations, the best they typically can get is up to 16" screens. Hello Vpro.

People keep slinging they would rather watch on their big screen TV or work on their big desktop screen or multiple screens... and I would too. However, both they & I cannot take our big screens on the plane, on the train, in the cab, to the hotel, etc. As soon as we leave the anchored tech locations, our screen size options plunge to 16" at best... usually a single 16" screen. Vpro changes that scenario for anyone desiring bigger work or entertainment screens away from home & office.

People also seem to be locked into some kind of either-or consideration: either one uses traditional screens OR they use Vpro. It's not like that. It's BOTH if one owns both. Use whichever screen(s) are best for the situation. Right now we don't choose to use either a desktop screen or a laptop/tablet/iPhone/watch screen. We use whichever screen works for us in a given situation. This is another kind of screen... or many screens for anyone wanting something more than 16" in select situations.
 
Last edited:
This article is awful. Watt hours (Wh) is a more accurate and consistent way to compare the total amount of energy that similar types of batteries can store. The iPhone 15 Pro's battery is 12.7Wh, while the Vision Pro's battery is 35.9Wh. This article's headline is a lie.

This place is becoming more and more of a joke by the day.
 
> although the voltages are different so the measurement alone can't be considered equivalent

So why not give a measurement in watt-hours instead?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee
Why are you even comparing a battery pack to an iPhone at all? Then to go on and compare them based on mah 😂 this article is just dumb
 
The negative reactions here are probably pretty good indicators of who has already purchased one, or wants one desperately. Chill. "It's a revolutionary device", and "there's bound to be awkward and uncomfortable moments" can coexist.

"The first people to join the Mile-High VisionPro Club are gonna be some obnoxious mofos"

negative reactions are probably an indicator that being called "obnoxious" or a "mojo" is not terribly chill. I think the number of funny moments are going to greatly outweigh any awkward moments.
 
The magnetic connector is ideal because it can rotate as needed. A little bump on the cord and will move to accommodate, unlike a plugged in USB cable which would be horrible. Hence why the EU is absolutely batshıt and needs to not involve themselves in things they don't understand.

It twists and locks in place

So you don’t knock in off in use and shut off the headset

This has been known since WWDC
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.