Apple Vision Pro International Launch Likely Scheduled for July

[barabba9174-bis]

I am disappointed too. I'm in Canada we are used to the same launch date as U.S. This wait is killing me. 6 months!!!! I thought maybe 4 months. Then I thought it has to be available by the end of June...... Now end of July???????

It's the same for me. I live in the UK and always buy new tech as soon as it comes out: this wait is killing me. I've been checking international launch information every single day since January.
Now I will buy a 6 month old device and I won't even have the wonder of the discovery, because in the US they have already tried everything.
As a tech enthusiast this is exactly what shouldn't happen.

 

[Kissmo1980]

You’d be surprised at how many people in the world aren’t “broke.” $4K is nothing to some people.

I didn’t say that! I do know.
I just commented about a 4500 Eur type of price vs USD.
That’s all.

 

[Zest28]

Even if it worked great, it’s too pricey for my blood. 🤷‍♂️

That's why you pay with kidneys.

 

[lilkwarrior]

Apple not investing in it for their employees says enough.

That sounds more like an arbitrary and speculative surmising in a way that strongly suggest you’re committing the confirmation bias fallacy

 

[MattD74]

Anyone abroad who seriously wanted one would’ve somehow attained one already. Those with the financial means to buy one can easily either travel to the states or find a resell unit.

Absolutely not, I live in Germany and I’m waiting until it officially releases here and will order it on day 1.
I actually flew to NYC to attend the launch event in the 5th Ave. Store but didn’t buy one then since I wouldn’t have any kind of support in case something happens back in Germany. Also bringing it back into Germany would’ve cost me around 700-800€ in import taxes on top of the cost of the AVD. Also I need prescription lenses which I also can’t order since they only ship inside the US and you need a note from an US doctor.

So no, not everyone got already one.

 

[GrayFlannel]

That sounds more like an arbitrary and speculative surmising in a way that strongly suggest you’re committing the confirmation bias fallacy

There is no arbitrary, speculative surmise nor confirmation bias when a company touts its own product as a productivity tool but doesn't use it as one. It’s confirmation that the company doesn’t believe its own claim.

 

[Flowstates]

There is no arbitrary, speculative surmise nor confirmation bias when a company touts its own product as a productivity tool but doesn't use it as one. It’s confirmation that the company doesn’t believe its own claim.

I'd be remitted not to point out the the Vision Pro as Productivity tool" argument has sailed. That is apart from content creators wanting to sustain the myth for it's own sake. Most "Real" users I know have settled on designating the device as what it is. A consumption device ... For which there may or not be an enterprise market.

 

[deckard666]

I am tempted in the UK - I spent 1k on Focal Bathys as I love my AV so 2k for this wouldn't be an issue - obviously YMMV according to your disposable income....

 

[GrayFlannel]

I am tempted in the UK - I spent 1k on Focal Bathys as I love my AV so 2k for this wouldn't be an issue - obviously YMMV according to your disposable income....

I spend all sorts of nonsense money without regret, so I genuinely hope you enjoy it!

 

[Kierkegaarden]

It's the same for me. I live in the UK and always buy new tech as soon as it comes out: this wait is killing me. I've been checking international launch information every single day since January.
Now I will buy a 6 month old device and I won't even have the wonder of the discovery, because in the US they have already tried everything.
As a tech enthusiast this is exactly what shouldn't happen.

Yeah, I get it — but the wait will be worth it! More apps at UK release, more bugs worked out, and more immersive content. I think Apple has been slow to release content because they want to release the device in more countries before expanding the library.

 

[mozumder]

Coding directly off a laptop is inefficient enough, I couldn’t imagine trying to accomplish something on a VP linked to a laptop.

The reason it's usually inefficient is because of the small screen, which the AVP solves.

 

[pianophile]

I do not predict huge sales outside of US. Great product, but very poor software support.

Apple knows that this version won't sell huge quantities, and they couldn't deliver those quantities, even if sales could justify it. This is a version 1.0 developer release. As Tim said, "this is only the beginning..."

 

[GrayFlannel]

The reason it's usually inefficient is because of the small screen, which the AVP solves.

Screen (singular), keyboard, touchpad, etc.. But happy that you enjoy your AVP.

 

[HDFan]

I won't even have the wonder of the discovery,

You should still get the wonder of discovery since it is new to you. I am always in awe when I put it on.

Although many of the initial questions may have been answered this is advantageous because when you discover problems there will be answers readily available. You won't have to wait days for answers. Believe me, there is a lot to discover!

 

[barabba9174-bis]

You should still get the wonder of discovery since it is new to you. I am always in awe when I put it on.

Although many of the initial questions may have been answered this is advantageous because when you discover problems there will be answers readily available. You won't have to wait days for answers. Believe me, there is a lot to discover!

I don't know, I have a lot of VR headsets and it annoys me to have to do the investigation last. I wish I could see the whole route.
Today I finally try it at the house of a friend who bought it in the US.

 

[JapanApple]

Well, they used a different stock image! Improvement!

 

[robertogallo]

Apple Care Plus is international, but it’s pointless having an international guarantee if there aren’t spare parts in your country.

They aren’t international for everything, nor everywhere. One really needs to read the small caps…

 

[lilkwarrior]

Glad you like the specs, but none of that addresses the key issue I brought up:

Does the AVP improve productivity so much compared to that Pro Display XDR and Mac Pro you mentioned that people are compelled to spend nearly $4K, put it on, isolate themselves from their environment, deal with comfort adjustments (compared to not having a machine on your face), and make it part of their workflows?

The AVP specs are awesome and cool, but for many the answer to the question above is simply “No, it does not.”

It’s speculative

I'd be remitted not to point out the the Vision Pro as Productivity tool" argument has sailed. That is apart from content creators wanting to sustain the myth for its own sake. Most "Real" users I know have settled on designating the device as what it is. A consumption device ... For which there may or not be an enterprise market.

…Anecdotal surmising on a device that has a primary audience and segment that do not concern themselves with doing so at volume at all publicly (prosumers and enterprise) is essentially textbook confirmation bias.

The audiences on content forum audiences proclaiming the things you have have consistently not even been people who even have the product, used it extensively, or fundamentally don’t like the precedent they think it sets for computing in their respective subcultures.

In any case, the device has enterprise and Apple’s core prosumer features no different than other Apple prosumer products such as MDM profiles, professional quality HDR support that by no coincidence non-prosumer Apple devices to not support.

Much of its prosumer capabilities an average person do not understand nor can appreciate or maximize—which is again fine for a device that is not for most people.

Its naming, specs, parts, and price align with this this in the one country it’s available in currently.

 

[macplow]

I use mine a lot. Mostly as a display for my laptop while working in bed, usually coding late at nights.

I'm so lazy and it's great. But yah its not for everyone.

I used mine on a plane for the first time. It was 100x better than I anticipated. Watching a giant movie while texting and surfing made the hours evaporate. My cramped physical space became a giant workspace. Amazing.

Airplane WIFI was fine for text and surfing, but lacking for streaming. (looked like 480 max which is very poor quality on AVP) best to download media before the flight, which can currently only be done on apple tv, disney and maxx- which is enough, but wish amazon and netflix were on the list.

And yes, I was embarrassed to put it on at first, but everyone else was already staring at phone ipad or laptop, so no one commented or even reacted.

I'll never fly without AVP again.

 

[Flowstates]

Anecdotal surmising on a device that has a primary audience and segment that do not concern themselves with doing so at volume at all publicly (prosumers and enterprise) is essentially textbook confirmation bias.

The audiences on content forum audiences proclaiming the things you have have consistently not even been people who even have the product, used it extensively, or fundamentally don’t like the precedent they think it sets for computing in their respective subcultures.

Hence my reluctance forming my argument basing on the feedback of this segment, although I do recognize the weakness of extending the observations made in my *personnal* network in supporting explicit universal categorization.

Still, some nuance between publicised use and private use is achieved.

In any case, the device has enterprise and Apple’s core prosumer features no different than other Apple prosumer products such as MDM profiles, professional quality HDR support that by no coincidence non-prosumer Apple devices to not support.

Much of its prosumer capabilities an average person do not understand nor can appreciate or maximize—which is again fine for a device that is not for most people.

If I am not mistaken, MDM management is handled at the OS level and is not bound to any specific SKU's, the point is moot. HDR reference monitoring allows me to understand your perception of a "Pro" workload. I wholeheartedly agree about a subset of the creative industries using them to validate concepts and ship Immersive content (being doubtful about studios willingness to provide more nodes in the pipeline than absolutely necessary with the device).

If you want to understand the dichotomy intended by my comment in the differenciation between consumption and production. I'd refer you to the work being done by HCL researchers with the Microsoft Holo-Lens (whose pricing already somewhat indicated the ability of business markets to sustain those innovations and workflows when contrasted with adoption costs).

Its naming, specs, parts, and price align with this this in the one country it’s available in currently.

I do agree that the fuss about pricing is tiresome and repetitive, that reality has to be expected and change only effected through modification of consumer patterns.

 

[lilkwarrior]

Even reviewers who received free units say it collects dust on their shelves. And they're tech people.

…Most reviewers aren’t prosumers nor even the target audience.

 

[Quu]

…Most reviewers aren’t prosumers nor even the target audience.

MKBHD said it's collecting dust on his podcast while he mainlines a 16" MBP, iPhone, Mac Pro Tower and dual Pro Display XDR's.

 

[subjonas]

I’m still waiting to see how “the masses” can use it (spatial computing and the AVP itself) to improve productivity in any way over other available tools. So far it seems to be little more than a media consumption platform. If the bulk of the “WOW!” use cases are niche, industry-specific applications, perhaps Apple should have focused more on that market instead of portraying this as a general consumer device.

Why wouldn't they do both? I'm sure they want as many sales as they can.

 

[JapanApple]

YouTube creators shouldn't be looked at as real users of Vision Pro. They just want likes and subscribers. Just like most so-called experts, they seem like experts in the field. So of course, the devices just sit there. because they need content so they can keep making content about devices for their channel or portfolio. That is why I care less about reviews, that's why I try the devices before I buy. That's why I take the time to buy devices. It's about patience and not buying without first learning for yourself if it's for you. Not these paid experts who try to convince others it if is good or bad. Fools and their monies soon part and fools that follow misguided reviews for the sake of money are just as bad. Fan sites at times are a waste of time. because most are just hate-driven or convincing to buy when the product isn't worth the time or money.

 

[Mr_Ed]

Why wouldn't they do both? I'm sure they want as many sales as they can.

As I see it:

1. Expectations, use cases, and priorities for a device like this are going to differ quite a bit between retail customers and enterprise customers. There is overlap, to be sure, but it’s not like with desktop/laptop computers or phones where there is nearly 100% overlap between those customer bases. Both groups may spend more or less depending on perceived benefit of “upscale” specs, and both basically use computers and phones the same way.
2. The size of the “wallets” is very different between retail and enterprise customers. Enterprise customers regularly spend thousands on a piece of hardware (and similar amounts on specialized software) just to see if/how they can use it. If they can document a benefit, they’ll happily order more of those expensive items. Retail customers generally won’t even consider spending large sums just to “experiment”.