Apple Vision Pro Launches in UK, Canada, France, Germany, and Australia

[jo-1]

Still makes no sense to discuss anything with a fan.

Who else would buy that pice of technology other than an interested person? Ferraris are bought by Ferrari aficionados and basketball game passes by basketball interested people - I don't geht this notion that everybody has to like an offering outside of the targeted group - you're probably not the target group

AVP is just another VR glasses no matter if Apples marketing department calls it „spatial computing“ or TC calls it an “iPhone moment” (guess his biggest dream is to have one - but there is none) - and also „Apple Intelligence“ is just Artificial Intelligence borrowed from Google/OpenAI and rebranded into Apple cosmos.

Again - in case you don't fall under the Apple aficionado designation you're probably not the target group and that's just fine - I like their approaches most of the time - frankly speaking their solutions don't normally attract people who do not see them as an integrated solution but individual products that serve a single purpose

I don’t see Apple VR going anywhere.

That's fine - we are all entitled to our opinions - I voted with my money and many others too - I have probably the better argument really liking my investment and being ready to buy every successor that is more advanced - the current buyers plus the ones that are left out by now due to the price tag are an even bigger total group

No content besides of internet pr0n and some demos, no killer app but massive problems since no one cares. And if production numbers crash (what is what happens right now), cost explodes.

Apple has probably invested more than $ 15 B - in case we assume for a moment that they'll sell south of 500 k in the predicted life time of the AVP life span this is a minus of $ 25 k per AVP - nobody really beliefs that the first 2 .. 3 versions would justify any business case - that would be very very narrow thinking.

Just have a look at the Canon and Blackmagic offerings and I would not be surprised to see also other equipment manufactures doing specialized stuff for the AVP.

AVP might be dead by the end of the year. I wouldn‘t call this speculation but a qualified guess.

nope - there'll be a lot of stuff coming out as we speak.

This is a long term investment - it started probably more than 10 years ago. It's like the tip of the iceberg and we've seen that many times with Apple being very presistant with their investments.

You seem to want to see them failing - that's the new era of resentment in society - or probably something else - you can not imagine what to do with it thus nobody will be able to do something with it

Owning it for three days has opened my eyes - literally - just an amazing piece of technology and I hope that people see it as that - if they just use to for whatever brings fun to their life I am also fine with it.

All new iPhones will be able to record spatial videos - in five years from now that will be a number of roughly 700 .. 800 Million phones around the globe.

Imagine how much value your videos of your kids will have when you can view them one or two decades into the future

 

[nubero]

Wow not a single article or tv report about this here in Germany as far as I could see. Where is the buzz? Even the iPhone is still getting acknowledged each fall.

There’s only ever a buzz around things that people are actually interested in.

 

[jo-1]

There’s only ever a buzz around things that people are actually interested in.

ARD
ZDF
WELT
FAZ
Seuddeutsche
BILD

( fun fact - I'd be highly interested in the media coverage of the the Macintosh launch 1984 ) - I can not remember seeing anything in the newspaper or on TV )

 

[Janschi]

I had a demo today at the Apple Store. I didn't like that the images weren't crisp most of the time. It felt uncomfortable and my eyes hurt after the demo. Definitely not a product for me.

 

[lilkwarrior]

There’s only ever a buzz around things that people are actually interested in.

It’s prosumer product: There isn’t an abundance of TV reports and countless articles for the Mac Studio and Mac Pro either despite being the best and most capable PCs Apple offers.

The iPhone Pro and the iPad Pro are maybe the exceptions with the latter getting articles feeding into mainstream fervor for a hybrid laptop be attempted by Apple with its name instead of the actual capabilities of the actual product which still makes the iPad the best prosumer tablet for its specialized use cases.

Mainstream people have modest use cases for computers and personal computing making a phone the most sense to market in a mainstream matter.

Any XR headset, especially a prosumer one like Apple’s, is well beyond their computing use cases and needs—let alone affordability.

That’s not unlike how the Pro Display XDR has played out still unrivaled in the prosumer monitor category with the heights it reached aging like fine wine in its device category.

There is yet to be a standalone prosumer headset attempted at the quality of the Vision Pro; Meta bowed out of making a prosumer headset this gen.

A non-prosumer Apple headset would warrant mainstream marketing—not the Vision Pro.

 

[HDFan]

No content besides of internet pr0n and some demos,

See my post listing great VP apps. More appearing every week.

AVP might be dead by the end of the year.

Apple is working on a lower cost version possibly for 2025. Current version likely to be updated in 2026.

 

[jo-1]

See my post listing great VP apps. More appearing every week.

In case the denial is not fact based you're unfortunately lost even with the best arguments

Apple is working on a lower cost version possibly for 2025. Current version likely to be updated in 2026.

In case Apple would have started with even more content and announce a MR headset in a couple of months people still be in denial in case they dislike the brand or activities - this is a modern ( a ) social media phenomenon.

I did not hear a single valid argument other than price - which is a very individual rating and hardly any real blocking point in the western world - people spend more money on other stuff - so it's only a question of setting priorities with is again extremely individual.

I am not happy with the available selection but it is good enough and almost all iPad APPs run - it's a clever start and it's only the beginning.

 

[lilkwarrior]

I could.... if it was comfortable enough. And for me the resolution is too low versus using actual high resolution monitors (not to be confused with the resolution of the VP's screens, before someone tells me they are the best of any headset). I simply can't think of anything worse than wearing a headset for hours and hours on end. I've tried and it is a horrible experience.

I’m curious what high PPI monitors you’re talking about (PPI > Resolution)…

The Vision Pro can output 5K2K (2.0) and a consistent 4K+ resolution with mirrored things 4K after downsampling from 5K.

Furthermore it can ergonomically move the screen in depth, angles, and so on for versatility most large 4K monitors cannot provide (heck lay down) .

Headset comfortability varies from person to person, speaking for myself it certainly has been easily comfortable for me to wear for hours on end when I’m not using my Pro Display XDR or 5K2K monitors.

I’m perhaps not necessarily considered the average person in physical capabilities being a person that workouts 6 days a week, 12% body fat and etc, wearing smart bike helmets biking 30-40 miles, and so on.

Nonetheless you shouldn’t be using any screen that extensively—especially monitors and screens associated with spatial computing hardware.

 

[Bazza1]

$CDN5000.00!
Catering to those to whom the PT Barnum School of Retail Humbuggery applies. And because of the dearth of a growing library of apps, soon to be relegated to those basement-dwelling Macolytes who spend their time gaming.

 

[d___d]

Really appreciated my demo yesterday. It's an insane, consumer-ready dev kit. The cost is of course outlandish for most at the moment, but I'm optimistic that we'll be able to acquire some of these over the coming months and put them into the hands of students.

 

[jo-1]

Really appreciated my demo yesterday. It's an insane, consumer-ready dev kit. The cost is of course outlandish for most at the moment, but I'm optimistic that we'll be able to acquire some of these over the coming months and put them into the hands of students.

Don‘t let them read the technology denial of some forums

Just finished watching Avengers 3D in my dining room ( which is rather small )

From Tony Starks Penthouse balcony - nice evening pleasure.

 

[JPloof]

Been playing around since delivery here in Canada yesterday. Cool tech, but definately not something I’ll be using for hours on end. Spatial video content seems to be the killer app, I’ve enjoyed the dinosaur stuff, breathtaking. Went to try and download the Marvel What if experience…..but only seems available in the US? Anyone know if this is coming to other territory app stores?

 

[frownface]

Been playing around since delivery here in Canada yesterday. Cool tech, but definately not something I’ll be using for hours on end. Spatial video content seems to be the killer app, I’ve enjoyed the dinosaur stuff, breathtaking. Went to try and download the Marvel What if experience…..but only seems available in the US? Anyone know if this is coming to other territory app stores?

Region locking content seems daft when content is already limited to begin with

 

[Janschi]

Region locking content seems daft when content is already limited to begin with

Totally agree! I understand that it’s due to licensing issues, but having 0 apps sucks.
When it released in the US, I wanted to order it and have it shipped to Germany so bad.
The demo I had the other day was eye opening though. Yes it’s nice, but like I said before it was super uncomfortable on my head and my eyes hurt all day just from a 30 min demo.
So this is definitely nothing for me.
For me the AVP falls into the same category as Apple TV and iPad: nice to have and play around with, but nothing I really need.
Instead of the Vision Pro, I‘d rather get a new 16“ MBP.

 

[jo-1]

Totally agree! I understand that it’s due to licensing issues, but having 0 apps sucks.

You're getting no APPs for the App in Canada?

When it released in the US, I wanted to order it and have it shipped to Germany so bad.

APPs are online - no shipping needed. In case you're talking about the HW it is available now and it is gorgeous.

The demo I had the other day was eye opening though. Yes it’s nice, but like I said before it was super uncomfortable on my head and my eyes hurt all day just from a 30 min demo.

Did you try it with your individual prescription? Most people have slight eye ball deformations and thus even in case you're not wearing medical eye glasses you might need glasses for the AVP - in my case it is even better view with the prescription optical inserts than my normal glasses. Furthermore the wear comfort is highly dependent the right fit of the light seal and the best setting of the head band. At the demo in the Apple store I wore the dual loop band - at home I tried both and the single loop band works best for me. The AVP is resting in the area of my eye brows and thus the weight is not that much of a problem - but it is definitely too heavy - I agree

So this is definitely nothing for me.

Too bad - there will be a probably lighter version in the lower budget Apple Vision next year.

For me the AVP falls into the same category as Apple TV and iPad: nice to have and play around with, but nothing I really need.

Needing vs wanting - we need only few things - water, air, food and shelter - all the other things are nice to have

Instead of the Vision Pro, I‘d rather get a new 16“ MBP.

well - e.g. I own a iMP, MBP M1 max and iPP 11.1" and a 2018 iPP and a iPM ...

It's not either or - it's additional - Apple devices tend to last very long for me - thus the spend is rather limited and in case I had to decide whether I invest in a vacation or the App I'd choose for that specific year the AVP and make 'balcony vacation' 🤣

 

[laptech]

I remember when the Oculus Rift was released, many shops were either given or bought the DK2 (Development Kit 2) prior to the release of the official consumer version. It was to allow potential buyers the opportunity to try out the VR headset and I remember even back then many people who tried it said it was not for them because a) it was too heavy and b) it hurt their eyes after just a couple of minutes of use and this was back in 2014 when the DK2 was released.

10 years on and VR makers still have not learnt from issues of the past, too heavy and hurts the eyes after only a short time of use.

Therefore I can see why sales are sluggish because only the right type of person will buy the Vison Pro, 1) those that can afford it 2) those that can handle it's weight and 3) those who it does not hurt their eyes. That means only a small number of the population is going to purchase the Vison Pro. I also wonder how many tech websites, magazines and social media channels purchased one so they could make a good review of it and then returned it to Apple within the guarantee allowable time to return items.

 

[jo-1]

I remember when the Oculus Rift was released, many shops were either given or bought the DK2 (Development Kit 2) prior to the release of the official consumer version. It was to allow potential buyers the opportunity to try out the VR headset and I remember even back then many people who tried it said it was not for them because a) it was too heavy and b) it hurt their eyes after just a couple of minutes of use and this was back in 2014 when the DK2 was released.

many people don't like hiking or cycling because it hurts after a while - well - a) that's the nature of certain activities and b) maybe wrong shoes or clothing or saddle - with the AVP you need the right prescription lenses and the weight will unfortunately not go away until we'll get a more advanced technology in a few years out

10 years on and VR makers still have not learnt from issues of the past, too heavy and hurts the eyes after only a short time of use.

The AVP is no VR headset to start with and thus the use case is different - at least for me and I would have never bought a VR headset except maybe for 1st person view for drone flying - but outside of that these devices are just boring ( for me ) - the AVP however is a spatial computer - or an iPad to wear - and thus non a completely new level

Therefore I can see why sales are sluggish because only the right type of person will buy the Vison Pro,

That's the case for every advanced technology like sports cars, airplanes, tools, cock devices - only the right people will buy it - imagine a gourmet oven for $ 10 k - easy to spend - only chefs with the ambition to use that gear will buy it

1) those that can afford it

Applicable to all kinds of goods

2) those that can handle it's weight

This is the IMHO one of the very few really annoying topics - it is quite hevyy and I think I'll only be able to wear it maybe for 4 .. 5 h maximum - but that would be a rare exception since I hardly ever have 4 .. 5 h time to spare for a MR headset - except in a plane

and 3) those who it does not hurt their eyes.

I am pretty sure that this can be overcome by the right optical inserts for most people - if not all

That means only a small number of the population is going to purchase the Vison Pro.

It was never intended to be bought by millions at this point in time for the AVP - this is a technology demonstrator - a very very nice one though

I also wonder how many tech websites, magazines and social media channels purchased one so they could make a good review of it and then returned it to Apple within the guarantee allowable time to return items.

So they never purchased it - they lent it 🤣

Magazines and social media channels are meant to bring new stuff continuously to attract people - they have most of the time no intention to deliver tangible worthwhile information to start with - my observation is that the good ones know their viewers pretty well and deliver what their content consumes would like to see and hear. Only few have a balanced view and deliver information I can digest in a neutral way drawing my own conclusion.

Marques Brownlee is one of the few where I get mist of the time tangible data points. In technology people are used to live around hypes - wheres I am normally seeking for keepers and not for short term thrills.

The AVP is definitely a keeper for me.

edit: Just installed 2.0 b3 - new gesture for home screen is very welcome

 

[Janschi]

You're getting no APPs for the App in Canada?

I'm not from Canada though. Yes there are apps, but there are many more apps in the US due to licensing issues.

APPs are online - no shipping needed. In case you're talking about the HW it is available now and it is gorgeous.

What else than Hardware would I mean? I could've gotten it shipped to Germany if my fingers were tingling a little harder.

Did you try it with your individual prescription? Most people have slight eye ball deformations and thus even in case you're not wearing medical eye glasses you might need glasses for the AVP - in my case it is even better view with the prescription optical inserts than my normal glasses. Furthermore the wear comfort is highly dependent the right fit of the light seal and the best setting of the head band. At the demo in the Apple store I wore the dual loop band - at home I tried both and the single loop band works best for me. The AVP is resting in the area of my eye brows and thus the weight is not that much of a problem - but it is definitely too heavy - I agree

My eyes are fine, I don't have to wear glasses / contact lenses. Good to know (eye ball deformations), that's something they could've told me, after I told the staff that my eyes hurt. I went with a co-worker and he loved it and did not have issues. The only reason he didn't buy it was that his GF would've immediately broken up with him. Haha.
Yeah, they only offered the dual loop band to try, probably for safety reasons. I adjusting the straps during the demo 2 times, because of how uncomfortable I've felt, but that didn't help. Most of the weight was on my upper cheeks "pushing" my face down.
The experience with the staff was nice though, I even got to try some stuff on my own, because we finished quickly since I knew all the gestures already from Reviews.

Too bad - there will be a probably lighter version in the lower budget Apple Vision next year.

I think I won't be investing in those either. I'd probably prefer a product like Google Glass over a headset.
I don't think my opinion the demo gave me is going to change. I probably will go to another demo and ask them to fully test it out myself, but at the other hand I do not want my eyes hurting for another 10h again.
The tech inside it sure is nice, but I also didn't like that the cameras weren't such a great quality either. The Apple Store is a well lit place and even the iPad booth in the back during my demo was grainy and not sharp on the AVP screens.

Needing vs wanting - we need only few things - water, air, food and shelter - all the other things are nice to have

Nice that you are trying to be philosophical, but we're talking about tech. I need an iPhone. I need a MacBook.
For me personally I would be happier with the latest MBP over the AVP. Especially since I don't consume too much stuff like Netflix, Disney, etc. I mostly only watch YouTube.

well - e.g. I own a iMP, MBP M1 max and iPP 11.1" and a 2018 iPP and a iPM ...

It's not either or - it's additional - Apple devices tend to last very long for me - thus the spend is rather limited and in case I had to decide whether I invest in a vacation or the App I'd choose for that specific year the AVP and make 'balcony vacation' 🤣

For me Apple Devices last a long time too, but personally I would've went on vacation. I would've went to visit Peru and the Machu Picchu

Jaja Urlaub auf Balkonien also.

 

[jo-1]

I'm not from Canada though. Yes there are apps, but there are many more apps in the US due to licensing issues.

That will be solved over time as history confirms - in case there is a long term gap it will be filled by companies that seek for these niches

What else than Hardware would I mean? I could've gotten it shipped to Germany if my fingers were tingling a little harder.



My eyes are fine, I don't have to wear glasses / contact lenses. Good to know (eye ball deformations), that's something they could've told me, after I told the staff that my eyes hurt. I went with a co-worker and he loved it and did not have issues.

Should be a clear indication that there might be something wooing with your eyes

The only reason he didn't buy it was that his GF would've immediately broken up with him. Haha.

In fact I ended a relationship because my partner did not accept my pleaser for nice things and just wants to build a house and get kids - you have to make decisions in live 🤣

Yeah, they only offered the dual loop band to try, probably for safety reasons. I adjusting the straps during the demo 2 times, because of how uncomfortable I've felt, but that didn't help. Most of the weight was on my upper cheeks "pushing" my face down.

Yes - the weight is prohibitive to wear it longer than a few hours - but that applies for helmets of all kinds - that's the price you'll have to pay for the pleasure of using it

The experience with the staff was nice though, I even got to try some stuff on my own, because we finished quickly since I knew all the gestures already from Reviews.

That's may experience with the Genius Bar and all other Apple employees I've ever met - seems to make fun having a job that brings joy to others

I think I won't be investing in those either.

Fine with all of us - there is no monopoly ( yet )

I'd probably prefer a product like Google Glass over a headset.

That's a totally different offering and it offers no blacks just light tones mapped over reality

I don't think my opinion the demo gave me is going to change.

I guess you knew that before the demo

I probably will go to another demo and ask them to fully test it out myself, but at the other hand I do not want my eyes hurting for another 10h again.

Just skip it and let others have that slot

The tech inside it sure is nice, but I also didn't like that the cameras weren't such a great quality either. The Apple Store is a well lit place and even the iPad booth in the back during my demo was grainy and not sharp on the AVP screens.

Yes - I can confirm that - does not take away the Holodeck experience and with the 2.0 Beta 3 loaded some further spaces occurs - standing on the moon or in the Steve Jobs thearte is just awesome

Nice that you are trying to be philosophical, but we're talking about tech.

No - that's marketing and real world experiences - everything outside food, shelter and water is not needed but wanted

I need an iPhone. I need a MacBook.

Why? You get it either for your job or you do a different job where its not needed

For me personally I would be happier with the latest MBP over the AVP.

I own a maxed out MBP and without the AVP the use in a hot room is just cumbersome working on large pivot tables

Especially since I don't consume too much stuff like Netflix, Disney, etc. I mostly only watch YouTube.

All of which are not on the AVP except Disney - and they did a nice approach with taylor made spaces

For me Apple Devices last a long time too, but personally I would've went on vacation. I would've went to visit Peru and the Machu Picchu

Jaja Urlaub auf Balkonien also.

I saw a good deal of this planet due to my job without spending a single penny - traveling is my 2nd nature but it's becoming very boring lately for me - renting a car. driving around - eating local food - meeting more or less friendly people and with the latest rates in Spain a clear signal that traveling is not only positive for the local people.

The magic word is balanced view - there is no either or - the right mixture is the clever men's goal.

In case you prefer one over the other that's fine - I just don't see the need to do that decision - there is plenty of ways to make things happen - I learned to do just that.

Spend another 3 hours yesterday evening exploring new stuff while working all day - a mini vacation for my brain

 

[HDFan]

standing on the moon or in the Steve Jobs thearte is just awesome

Where did you see the Jobs theater? The Apple movie theater environment is generic ....

 

[jo-1]

Where did you see the Jobs theater? The Apple movie theater environment is generic ....

Keynote - you can choose between meeting room and Steve Jobs Theatre when practicing you presentation

very nice idea

in the meantime 2.0 beta 4 is available for download - 2.0 is in fact the level we’d all agree being more what a 1.0 is supposed to be. O.k. For me after two weeks owning it

 

[HDFan]

Ah, in 2.0. Thanks.

 

[jo-1]

Ah, in 2.0. Thanks.

No it‘s also available in keynote in visionOS 1.2

I mentioned 2.0 beta because it is the level reviewers should consider as the baseline

 

[HDFan]

it‘s also available in keynote in visionOS 1.2

Don't follow. The keynote is a video, not an immersive environment.

P.S. The light font you used is hard to read

 

[jo-1]

Don't follow. The keynote is a video, not an immersive environment.

P.S. The light font you used is hard to read

Keynote

Keynote für Mac, iOS und iCloud für beeindruckende Präsentationen. Alle können zusammenarbeiten, auch mit einem PC. Kompatibel mit dem Apple Pencil.

www.apple.com