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Just have to see if Patel is really correct about that. The Brian Tong review mentioned the light reflection issue with very bright movie scenes while watching in a fairly dark environment but never said anything about FOV seeming too small. I've seen other articles (like the one below) that say reviewers considered the FOV to be similar to other headsets in the range of 100 to 120 degrees FOV.


"Although Apple hasn't disclosed the Field of View (FOV) of the Vision Pro headset, journalists who have tried the device mention that it competes with other AR/VR headsets offering a FOV ranging from 100 to 120 degrees."
yeah, Patel mentioned they were trying to simulate it and they drew in black areas so extreme that if that were true, then other reviewers would have called that out. But nobody, over 20-30 different people I've seen, have ever said it was that extreme.
 
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Tim Cook had been so careful, and it seems like he finally played his hand. And like we all knew all along, he doesn't have any great ideas.

I agree
For a few years now I've been wishing he would retire and let Apple go in a more creative direction

The "squeeze all the remaining juice out of the lemon" approach of his has its limits
 
I am excited about the idea but I don't see myself using until it is much much smaller and cheaper.
 
Okay, but imagine that experience during a flight or somewhere where you cannot just “plug in”. Watching a movie, “battery low, powering down”, having to take the headset off, plugging in another battery, putting the headset back on, powering it on, THEN having to navigate back to the app to find the movie you were just watching. On an iPhone or iPad? I’m not having to take a BULKY headset off. And mind you this is ALL for what…a bigger screen? At least I can play games on an iPad or iPhone…
Reread what I wrote. You can plug a power bank into the AVP battery, and you can hot-swap that power bank without taking the AVP off. Just like you can with an iPhone or iPad. Think of the AVP battery as if it were fully built-in.
 
Kind of sad that so much of journalism has sunk to the level that we are only inclined to believe they’re telling the truth if they don’t like it. Just another thing I don’t understand about business. Why does marketing think these astroturfed reviews work? It’s been a known thing for years. But they probably think that because it does work, despite some people being aware of it.
Maybe I shouldn’t have stressed the skeptical conclusions so much. It’s a very balanced review, and it would be even if it landed on a more positive conclusion. You can tell by how the review discusses various aspects, not by whether they overall like the product or not.
 
These are essentially just marketing commercials, as the devices are sent by Apple and content is highly restricted. They can't actually give real opinions or risk losing their status with Apple, and therefore potential income from YouTube.

(Just an FYI for anyone new here.)
Did you even watch the the verge review? The reviewer kind of made it seem like a disappointing product, I certainly was expecting more “magic” and less flaws.
 
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Maybe I shouldn’t have stressed the skeptical conclusions so much. It’s a very balanced review, and it would be even if it landed on a more positive conclusion. You can tell by how the review discusses various aspects, not by whether they overall like the product or not.

Maybe I’m being overly critical (shocker.) It’s just that Apple plays such favoritism with journalists it’s hard not to be skeptical. It’s always the same early reviewers. I don’t think they’re outright being dishonest but they are definitely favored by Apple so they are at the very least biased. But I’m glad they aren’t just parroting the talking points and we can finally have some more open opinions. All these same people were under various early NDAs.
 
Criticisms I don't care about:
- Battery Pack: No need to hot swap; just plug additional 30W battery into battery pack. Done.
- 2 Hour Battery Pack: Plug it in
- Messes up your hair: I have short hair. I wear baseball hats. I wear a motorcycle helmet. I wear skiing goggles. Nothing new here. You make sacrifices for benefits.
- Heavy: I'll take the tech as is today for all the benefits using this tech gives me. Hope it gets smaller in the future
- Look like a dork: I disagree, but I just don't care
- Isolating: For my use-case, getting into "flow" state, I WANT isolation
- Cost: Many of you spend money on cars and big homes. I spend money on tech.
- Too Fidly to put together: Seriously? I think the whole thing is incredibly elegant
- Only 1 Mac Screen: Almost all of my Apps will be native in Vision OS. But if not, I get a big mac screen. More than good enough for me. And I can splt that big mac screen into side-by-side apps on the Mac
- Doesn't have THAT APP!!!!: Apps will come
- Persona: I hate video chat in general. I only use it grudgingly. Won't use it on AVP.
 
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I am curious as to know how the Vision Pro knows what the face looks like..are there cameras inside the headset mapping the face out? see here for the latest video update.
The AVP takes a one-time face scan while you hold it in front of your face. This creates your “persona”. Then later, while you do a FaceTime call, it only captures your mouth movements (with a camera at the bottom edge of the AVP) and eye movements, and projects those onto the existing 3D scan of your face. This is why the result looks a bit creepy and unnatural.
 
I think the vibe of iJustine, yes while absolutely fangirly, is that this is the 1st headset fashionable non-techy women wouldn’t mind be caught dead wearing. And ladies not minding it is crucial.

Which is very much what Apple does, they wash off the speedfins, the gunk of nerdy/sweaty goofyness that makes 99% of "tech-bro" tech so unpalpable for women and people with "taste"… And like it or not, that demographic does set the mood for a product.


Anyway, I think its about as good as could be expected for a gen 1 launch. All it needs now, is to appear in some music video/shows/etc…


Naysayers, sure. There is alot… I think I land on the side of:"This thing will unequivocally rock at AVP version 3" Right now though, it is very much an early adoptor thing. Unless there is an amazing painting/sculpting app, and then I am mby getting it.
 
Regardless of how you feel about the place of VR/AR and being disconnected, some of these design choices just strike me as extremely bizzare. Why make the battery cord non-removable? The demonstrated FOV in the Verge's video review looks quite small as well – why not make it bigger? Why even bother launching with the 'eyes' feature if it works so poorly you won't have your own execs use it?
 
Nilay's excellent point on having to point your eyes after decades of using computer peripherals without looking at them.
I actually didn’t understand this point he made. We’ve always had to look at the thing on screen we wanted to click on with mouse or touch with finger—even if only for a moment—so I don’t know how it’s different with VP eye tracking. If Nilay meant you have to look at the virtual keyboard, we have to do that with the virtual keyboards on our iPhones and iPads. And of course we could just use a physical keyboard.
Another reviewer said his eyes were tired moving around a lot in the UI, so maybe that’s what Nilay actually meant. But the other reviewer thought it might be just because it’s new and after he gets used to the UI he might move his eyes more calmly/naturally/efficiently.
Long term reviews are really going to be necessary for the VP.
 
Why aren't reviewers putting the virtual keyboard on the table so the fingers feel something solid. Can the VP sense there's a table and stick the keyboard on it?
I don’t think that would solve the problem. For one, it wouldn’t be exact enough (sub-millimeter) to match how precisely your fingers can feel where the solid surface is. Secondly, typing on a solid surface without key travel is uncomfortable and unhealthy in the long run. There have been a lot of proposals for surface-only keyboards over the last decades, but physical key travel is still what works best.
 
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