Apple Vision Pro Testers Share Impressions: 'By Far the Best Headset'

[13astion]

That's not what defines VR. You're looking through a display that reproduces the real world, you're not looking at the real world. Hence it is VR.

I think you might want to do some more reading on what experts actually say about VR, AR, and MR (or XR).

Because your definition is far, far too simplistic and “fundie”-like. You’re making the excessively rigid definition that *only* pass through of the “real” world with display tech using pixels that can be transparent can constitute MR. Sorry, but that would appear to be almost exclusively your opinion…

 

[BaldiMac]

That's just not correct. Not at all. You can mirror the Mac display as a single 4K display. You can also open other vision apps at the same time. That's it. You cannot open Mac apps in vision. That makes all the practical difference in the world. That's the difference between this being an essential developer accessory that erases the need for desktop monitors,

Except nothing he said wasn't correct. He never claimed you can open Mac apps in visionOS.

and being virtually useless for real work

"Real work" is the most ridiculous term in these kind of arguments. If you can do your work on an iPad, it appears you could potentially do your work in visionOS. And that's before new applications are developed that allow us to do some jobs better than a Mac or an iPad.

 

[anselpela]

Except nothing he said wasn't correct. He never claimed you can open Mac apps in visionOS.


"Real work" is the most ridiculous term in these kind of arguments. If you can do your work on an iPad, it appears you could potentially do your work in visionOS. And that's before new applications are developed that allow us to do some jobs better than a Mac or an iPad.

And that describes hardly any registered developer working in the Apple ecosystem.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Apple is pre-solving the problem; same as the iPod did. And the tech will get better and smaller.

iPod didn’t “pre solve” anything. The MP3 player market was white hot and music lovers were chomping at the bit for more capacity and a better interface. iPod solved a pre-existing problem.

 

[Avatar74]

It’s not about seeing what they see, it’s about them wearing it and in effect saying ‘I don’t feel like a dork wearing this and neither should you’. The fact they didn’t means they know they’d look like dorks and memes would be all over the internet.

Everyone will photoshop Craig Federighi, aka Hair Force One, wearing these things... so I don't think that's the issue.

Which pre-recorded presentation have they done (since they went away from live, auditorium keynotes and Special Events) did the ELT (executive leadership team; Tim, Craig, Phil, etc.) walk out with the product in hand or on their person?

All the products tend to be "demoed" in a natural environment in the prerecorded segments, as opposed to being walked onto the virtual stage where no one is there to see it in person.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I think you might want to do some more reading on what experts actually say about VR, AR, and MR (or XR).

Because your definition is far, far too simplistic and “fundie”-like. You’re making the excessively rigid definition that *only* pass through of the “real” would with display tech using pixels that can be transparent can constitute MR. Sorry, but that would appear to be almost exclusively your opinion…

It’s opaque. You’re looking at a screen. It’s displaying the real world mitigated by a couple small screens that encompass your entire field of view. No amount of rationalizing a 1:1 between looking at a screen and looking at reality will work.

 

[williamkey123]

Uh...what? Lol. The thing runs baby iPad apps, with very limited interaction ability. It's nothing compared to a MacBook Pro. It could have been, but its not.

First of all, iPads have pretty powerful apps. It's naïve to call all iPad apps "baby apps." Final Cut Pro runs on iPad.

Second of all, Macs run iPad and iPhone apps as well - that doesn't mean they aren't also capable of running much more powerful apps, which they do. There is going to be a whole separate store for apps designed specifically for Vision Pro.

Third of all, you have no idea what you're talking about with "limited interaction ability." Nobody does. Until the visionOS ships and is used by people, you don't know what the interaction is going to be like.

 

[Avatar74]

And that describes hardly any registered developer working in the Apple ecosystem.

I'm not understanding your comment here. Are you implying that only developers do "real work"?

 

[sunapple]

That's just not correct. Not at all. You can mirror the Mac display as a single 4K display. You can also open other vision apps at the same time. That's it. You cannot open Mac apps in vision. That makes all the practical difference in the world. That's the difference between this being an essential developer accessory that erases the need for desktop monitors, and being virtually useless for real work

The Pro name is certainly a mystery as of now. I understand Mac apps won't just work in visionOS, but how hard would it be to port them for developers? The entire device is relying on developer input, that is the main point of this launch.

 

[sebfrey]

I can see lots of educational and engineering and design use cases. Imagine shopping for homes and the realtor hands you one of these and you can immediately walk through an empty (or cluttered?) home and experience it furnished or altered in many different ways. Imagine the military using it to walk through mission plans. Planning events....

Totally. I am a REALTOR and I think we will be saying bye-bye to home staging in a few years.

 

[Avatar74]

Uh...what? Lol. The thing runs baby iPad apps, with very limited interaction ability. It's nothing compared to a MacBook Pro. It could have been, but its not.

Remind me... what was the name of the conference this event was held at?

Who are the people who go to that conference?

I think it starts with a "d", right? Dev...

 

[BobSc]

That was... some take.

I can absolutely understand people not being interested in Vision Pro, but what I can't understand is why they are full of a fiery hate that they can't spew out fast enough.

Absolutely correct. It's almost unfathomable that there could be some much Apple hate over this product. They haven't even seen it in person or tried it. It's like they live to hate and show it on this forum, which seems to welcome it. I really feel sorry for those who have such a need to express their unwarranted hate over every single aspect of this amazing product.

 

[BaldiMac]

How is a product that runs baby iPad apps for developers? Please tell me. It was fine to use this tagline in the previous weeks. Now that we've seen the product, it doesn't work anymore.

1. It doesn't only run iPad apps.
2. It gives developers are target to create great mixed reality apps for when a consumer version is released.

And that describes hardly any registered developer working in the Apple ecosystem.

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[Avatar74]

Totally. I am a REALTOR and I think we will be saying bye-bye to home staging in a few years.

I think we will be saying bye-bye to realtors as a profession... but more importantly retail. The future of Mixed Reality is in the global retail marketspace. That's $26 trillion worldwide. What's the point of talking to any salesperson if I can see someone wearing a jacket on the street, snap my fingers and buy it with sizing, billing, and shipping information transmitted to the seller in an instant?

That's the future of devices like these.

 

[anselpela]

1. It doesn't only run iPad apps.
2. It gives developers are target to create great mixed reality apps for when a consumer version is released.


What does that have to do with what I said?

I don't think you understand.

It does not run Mac apps, which means it cuts out ALL developers from the Apple ecosystem. If it ran Mac apps, it would have an immediate purpose, and every developer that could afford one would be instantly buying it for the sake of running their work apps in unlimited real estate. But its NOT that. It runs baby content consumption apps. Just like iPad. Even says right in the portal that iPad apps themselves will run on it.

 

[Surf Monkey]

First of all, iPads have pretty powerful apps. It's naïve to call all iPad apps "baby apps." Final Cut Pro runs on iPad.

Second of all, Macs run iPad and iPhone apps as well - that doesn't mean they aren't also capable of running much more powerful apps, which they do. There is going to be a whole separate store for apps designed specifically for Vision Pro.

Third of all, you have no idea what you're talking about with "limited interaction ability." Nobody does. Until the visionOS ships and is used by people, you don't know what the interaction is going to be like.

iPad has some pretty advanced apps… but they aren’t up to laptop level.

 

[anselpela]

Remind me... what was the name of the conference this event was held at?

Who are the people who go to that conference?

I think it starts with a "d", right? Dev...

And? What device do those people use to create everything that discussed at WWDC? The Mac.

 

[anselpela]

The Pro name is certainly a mystery as of now. I understand Mac apps won't just work in visionOS, but how hard would it be to port them for developers? The entire device is relying on developer input, that is the main point of this launch.

We've had 13 years of iPad to answer this question.

 

[13astion]

I know this is mostly a rhetorical question, but why didn’t Tim Cook or any other Apple executive actually wear the device on stage yesterday? They spent 40 minutes talking about it but no one ever put one on.

That's just not correct. Not at all. You can mirror the Mac display as a single 4K display. You can also open other vision apps at the same time. That's it. You cannot open Mac apps in vision. That makes all the practical difference in the world. That's the difference between this being an essential developer accessory that erases the need for desktop monitors, and being virtually useless for real work

mmmm, Apple only showed their apps native on visionOS because…. Oh, I dunno - the whole *point* of WWDC is to get their new tech *in front of* the developers!

You want native “work” apps on the device… how about wait until the 3rd party devs actually have had a chance to work with it?

 

[Surf Monkey]

I think we will be saying bye-bye to realtors as a profession...

…because obscene house prices have excluded most people from buying one.

 

[anselpela]

First of all, iPads have pretty powerful apps. It's naïve to call all iPad apps "baby apps." Final Cut Pro runs on iPad.

Second of all, Macs run iPad and iPhone apps as well - that doesn't mean they aren't also capable of running much more powerful apps, which they do. There is going to be a whole separate store for apps designed specifically for Vision Pro.

Third of all, you have no idea what you're talking about with "limited interaction ability." Nobody does. Until the visionOS ships and is used by people, you don't know what the interaction is going to be like.

Well this just isn't true. You're not being honest about it at all. iPad apps are in fact baby apps. Even the version of Final Cut Pro that was released last month after 13 years of iPad, is no where near what the Mac version is. The iPad is everything you need to know about the potential for vision apps, as it relates to productivity.

 

[Surf Monkey]

mmmm, Apple only showed their apps native on visionOS because…. Oh, I dunno - the whole *point* of WWDC is to get their new tech *in front of* the developers!

You want native “work” apps on the device… how about wait until the 3rd party devs actually have had a chance to work with it?

Apple should have had their native work apps ready to go for this platform at demo. They failed to do that.

 

[NT1440]

One that was heavily limited, to awkward click and scroll. It won't be usable without keyboard and trackpad, but even that only gets you as far as iPad gets you with the same things.

Can you elaborate on that? Hands on explanation says it’s look, click to select and then move along. For short dictation you just look at the search bar and start talking. For longer term typing you’d use a keyboard.

What do you think is missing from the UI? What about it is “awkward” that you’re highlighting compared to the comments of people that have actually demo’d it at this time?

 

[anselpela]

Define “real work” for us

Software development, like the people who this weeks conference is for, like the millions that are registered with Apple. That's real work, defined for you.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Can you elaborate on that? Hands on explanation says it’s look, click to select and then move along. For short dictation you just look at the search bar and start talking. For longer term typing you’d use a keyboard.

What do you think is missing from the UI? What about it is “awkward” that you’re highlighting compared to the comments of people that have actually demo’d it at this time?

I’d love to see someone explain how a person might operate Photoshop or Illustrator on one of these without a keyboard and mouse.