And in a perfect world, that should be how it's always done.
When a resume hit's my desk, the first thing I go to is education and job history.
I don't even look at the name. (All our resumes are normalized for formatting once they hit our system).
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Apple VP of Diversity and Inclusion Denise Young Smith Leaving the Company
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When a resume hit's my desk, the first thing I go to is education and job history.
I don't even look at the name. (All our resumes are normalized for formatting once they hit our system).
I’d say you are a good HR director
Not all organizations and HR directors follow this practice tho
For some diversity is the forefront and everything else is in the background and that’s what I take issue with
Most certainly. Why this insane practice of hiring people off anything but merit is a thing is ridiculous. Hiring based off skin color or gender purposely IS discrimination.
The indoctrination of that nonsense is much easier for school kids. Good for her.
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If Apple really genuinely cared about diversity, they'd stop their employees from being forced to read internal memos from Tim Cook regularly that are his personal opinion and knee jerk adverse reactions to the president's policies on nearly everything he does.
I'm positive there's more than zero employees at Cupertino that stand with the president, despite all those that don't (and remain vocal about it-- and it's likely even encouraged) and this MINORITY probably doesnt necessarily want to hear Tim's take all the time they wanna do the work they were hired to do and getting paid for, and go home. But instead they must remain quiet and put up with it during their time there (or in any of the rest of the Silicon Valley echo chambers) or they are alienated and lambasted
What kinda s*** is that? If you really think about it, it's quite perverse and pushing the boundaries of the employer-employee relationship and trying to stay as apolitical as possible
I'm positive there's more than zero employees at Cupertino that stand with the president, despite all those that don't (and remain vocal about it-- and it's likely even encouraged) and this MINORITY probably doesnt necessarily want to hear Tim's take all the time they wanna do the work they were hired to do and getting paid for, and go home. But instead they must remain quiet and put up with it during their time there (or in any of the rest of the Silicon Valley echo chambers) or they are alienated and lambasted
What kinda s*** is that? If you really think about it, it's quite perverse and pushing the boundaries of the employer-employee relationship and trying to stay as apolitical as possible
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Here's what I follow. We're not past possibly inadvertent and institutional "this works, let's stick with it" quite yet.
There are some places where diversity has flourished and others where it founders in a morass of suspiciion, resentment and ill will towards minorities of any persuasion. As it has become harder to land full time jobs with benefits, the latter situation may have become somewhat more common. Economic stress always brings out the worst in people...
Sure it's easy to stick with "what has worked". But just as that can take a company to ruin in the product development side of things, it can also cost it momentum and even customers on the people side of things.
To me it's good to have someone on board in a company whose job it is to try to help make that clear. That leaves project managers to deal with the tasking and leave the people skills advancement process to professionals whose field that is.
No doubt she was hired because she’s a lesbian.
Not sure which is more hilarious, all of your assumptions to frame your post, or that you feel the need to post several times about an article that has zero effect on your life. Just go hug your picture of the President and all will be ok...
Not sure which is more hilarious, all of your assumptions to frame your post, or that you feel the need to post several times about an article that has zero effect on your life. Just go hug your picture of the President and all will be ok...
This isn’t a counter argument. But much appreciated.
“Zero effect on my life” — how could you
Possibly know that? Very assumptive individual, you are.
Ironically, you’ve proven in a flash that any form of speaking out to people who cant stand the president and insist that you MUST feel that way too, or else... is ineffective, and met with immediate backlash, and likely for a corporation like Apple, it would be a witch hunt of alienation.
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I understand how her new position would be very satisfying and rewarding. So this was never about Apple, but her own need to make the world a better place on a larger scale. Kudos to her.
Lots of not-racist but racist posts here. Sometimes, it’s not the white nationalist folk who need called out, it’s reactions like we see here. It’s like how all the Hollywood folk and politicians are getting called out for behavior they thought was “normal”. Most didn’t outright rape anyone. Randomly grabbing their body isn’t either, but it was to them.
Uh-Oh, doesn't appear to be black, hispanic or asian.
Lesbian is still a possibility, though.
Yes, but there are other negative traits that exist and are prevalent but don’t have or require special workplace czars: Head of Non-misappropriation of Corporate Funds, Director of Mismanagement, Vice President Of Anti-Cronyism.
Why does not being a bigot get to be a special focus until it doesn’t exist? It’s weird and illogical. Appointing people to stop embezzlement, won’t stop embezzlement. Anyone who thinks this will work any better for discrimination is fooling themselves or just paying empty lip service.
Males have way higher suicide rates than women on average and are constantly being attributed as bad people bundled in with the freaks, in light of all the sexual assault and predatory behavior coming out in the news as a result of men. There is a presumption of guilt in the weird climate of 2017 trickling down to nobodies/non-celebrities/non-politicians. Manspreading on the subway in NYC is a Legitimate offense FFS. Not that it’s all cheery for women either, for sure, but men don’t have it made as much as you think just because many will say they do, loudly and repeatedly.
Likewise, white privilege is a relatively false concept. Whites are discriminated against, same with the rest of races. Contrary to popular belief, Whites don’t have Teflon vests, bulletproof to racism. And won’t have things held against me for something people did long ago that I had no say or part in.
I don’t hold Hitler and nazis (real nazis and actually real Hitler, not just nazis that are used to describe anyone we don’t like and/or disagree with, particularly politically) against the Germans either — because why should I? That’s not fair to them either.
Inb4 I get flamed
Likewise, white privilege is a relatively false concept. Whites are discriminated against, same with the rest of races. Contrary to popular belief, Whites don’t have Teflon vests, bulletproof to racism. And won’t have things held against me for something people did long ago that I had no say or part in.
I don’t hold Hitler and nazis (real nazis and actually real Hitler, not just nazis that are used to describe anyone we don’t like and/or disagree with, particularly politically) against the Germans either — because why should I? That’s not fair to them either.
Inb4 I get flamed
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Hey I wasn't a fan of Ice Tea back in the day when he put up that cop killer song and it was marketed to disc jockeys in little black body bags... and I took a fat risk of writing a letter to that effect to the CEO of the corporation I worked for, which managed the music group that came up with that brilliant marketing idea. I said I was ashamed of the company for the first time in my life, that I would never be able to explain to my grandparents how a company I worked for could suggest support of a vigilante type of perceived justice... I walked the letter over there and gave it directly to the guy's personal secretary. I was cautioned by someone a couple levels over me, when it got around what I had done, that it might cost me my job. Heh, did they think I didn't realize that? It didn't, but it could have.
You don't have to stay silent when you disagree with your company's take on anything. They might need your input and just don't know it yet
It's always your choice to speak up if you want to take the consequences. On the other hand if your viewpoint comes from some ideological talking points that are possibly pretty cut and paste to begin with, maybe on the job you manage to keep your distaste for your company's views to yourself and just rant on the internet when you get time. That's always a choice too.
Positions like hers are a band-aid to the discrimination problem, not a cure. Forcing percentages of specific types of people in the work place is not going to get rid of discrimination, but will get some people jobs who may have not gotten jobs otherwise. It will also hurt some people who may be more qualified for a job or promotion in some cases because that is how this bandaid works.
A tourniquet will stop the bleeding and save your life but it may also cause you to lose the limb. Better to prevent the injury in the first place. The injury is racism. People should be able to celebrate their heritage without using it to divide them from people having a different heritage.
I think Morgan Freeman said it best when he said that we aren't going to get rid of racism until we stop talking about it.
I've always been color blind and have taught my kids to be color blind. But its a catch-22 because society is going to teach my kids them that they are different from other kids because of their race and force them to see a difference. Because of that we need to talk about the problems that arise from that and because of that we are never getting to a place where difference in skin color is no different than a difference in eye color.
You've got people on one end of the spectrum who believe that if somebody is not the same race as they are then they are no better than animals and their elimination will only help society (look no further than neo-nazis or KKK). On the end of the spectrum you have people who are full-time victims and take offense to everything and call everything racist to the point where they are bullying people to silence them and rob them of their right to free speech (we see this on college campuses across the country).
When we talk about race, I think if we did it with more love than hate and anger we would have the kind of success that this man has had. He is my hero:
Been hearing a lot about how "diversity makes us stronger". I would ask that we celebrate diversity but remember that "unity makes us stronger". We may be diverse physically, but we need to all be united in common respect and decency.
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You don't have to stay silent when you disagree with your company's take on anything. They might need your input and just don't know it yet
Not everyone is single and relatively speaking, responsibility-less. If you are and you have a backbone, there’s a lot of
Merit in that but ...
Many take jobs they have ZERO desire doing on a personal level, or jobs they enjoy and excel in but with many caveats, because they still have mouths to feed and a family to support.
It’s not Always that easy
You people may be missing the point. Given the strength of the skillset of programming in foreign countries, it's possible her job was to somehow include white straight middle class male Americans.
You mean diversity of appearance? I agree. There aren't enough people with blue and green eyes. Or maybe it is brown eyes. One or two of them are greatly under represented. /sarcasm
Or perhaps it is diversity of ideas? Really, this is the only thing that matters. Diversity of skin color is just out and out racist.
What I want to know is exactly what percent of your "ethnic origin" from a specific group do you need to fit the diversity goal?
Is it enough to have a "hispanic* name"? Where is the cutoff for being Asian*? Or of African descent? etc Where is the cutoff on the percentages? What if it was 6.75% white, 6.75% African-American, 6.75% hispanic or 6.75% Asian? Based on recent history "50% white and 50% African" makes you "African American". But where is the cutoff?
What if someone self-identifies as white? Asian? Hispanic? African? African-American? Carib? Is that allowed?
I was just going through this with one of my kids for pre-school. They asked about "ethnic origin." With 23andMe (or ancestrydna etc) it shows down to the single %s. I may ask the school where the cutoff is.
* Or any other place of origin?
* The stats show that Asians often lose out based purely on statistical performance
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