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Why should you have to hire someone you believe is not qualified. Take it upstairs and fight it.
I shouldn't but if I were to dismiss that person outright I would have a massive discrimination lawsuit on my hands if that person was a woman, person of color, gay, lesbian etc because Affirmative Action sets arbitrary quotas that employers have to meet.
 
People should get jobs based on their skill set and job history, etc

Not their ethnicity, ie something they didn’t have a say in (what heritage they were born into) and which has nothing to do with anything

Forcefully hitting diversity quotas is racist and A delusional progressive agenda

Imo

You should look up the definition of racism and you will see that this has nothing to do with superiority. That word is thrown around so much in the wrong way. There is a difference between superiority and someone being pissed for hundreds of years of actions and results based on someone thinking they are superior.
 
So what if we could turn this off until a certain percentage of turnover happened at a company. Measure diversity before and measure it after. If the numbers have changed a certain amount, research all candidates. If there isn't any objective measure to explain why, fire those responsible immediately. Would that work, probably not, but doing nothing would openly set us back hundreds of years. I say openly because behind the scenes things haven't changed as much as people would like to think they have.
 
Nice. They fire an outspoken African American woman and replace her with a white lesbian. Is this your idea of “diversity,” Apple, or did Timmy just want to score some brownie points with the LBGTQ crowd?
 
Shame she is leaving . One of the old guard that helped build Apple
 
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I knew I shouldn't have read the comments on the story because ultimately I would only be disappointed in my fellow human beings. :(

Try working in tech for a few years, that will only deepen your disappointment.
[doublepost=1510905462][/doublepost]I pack heat at the office, legally concealed of course. It's only a matter of time before I'll need to use it in self defense. In fact, I'm getting fairly good at pissing off the brutal bullies.. Just waiting for them to 'snap'....
 
Let's hope the reason she left was similar why the guy who used to have the same job at twitter...

If you're not familiar with what happened, he left because management told him that while he would get more resources to look for minority engineers, the people he found would be judged based on the same meritocratic standards as everyone else. For him the bar had to be lowered for minorities, as if minorities were somehow inferior to everyone else and couldn't be judged based on the same standards.

The thing about diversity hires and diversity initiatives is that when people don't do them properly, i.e just about all of the time, they tend to be destructive and completely counter-productive. Github used to be very big on it, with management commonly making statements that wouldn't look out of place in the Jim Crow-era south (you know, where a governor's inauguration speech could include lines like "Segregation Today - SEGREGATION TOMORROW - SEGREGATION FOREVER!!") if you reversed the races and an end to senior engineers mentoring junior engineers because of it somehow being racist. However in the end they had to scale back on it after the work environment got so toxic even the minority hires for whom they created that environment in the first place started leaving because of it.
 
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Was she the one that said some odd stuff regarding diversity and then had to issue an apology?

If she was, I’m surprised she didn’t get canned sooner.

Whoever did that didn’t have much social competence.
 
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I wonder if she got forced out. She got in trouble months ago for saying something offensive.

Considering the article says they’ve been looking for a replacement for months, I’d say it’s possible.
 
Indeed. How is discrimination still a thing in 2017?

But, well, it is. And will be for a while. So we need positions like hers.
What about the discrimination of Christians and Jews in the Middle East and Muslim world? Why isn't the tolerant left concerned with this? Or the oppression of women in Muslim countries, including controlling female sexuality and independence through rape games (Taharrush), and garments like the Hijab, Burka and Niqab? Oh, but the "tolerent left" (incl. Tim) praises the Hijab as the new normal, and idolise people like Linda Sarsour.

Want to see real discrimination and intolerance? Take a trip to Africa, The Middle East, Asia, or even Latin-America to a lesser extent. Oh, but we can't criticise people of colour, only white people do bad things - didn't you know? This is Cultural Marxism, and it's the mortal enemy of Western culture and civilisation. Beware!

PS: 90% of USA was white in 1960. In 2030 whites will become a minority in USA. All the while progressives and liberals are constantly riling up minority groups against Western culture and white people. This will end badly.
 
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The position/department seems to have more tasks related to it than just some sort of glorified affirmative action, which seems to be what most of the critical voices here are obsessed with. Much of her skillset is related to teamwork and the development of collaborative spaces that encourage the diverse workers at Apple to actually work together and to their best...I work at a university, for example, which has many talented students from different countries. Some integrate among the general student body and others self-segregate. You can see it at the cafeteria where a group of students from country X all sit together and speak in their own language. Some rarely get outside their comfort zone. I imagine they are doing great with their studies, but missing out on a whole lot of other opportunities to develop and practice useful skills and learn new things and network with people. I guess my thoughts are that Apple is a tremendously large company that serves a tremendously large consumer base composed of all sorts of people. Diversity and inclusion are a vital component to the kind of company Apple is and the economic growth its been capable of. Diversity is not only something that can make such a big company richer given the variety of backgrounds and identities that can inform their business, ideas for their products, coding, and their knowledge of different identities of consumers and relevant marketing, but it's also something that merely is a reality there with many different kinds of people working together and different offices and stores in different countries who must collaborate with the central administration...the inclusion part is key, as my example above illustrates...When we fall into comfortable routines, we may be missing out on opportunities that collaboration offers. If diversity and inclusion as they relate to interpersonal communication and collaborative tasks is a big part of management and engineering training, maybe a position or department like hers may be redundant. But, if not, then it's vital that someone is able to provide input regarding these things from a perspective that values it deeply, as you develop corporate policies and procedures for collaboration or at least training for those who decide on such policies and procedures...then you can listen to or disregard that perspective. I imagine, too, that given all the employing that Apple does, it's vital they have someone to provide training that seeks to avoid any outright violations of civil rights or discrimination in order to protect themselves from legal action.
 
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Most useless job title I’ve ever seen.
I think Angela Ahrendts has the most ridiculous job in Apple and is also a huge $ waste.
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You are absolutely 100% correct. I don’t understand why people can’t grasp this.
Affirmative Action has been going on since 1970s as a IMHO misguided attempt by liberals to rectify past discrimination and has gone way too far to do so.
 
But to play devils advocate is that a bad thing, to want like minded people, on basis of goals of the company and general scope of one’s vision?

For example if I’m a hiring manager for Apple, I want to hire someone who loves ios and is a competent fanboy

Not someone who walks the android line and has had an iPhone once In their life for 2 months

But if I went with the latter that would be technically be a form of diversifying the demographic

At the expense of productivity and inexperience with the platform, potentially

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Do ya follow?

I kindly disagree with the idea of wanting like-minded people in the group. Sure, you want to hire people that are on board with the companies vision and ideals, but you also want people to challenge you on how to get there.

For example, you said a hiring manager at Apple would rather want a "competent fanboy" and "Not someone who walks the android line". I think that would be a terrible choice. The Android guy has experience with a different product, knows the pros/cons of that product, and would challenge Apple to implement the best of those features. He wouldn't be a "yes-man" for the company, but would push back on the status-quo. On the flip side, the "competent fanboy" guy only knows Apple products, so when you want to find someone to push the envelope, that persons been stuck in the walled garden. They will most likely be a yes-man rather than challenge the status quo.

The problem is some managers don't want to hire people that challenge the status-quo, or push back, which is what happens when you hire people with diverse backgrounds. They want the "yes-men" who do as they are told and keep the machine running.
 
Pretty simple, last month she made a big boo boo, she claimed said that people should not only look at the colour off peoples skin for diversity and that a group of white men can be very diverse as well. For example poor white guy from alabama, a rich white Oxford graduate, a white trans man and a disabled white viking may be more diverse than 4 rich black hetrosexual men that graduated Harvard.

For thinking the wrong way she had to apologize for her statement and this is most likely the reason she is gone IMO.
I wasn’t paying attention to any news of this nature. Did she really have to apologize for saying what she said? If so, that’s so misguided of whoever made her apologize. By virtue of logic and reason, this remarkably astute and brave woman is correct. It’s appalling she should have been made to refute logic.

I do think it’s important to have a position like hers to help people get along better. It’s sad that in 2017 we still have rampant sexism and racism in the workplace. Putting aside all the news headlines about sexual harassment and outright workplace related sexual assault against women AND men, personally I’ve heard some real horror stories and lived through a few myself, despite not being particularly gorgeous. So, even if it sounds frivolous, having an officer in charge of diversity is at the very least an important signal of the kind of workplace culture a company hopes to provide for ALL of its employees. This lady’s statement merely signaled she was remarkably open to all people and eminently suited to her job.

Because we don’t elevate everyone to a level playing field by mowing down the players based on illogical and unreasonable assumptions. It’s illogical and unreasonable to assume a group of white males or a group of black women can’t have tremendous diversity of background, skill, and perspectives within their group. It’s illogical and unreasonable to censure someone for acknowledging that. Acknowledging that should in no way preclude any company from attempting to give opportunities to all qualified persons with no prejudice against their race, religion, gender, nationality or orientation. Or favorite sports team. ;)

Apple’s loss is another’s gain. Shame on Apple for not standing behind this woman. She sounds pretty darned cool.
 
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