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Apple VP of Diversity and Inclusion Denise Young Smith Leaving the Company
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LOL. Funniest thing I've read all week. Thank you.
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I agree. Don't assume singletons don't have famliy responsibilities though...
A lot of rational people believe it's a bunch of BS.
Good. This SJW crap is getting out of hand. Take this farce of a position and the idiot who created it with you.
Social justice warriors? We should hope there still are some, down the road.
Flip the shoe to the foot where white Americans are no longer the majority. The point is to make level fields of opportunity, letting outcomes be as they may on performance. All the fields -- education, mentoring, social networking, need to be made more open and welcoming for that to happen. It's not just about what goes on in corporate hiring processes.
Someday the descendants of white Americans will want those level playing fields for their kids. How they'll have a better chace of that is if white Americans now set an example for the future majorities, who will be people of color. We're setting some examples, yes,,,, but not always the examples we can only hope will be used to help make opportunities equal for whites in the future. We can do better, and it will be to everyone's advantage.
A position, and even a small group in HR dedicated to ensure that a degree of diversity exists - to prevent groupthink in hiring - and that provides recommendations and studies on it is not bad. A VP (+ full department) might be a bit too much.
That’s the hypocrisy of the left. We want everyone to have a voice and all voices matter and should be heard (as long as that voice follows along with our point of view). Let’s really review the two sides of the aisle. The right is typically more laissez-faire, less government, less telling you what to do with and in your lives. The right believes more in empowering people, helping them to help themselves. The left on the other hand is about bigger government, more constraints, more control and telling you what you can and can’t do in your lives. And rather than empowering people the left tends towards entitlements and handouts (rather than helpups) which ultimately enslave people to a dependency on those programs rather than any sort of self reliance, all under the guise of being the more helping, caring, and giving side. In truth, conservatives are often more generous, whereas liberals tend to like to spend someone else’s money on charity. It is what it is.
Making level fields of opportunity by artificially elevating one group over another isn't leveling the field. I want the best person for the job, not the one who's there simply to fill a quota or in Tim's case, an agenda.
The left is losing the culture war and their desperation to try to be cool, and cram it forcibly down our throats, shows. It’s why twitter and YouTube and Facebook are battening down the hatches. It’s why Tim chimes in an unprecedented amount of
Times, almost like he thinks he himself runs the country or something
I’m not thrilled with Silicon Valley’s path tbh
Little do they know this continues to push people away. We learned this from the election despite the relentless perfectly aligned colluding industries Also including news and Hollywood repeatedly gaslighting us into thinking Hillarys the best and the only logical solution to the Obama mess. The reality is it was a cover for their depravity, which will not stop being revealed. This is the way things are going to be for the foreseeable future. Sickos will be outted. And im perfectly ok with it. Makes for a better society vs constant smoke and mirrors.
A lot of extremists aren’t at peace with themselves at all and have to proselytize ALL their views to perfectly align with others, or else something is a miss.
Anecdotally- I’ve spent most of my life in a liberal hometown liberal schools and current liberal city, and I can say, without reservation, liberals are on average the most hateful but also adamantly hateful bunch that can’t keep to themselves, that I’ve come across
Their indoctrination failed me big time.
They have no tolerance of diversity of opinion. Funny for people who claim to be most tolerant. I can accept alternating viewpoints, and the reality that that happens, even tho I don’t agree w them but the difference is I don’t wanna silence people. Diversity of opinion is a good thing. Either strengthens your perspective or makes you think your ironclad views aren’t so set in stone and things change.
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Their version of tolerate is more like taller hate. PC is an attempt to take away any voice that doesn’t fall into the boxes they build. The difference is that I can respect their opinion if I don’t agree with it and can have an intelligent conversation with them about issues. They tend to have an inability to receive and discuss with those who disagree with them or have an open honest conversation about real issues. Because they don’t tolerate.
Things very quickly devolve into being called a slew of pre-canned things including but not limited to: a racist, deplorable, a nazi, illiterate, a staunch bible thumper, devout Republican, a bigot, and/or a rapist.
It’s the equivalent of verbally throwing punches, When one does not have the ability to properly articulate.
I fear for where society is headed. Many people are operating on pure emotional utterances as their fuel and the media is stoking the fire of hysteria and divisiveness on new levels. And it’s not a sustainable or healthy perspective to maintain from start to finish of literally every waking day, for some.
The hatred genuinely pains me.
They're two different things. Diversity, depends... Background diversity, yes; racial diversity, no. Inclusion, yes, because if you're excluding anyone based on things that shouldn't matter (e.g. race, politics, gender), you're not getting the best employees possible.
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Do you know what the position is? Diversity for all you know could mean diverse technical experience, which matters when you're building any team.
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I wouldn't put it so extremely, but yeah, I saw a bit of this coming from the professor in a couple of college classes. They ask a rhetorical question only to **** on anyone who disagrees. But again, most were fine.
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Who said anything about elevating a group over another. The challenge is to undo decades on decades of assumptions that aren't even conscious in some cases, assumptions that whilte lmales are best suited for assorted jobs because.... because.... whilte males are mostly who have done those jobs. The challenge is to ensure that a nonwhite person or a female is not ignored because he or she doesn't fit a sort of ingrained mental image of who's a good fit for the slot.
The focus on diversity is raising awareness that there could be unconscious bias in hiring. Don't make such a big negative out of it, it's not like the process is about eliminating participation of white males in the workforce. That's blatant discrimination, and illegal. And.. guess what, it's not happening.
I agree. Just FYI, it seems that some sociology classes in colleges teach against this and even have a term for it, "colorblind politics."
The "affirmative action" policies are not just about raising awareness, but they actually mean that race (or gender, etc) is considered for acceptance. Anyone mentioning elevating one group is referring to that. Apple doesn't do it, at least not openly, nor do I think they do it secretly. But there are plenty of blatant examples of this elsewhere.
I agree with Freeman—Stop talking and just live respectfully.
One of the most diverse periods of my life was high school when we packed our black buddy, our Mexican buddy, and as many of us white kids (including the gay guys) as we could into whatever car was available for a night creating whatever entertainment we could in our 15,000 person West Texas town.
whoever tolerated us was included. we didn’t recruit.
The years? 1970-73.
That’s why the current societal jawboning depresses me.
One of the most diverse periods of my life was high school when we packed our black buddy, our Mexican buddy, and as many of us white kids (including the gay guys) as we could into whatever car was available for a night creating whatever entertainment we could in our 15,000 person West Texas town.
whoever tolerated us was included. we didn’t recruit.
The years? 1970-73.
That’s why the current societal jawboning depresses me.
I'll quote you again: "The point is to make level fields of opportunity...". You're not leveling the field. You're using quotas to fill an imaginary ideal. I don't care about the "White Male" false narrative.
I'll make this as simple as I can:
I am an employer. I have two applications in front of me. I see one person who is vastly more qualified and what I'm looking for in an employee than I do in the other applicant.
Guess who I want to hire for my company?
Now guess who I have to give preferential treatment to in the hiring process because the second person is in a minority group?
How is this fair to either one of them to say nothing of me?
That is why when it is sometimes true or that patterns are seen or something is prevalent one should always preface things with tend to, typically, often, etc. as they are indicative in general or in some cases without making blanket statements that leave no room for individuals. One should also avoid taking extreme instances as examples of a group as extremes are by nature isolated and rare in comparison with the group at large.
Why should you have to hire someone you believe is not qualified. Take it upstairs and fight it.
Pretty simple, last month she made a big boo boo, she claimed said that people should not only look at the colour off peoples skin for diversity and that a group of white men can be very diverse as well. For example poor white guy from alabama, a rich white Oxford graduate, a white trans man and a disabled white viking may be more diverse than 4 rich black hetrosexual men that graduated Harvard.
For thinking the wrong way she had to apologize for her statement and this is most likely the reason she is gone IMO.