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polyesterlester said:
This reminds me of how, in I Heart Huckabees, Jason Schwartzman's character Albert, uses poetry as his activist weapon of choice. If Apple is actually using this to deter potential hackers then, well, it's lame. But I'm still glad that Apple is the kind of company that would do this in the first place (Now if only they'd bring back easter eggs, like that fun one with the lizard and the flag :)).


You're a good poet.
While the poetry was funny, it's not meant as their defense. Their defense is their extensive sw team and legal department. And based on how fast OSx86 project got bitchslapped on both fronts I'd say Apple is working just fine.
 
dejo said:
What contract was that?
Exactly. People don't seem to understand what the EULA is. When you purchased and installed OSX you agree to as part of the EULA to use it only on Macs. Using it on a PC is a breach of contract and you are now liable to be sued by Apple... end of story.
 
If people can't understand why Apple is doing this, then they are retarded. Do you really want Mac OS X Install Disc and Upgrades to have all the anti-piracy serial numbers and online verification that Windows has? Because if they don't stop people from installing illegal copies of Mac OS on PC's they will lose large amounts of money and become nothing but an MP3 Player company.

If Apple loses big in their hardware sales, then we all as Mac users lose. Apple is mainly a Hardware company, always has and always been.

If people bought Mac OS X for the sole purpose of installing it on a PC without buying Mac Hardware, you can bet that the price for the Mac OS would at least double, if not triple. And to boot we'd have to use serial numbers etc... to upgrade or call for support to ensure we're the lone user of the OS... no thank you.
 
How Dare They?

I think everything should be free. Nobody should be able to make any money and then there would be no greed and everyone would be able to eat, be warm and be happy. We could all work at jobs that we like -- and so everyone would be fulfilled and nobody would ever be even a little uncomfortable. Nobody would be poor because everyone would be. And everyone would love each other. And nobody would ever do anything mean like take someone else's ice cream. We would automatically be given new computers every year that would be able to run every kind of O/S. Unix, MS, Linux, OSX, BEOS, ATARI... No more capitalist pigs.

That's what I think.

See 'ya!
 
jumpinjohn said:
I think everything should be free. Nobody should be able to make any money and then there would be no greed and everyone would be able to eat, be warm and be happy. We could all work at jobs that we like -- and so everyone would be fulfilled and nobody would ever be even a little uncomfortable. Nobody would be poor because everyone would be. And everyone would love each other. And nobody would ever do anything mean like take someone else's ice cream. We would automatically be given new computers every year that would be able to run every kind of O/S. Unix, MS, Linux, OSX, BEOS, ATARI... No more capitalist pigs.

That's what I think.

See 'ya!
:p
 
bosrs1 said:
Exactly. People don't seem to understand what the EULA is. When you purchased and installed OSX you agree to as part of the EULA to use it only on Macs. Using it on a PC is a breach of contract and you are now liable to be sued by Apple... end of story.

there is the issue of enforceability as the courts have deemed eulas for other software products to be invalid. also, the os x 10.4 eula (which hasn't been tested in the courts) states "apple-labeled computer", so running it on your ipod or newton is also not allowed.

generik said:
fahlman said:
From the SLA:

5. Termination. This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License. Upon the termination of this License, you shall cease all use of the Apple Software and destroy all copies, full or partial, of the Apple Software.
Sure, terminate it all you want. And as per my contract, refund and interest please? No? You can shove your SLA up your a$$.

the eula states that you must destroy all copies. to help facilitate this, please send them over to me, and i will make sure that such entities are properly destroyed and are no longer a harm to anyone else.
 
jhu said:
there is the issue of enforceability as the courts have deemed eulas for other software products to be invalid. also, the os x 10.4 eula (which hasn't been tested in the courts) states "apple-labeled computer", so running it on your ipod or newton is also not allowed.
The question there is... wtf would you want with it on your iPod? But of course that is neither here nor there.

Apple-Alt-Ctr said:
You said 'Vista' and 'good' in the same sentance. ;)
But but but Vista may be good..... of course Sally Struthers might get skinny again.
 
Seasought said:
If Apple were to turn around and provide some sort of x86 / hacker-friendly / whatever alternative of OS X it would make them look like they were bowing down to a group of hackers/enthusiasts.

Don't talk rubbish*. Microsoft provides Windows as shared source now - did everyone accuse them of giving into a group of software thieves? Sun open sourced its OS (Solaris) - was that Sun giving into hackers and enthusiasts?

The absolute most negatively it might be portrayed as would be Apple responding to customer demand but given SJ's legendary reality deflection field it would most likely be spun as a truely altruistic and philanthropic move, the biggest day in Open Source / Homebrew enthusiasts (delete as applicable) history.

Edit: * Sorry, on re-reading, that comes across as a little harsh.
 
jhu said:
sure, but if you buy a ferrari gearbox and are able to use it in your hyundai, who's to stop you?

But in this analogy you can't buy a Ferrari gearbox, you'd have to take one from a Ferrari.

If you want the Ferrari of computing you're just gonna have to buy a Ferrari (Apple in case we've forgotten what we're talking about!) and not just try to shoe horn a Ferrari gearbox (or engine might be more appropriate) into an old Escourt.

bosrs1 said:
But but but Vista may be good..... of course Sally Struthers might get skinny again.

Maybe. Who's to have believed they could have improved on the name 'Longhorn' but they managed it. :)

windmaomao said:
omg, i hate people use word like idiotic. Come on, what if you want to use gearbox somewhere else if someone stole your Ferrari and leave your gearbox there.
Do you call yourself i***? or you just can't imagine yourself at a situation like that !:cool:

How and why would someone steal a Ferrari and leave the gearbox??!
 
Apple-Alt-Ctr said:
But in this analogy you can't buy a Ferrari gearbox, you'd have to take one from a Ferrari.

If you want the Ferrari of computing you're just gonna have to buy a Ferrari (Apple in case we've forgotten what we're talking about!) and not just try to shoe horn a Ferrari gearbox (or engine might be more appropriate) into an old Escourt.

actually, engine would pertain to the cpu. gearbox, dashboard, steering wheel, and seats would pertain to the os.
 
generik said:
Speak for yourself Winboi :rolleyes:

:D No idea what that means but I thought I'd laugh anyway. Why can't Apple release some new hardware already and stop us all arguing about semantics and car parts!!
 
Apple-Alt-Ctr said:
:D No idea what that means but I thought I'd laugh anyway. Why can't Apple release some new hardware already and stop us all arguing about semantics and car parts!!

Just figured that you didn't use your wonderful integrated spell checker :cool:
 
bosrs1 said:
The question there is... wtf would you want with it on your iPod? But of course that is neither here nor there.

why do people install linux on their xbox? why do people install linux on their ps2? why would I want to wipe my iPod and put linux on it, cause i can. DRM = nothing on linux.
 
jhu said:
actually, engine would pertain to the cpu. gearbox, dashboard, steering wheel, and seats would pertain to the os.

True. But I guess the analogy fails somewhat as the OS is so much more than just the gearbox, dash and steering wheel.

The Mac is a complete system though clearly the OS IS the strongest part of it.
 
MeatBiProduct said:
why do people install linux on their xbox? why do people install linux on their ps2? why would I want to wipe my iPod and put linux on it, cause i can. DRM = nothing on linux.

Sorry, the law says you can't now.
 
jhu said:
no they sell the full os. there is no requirement for having a previous os x installation in order to install a new version of os x (unlike windows).

you don't need a prior copy of windows to install windows either - wtf are you smoking on? by your definition, it would be impossible to install windows unless god created the HD. Ever heard chicken before the egg?
 
generik said:
Sorry, the law says you can't now.

the law also says I can't do 65 mph in a 60 mph zone, guess what - I live on the wild side and do it anyways. Here's to not conforming to every stupid law and rule some person you never met or care about trys enforcing on you. Jesus christ people need to put their halo's away for 5 minutes and grow some cahoonaz.
 
MeatBiProduct said:
you don't need a prior copy of windows to install windows either - wtf are you smoking on? by your definition, it would be impossible to install windows unless god created the HD. Ever heard chicken before the egg?

microsoft sells two basic versions of windows: those that are upgrades and those that aren't. the upgrade does require a prior installation or at least the install disc of a prior windows version. the non-upgrade version does not.
 
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