A lot of that is due to the fact that from ios7....Apple basically wanted iOS to be like Android...strikingly similar.
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A lot of that is due to the fact that from ios7....Apple basically wanted iOS to be like Android...strikingly similar.
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I quite fancy a new mac mini so hopefully....not soon. For my bank balance
You mean sort of like how every PC maker began releasing thin and light laptops after Apple introduced the Air, yet no lawsuits were ever filed? Interesting, huh?
You are right about the look. Everything was already leading up to that basic shape, which is half of what this design trial is about.
You're also right that the main claim to fame for the iPhone was a finger friendly UI. But finger friendly had also been done for years, starting with the UI for the very first smartphone on the planet, the 1993 IBM Simon:
Then there was the 2003 MyOrigio all-touch phone, which besides a nice browser, also had an orientation sensor to flip its display:
In fact, by 2005-6, larger touchscreens were making many devices look similar:
And by mid 2006 it was so clear that a finger friendly UI on a capacitive screen was the near future, that analysts wrote about it:
They even correctly predicted that this would happen in 2007, and would likely be pushed by a device that would get a lot of publicity. (They thought this would come from it being featured in a movie, but the publicity came from the Jobs demo instead!)
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the point is that Samsung is copying the big concepts of the iPhone, but in order to sue, you have to name specific features.
When the iPhone was first announced, did you feel like "oh yeah, I've seen this phone before. Apple totally copied Sony"? probably not.
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You are right. Everything was already leading up to that basic shape, which is half of what this design trial is about.
But finger friendly had also been done for years, starting with the UI for the very first smartphone on the planet, the 1993 IBM Simon:
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Then there was the 2003 MyOrigio all-touch phone, which besides a nice browser, also had an orientation sensor to flip its display:
In fact, by 2005-6, larger touchscreens were making many devices look similar:
And by mid 2006 it was so clear that a finger friendly UI on a capacitive screen was the near future, that analysts wrote about it:
They even correctly predicted that this would happen in 2007, and would likely be pushed by a device that would get a lot of publicity. (They thought this would come from it being featured in a movie, but the publicity came from the Jobs demo instead!)
No point rewriting history, the first time I and many others really heard about smartphones was when the first iPhone and iPod Touch were released. After that everyone slowly went the touch screen only route, where before they always still included keyboards. (Droid 1/2)
You can say "but random phone X was there before", but nobody remembers them very well unless you were really into tech.
I had a Nokia n95 back then. Downloadable Apps. 3g. icons. Rotating screen. ARM processor. Large screen. WiFi. PowerVR graphics. Upgradable memory. Headphone jack
Only thing missing was touch!
I'm 37, and I owned an LG that had the same if not slightly smaller form factor and layout as the original iPhone 2 months before it came out.
It was called the Prada.
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Your post and thought process assumes that the world of Cellular phones and mobile technology exists in a Vacuum. I can assure you, it doesn’t.
You also assume that I fully side with Apple in the point of this tread (the lawsuit) I don’t. I see viewpoints on both sides as being valid. I do feel that some of the design aspects of the early phones are shockingly close to Apples first iPhone. Why not mimic the other Korean company that was shipping first, LG?
Apple has been working with Graphical user interfaces since before 1984, after a questionable interaction with Xerox from which Jobs got the idea. As hardware improved on computers, the OSs running on them gained more features over time. The same has happened on Smartphones, including ones running iOS. As hardware and batteries have advanced, Apple has brought over more of the features from OS X to improve the devices, including (but not limited to);
- Cut copy paste
- Multitasking
- Configurable wallpapers
- Widgets
- Base applications
- Bluetooth connectivity
Moving further away from the vacuum, many of the features on both platforms are actually licensed from 3rd party entities, with some inventions on our devices having come from some random sources that have nothing to do with cell phones. Take a trip into your device’s about page, to see just who invented many of the features on phones and mobile OSs.
On the hardware side, you are ignoring the normal evolution of technology, And how that side of the market works. Apple isn’t copying OLED screens from Samsung, they are buying panels from them. Bezels have been disappearing on Laptops, monitors, TVs, digital picture frames, etc for decades now. We are quickly moving to a world of science fiction where we simply have a surface where the technology itself is invisiable.
As an aside
The S-Pen you brought up, is an Active Pen who’s technology was invented by, and licensed to Samsung by Wacom. It is Wacom (and a few other patent holders) that deserve credit for Apple Pencil, not Samsung. In fact, Samsung has invested in Wacom to further it’s ties to some of their technologies.
lol The smartphone world did not begin the moment you and your buddies saw your first one!
By the time the iPhone was shown off, 30% of the over 100 million smartphones being sold that year already had touchscreens. Jobs of course avoided showing any such phones.
When the iPhone was demoed, our corporate handheld group was underwhelmed. We saw nothing new, as we'd been making finger friendly internal apps for over a decade prior (and I'd done it elsewhere since 1991). Including flick scrolling, which had been shown off in the 90s as well.
But yes, you're right that most consumers had never seen such things and were very impressed.
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Apple, just stop.
You’ve literally crushed Samsung where it counts - in the market. iPhone is the dominant smartphone and Samsung a very, very distant 2nd. Why continue fighting in court and rubbing it in?
You’ve literally crushed Samsung where it counts - in the market. iPhone is the dominant smartphone and Samsung a very, very distant 2nd. Why continue fighting in court and rubbing it in?
I'm 37, and I owned an LG that had the same if not slightly smaller form factor and layout as the original iPhone 2 months before it came out.
It was called the Prada.
Also? This:
No.
You are right about the look. Everything was already leading up to that basic shape, which is half of what this design trial is about.
You're also right that the main claim to fame for the iPhone was a finger friendly UI. But finger friendly had also been done for years, starting with the UI for the very first smartphone on the planet, the 1993 IBM Simon:
View attachment 727511
Then there was the 2003 MyOrigio all-touch phone, which besides a nice browser, also had an orientation sensor to flip its display:
In fact, by 2005-6, larger touchscreens were making many devices look similar:
And by mid 2006 it was so clear that a finger friendly UI on a capacitive screen was the near future, that analysts wrote about it:
They even correctly predicted that this would happen in 2007, and would likely be pushed by a device that would get a lot of publicity. (They thought this would come from it being featured in a movie, but the publicity came from the Jobs demo instead!)
Nobody cares for your carefully crafted revisionist history.
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I'm 37, and I owned an LG that had the same if not slightly smaller form factor and layout as the original iPhone 2 months before it came out.
It was called the Prada.
Also? This:
LG Prada was complete garbage compared to the iPhone. They shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence together.
I'm 37, and I owned an LG that had the same if not slightly smaller form factor and layout as the original iPhone 2 months before it came out.
It was called the Prada.
Also? This:
Fake news. Try again. Just admit it Samsung copied Apple almost verbatim. I you google the box and adapter it looks exactly like the box and adapter Apple had at the time. lol. But by all means, Samsung sheep, keep believing your fake history.
https://www.theverge.com/2011/04/20/talk-picture-samsung-f700
lol The smartphone world did not begin the moment you and your buddies saw your first one!
By the time the iPhone was shown off, 20% of the over 100 million smartphones being sold that year already had touchscreens. Jobs of course avoided showing any such phones.
When the iPhone was demoed, our corporate handheld group was underwhelmed. We saw nothing new, as we'd been making finger friendly internal apps for over a decade prior (and I'd done it elsewhere since 1991). Including flick scrolling, which had been shown off in the 90s as well.
But yes, you're right that most consumers had never seen such things and were very impressed.
You basically contradicted yourself. When my buddies and I saw it IS when most of the public got interested. Which is exactly what i said. Just like with overclocking in the PC world, it didn’t start with Sandy Bridge or even Core 2 Duos, but most of the public didn’t start really overclocking until Sandy Bridge. Why? Because it was simplified a lot.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter that YOU and your buddies WERENT impressed, because clearly the general public was.
Wrong!! Go and look at how many phones had oblong faces with round edges before the iPhone!! It’s a ludicrous patent they should never have been given and it doesn’t stand up in courts outside the US.
Apple were directly trying to kill of Samsung because they are the competition, that’s it.
Both sides are stupid now still dragging this on and the lawyers must be soooo happy. They almost have a kid for life with this one case!
You said that smartphones all had keyboards. That was not correct, but is pretty typical for someone whose knowledge of smartphones started with Jobs' biased demo.
That's what I said.
OTOH, serious smartphone users of the time were not as impressed, wondering where basics such as copy/paste, GPS, videocam, MMS, and especially third party apps were. It would take another year for the iPhone to catch up to such basics.
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But this thread is about the design patent case, and that's where prior art will be invaluable.
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To imply the public weren’t interested in smartphones till the iPhone is to basically ignore all other markets globally who had them on mass for several years before the iPhone.
OK, let me get this right. You admit to not being aware of a whole market of devices that had existed for years, prior to the iPhone, and that did more than the original iPhone did. Evidence in this forum shows that many touch devices had evolved from those early devices, that didn't have physical keyboards. My first Pocket PC Phone which I think I had in 2001 had no keyboard. It had a stylus, but you could certainly use it without the stylus, and over time these devices developed primarily touch interfaces that expanded button sizes to make that easier. But because you didn't know about them, then we are to ignore that and just agree with Apple since of course it isn't real until Apple does it. Amazing logic.
Where exactly are you seeing that Apple is "literally crushed" Samsung in the smartphone market. Samsung has nearly double the market share of Apple. You have a different definition of "literally crushed" than I do!
Samsung is actually many companies. Apple are suing one particular Samsung company that makes phones and sells them.
Samsung SDI make and sell components such as screens etc.
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But they did not look like that as much as Samsung did nor did any of them have the design patents Apple do regarding the look and feel of the device.