Apple vs Samsung

[bmac4]

So don't use TW then.....Use a different launcher like Nova. Problem solved.....don't need those features...disable them so they are not using any resources on the phone. problem solved....now can you do that on an iPhone? can you use a different launcher if you choose to do so? What if you want different features than the current iPhone launcher has? Can you just install another one? See how that works in reverse too? Don't like TW....don't use it...install another one......don't like the one on the iphone? You stuck...Apple decided they know what is best for you so you are stuck with what they chose for you......

Don't like the features or options on an Android phone? Disable them in system settings. problem solved......Can you do that in IOS?

So I had the note 2. I downloaded Nova launcher on the phone. Still could had menus that I thought were ugly. It can change the way your home screens and app drawer look, but it still can change the look of the whole OS. I understand what you are trying to say, and I am glad you find that downloading a new launcher helps you. When I buy a phone I want to phone I like right out of the box. The iPhone does that for me. My Nexus 5 and stock android does that.

Enjoy your Samsung, but trying to defend your purchase by bashing the completion is getting old. Both sides do it, but really if this is all this is coming down to then this will never end.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Been using TW since the S3 released. Currently using the S4. With the exception of minor hiccups every one in awhile, TW has been extremely solid for me on a daily basis. Have this experience whether rooted or not. I love the extras Samsung throws in, but I doubt anyone uses them all. I'm skipping the S5 and waiting for the Note 4 this time around.

 

[mib1800]

What facts did I not get right? Did you not read the last part of my post? I clearly said we can debate android vs iOS which will never get us anywhere. Preference is the answer to that debate every time. The argument set here though is TW and iOS. Which is my point. Samsung throws the everything and the kitchen sink at the new phone. Whether it works properly or not. Have two examples from the S5. I will say them again. The fingerprint scanner, and the heart rate monitor. Never work well, but yet both were added to the S5. Apple on the other hand waits to add features until they are ready. Like the TouchID. Sure it's not perfect, but it works most of the time.

Maybe people like half baked features to say they have them I really don't care. What I care is people trying to throw features in peoples face like they mean something. Half the time they don't work, or the user never even bothers using them. Features do not mean crap unless they are useful. Android and iOS have plenty. TW does not. For the ones that work. There are the other ten that don't. That is why the ones that work get so over shadowed by all the ones that don't that get all the marketing. Maybe Samsung has a couple of good features that iOS doesn't, but nobody knows much about them because all Samsung markets is the fingerprint scanner and heart rate monitor. Neither are very good. That is what I am arguing. Samsung and iOS. Not android and iOS. I like android, but not Samsung and TW. Why don't you get your facts straight?

Tell me what is not useful in TW? Every feature has a use to someone. You may lament that the smart-stay/rotation is not useful but I find it useful. You may say the USB-host feature is crap because Itunes does it better but I can bet many would disagree with you. It just sounds to me that you have an inferiority complex when dealing with something more advanced than your beloved idevices.

TW (and Samsung) basically has Android at its core with a additional customization thrown in. Maybe you should get your facts right first before talking.

btw: Did TouchID work well when it was launched? I read all over the place the TOuchID was crap and not working and it took many months before it was fixed. It is just childish and petty to blow your horn before Samsung has time to iron out the kinks.

 

[bmac4]

Tell me what is not useful in TW? Every feature has a use to someone. You may lament that the smart-stay/rotation is not useful but I find it useful. You may say the USB-host feature is crap because Itunes does it better but I can bet many would disagree with you. It just sounds to me that you have an inferiority complex when dealing with something more advanced than your beloved idevices.



TW (and Samsung) basically has Android at its core with a additional customization thrown in. Maybe you should get your facts right first before talking.

Well let's see since you seem to think you are so much smarter than me. How is that finger print scanner working out for you? Is that heart rate monitor working like a charm? You may find a use for some of them, but the problem with a lot of them is being half baked. Samsung should have just waited until there was better technology, or the had a better implantation of the finger printer scanner before they decided to put in on the S5. You can't be honest with yourself, and say that it is a working feature. This section of the forum is filled with people saying they just turned it off because it was crap. I have my facts straight. Samsung has an issue with trying too many things at once before they are ready.

Just to let you know I don't prefer android or iOS. I like both, and use both. Right now I have the iPhone 5s (with a finger print scanner that does work), and a Nexus 5. Love them both, but I am just enjoying my iPhone 5s right now. How about you get your facts together before you talk next time. Know who you are talking to before you just throw out assumption.

 

[mib1800]

edit my previous post with response to your criticisms of the scanners on S5.

 

[bmac4]

btw: Did TouchID work well when it was launched? I read all over the place the TOuchID was crap and not working and it took many months before it was fixed. It is just childish and petty to blow your horn before Samsung has time to iron out the kinks.

This is really your argument for the scanner? Yes TouchID had some issues at launch, but it was not unusable. Also nothing Samsung can do is going to fix bad implantation of the scanner. The method of which the finger print is taken is the problem. It is very, very difficult to swipe down the home button the same way each time on the S5. The accuracy may be fine tuned a bit, but having to swipe down a button has way to many possible mistakes. The speed, and placement almost have to be perfect for it to work. Just a half thought out feature by Samsung. It looked good, but don't kid yourself. This is not something Samsung can fix with a software update.

 

[mib1800]

This is really your argument for the scanner? Yes TouchID had some issues at launch, but it was not unusable. Also nothing Samsung can do is going to fix bad implantation of the scanner. The method of which the finger print is taken is the problem. It is very, very difficult to swipe down the home button the same way each time on the S5. The accuracy may be fine tuned a bit, but having to swipe down a button has way to many possible mistakes. The speed, and placement almost have to be perfect for it to work. Just a half thought out feature by Samsung. It looked good, but don't kid yourself. This is not something Samsung can fix with a software update.

We swipe the screen to unlock. What is so crazy about swiping the button to unlock. I saw video that if you train the scanner using a one-handed thumb swipe, it will also work. You just have to swipe in the same manner as you trained it. I saw many video demonstrating the unlock with no issue.

btw: Arent you overzealous and jumping the gun that the swipe down scanner is a piece of crap and won't work? It may not be as easy as TouchID but then TouchID isnt without its flaw either.

 

[bmac4]

We swipe the screen to unlock. What is so crazy about swiping the button to unlock. I saw video that if you train the scanner using a one-handed thumb swipe, it will also work. You just have to swipe in the same manner as you trained it. I saw many video demonstrating the unlock with no issue.



btw: Arent you overzealous and jumping the gun that the swipe down scanner is a piece of crap and won't work? It may not be as easy as TouchID but then TouchID isnt without its flaw either.

All I am trying to say is that because the Samsung scanner requires you to swipe down over the button it can be very hard to replicate that over, and over in the same way. That is all I am saying. The method Samsung picked to use does not seem to be the best choice.

I am not here to argue whether Apple did a better job with their scanner or Samsung. My points were from the OP, and others that want to talk about all these features Samsung has, and Apple lacks. I don't see them as things that Apple lacks because as I have pointed out. A lot of these features don't even work that well. When pointing out features you have over another phone. You better be prepared to back those up. Samsung does not do that so well in my eyes. Like I have said. I am not defending Apple in any way. They are arrogant just the same.

 

[mib1800]

All I am trying to say is that because the Samsung scanner requires you to swipe down over the button it can be very hard to replicate that over, and over in the same way. That is all I am saying. The method Samsung picked to use does not seem to be the best choice.

I am not here to argue whether Apple did a better job with their scanner or Samsung. My points were from the OP, and others that want to talk about all these features Samsung has, and Apple lacks. I don't see them as things that Apple lacks because as I have pointed out. A lot of these features don't even work that well. When pointing out features you have over another phone. You better be prepared to back those up. Samsung does not do that so well in my eyes. Like I have said. I am not defending Apple in any way. They are arrogant just the same.

Fair enough. But I just want to add that with any tech there are always limitations associated with it. Yeah, TouchID maybe easier but it also takes up more space and thus adding weight and size to phone. A trade-off isnt it? Iphone uses supposedly more premium aluminium but then the flip side it scratches easily. Lightning port allows plugin either side but then it is proprietary and expensive.

What I don't really agree with you is you blow horn on Iphone advantages but ignore the minuses of those tech but when you call Samsung implementations crap and chose to be ignorant of the trade-offs. You must think every designers/engineers are idiots in Samsung and those in Apple are all geniuses (who invented the greatest ideas of centralized settings or crippled email )

 

[jamezr]

So I had the note 2. I downloaded Nova launcher on the phone. Still could had menus that I thought were ugly. It can change the way your home screens and app drawer look, but it still can change the look of the whole OS. I understand what you are trying to say, and I am glad you find that downloading a new launcher helps you. When I buy a phone I want to phone I like right out of the box. The iPhone does that for me. My Nexus 5 and stock android does that.

Enjoy your Samsung, but trying to defend your purchase by bashing the completion is getting old. Both sides do it, but really if this is all this is coming down to then this will never end.

Thanks bmac4...but there is not hate coming from me....I don't have to validate my choices by putting other products down.......like you were doing.....I am not the one here ranting and hating on TW...you were....

 

[The Game 161]

Sad this thread has become like it always does.

Apple fan slagging off touchwiz etc. Obvious it isn't amazing but that's why using launchers are great. You can make your OS how YOU want it. Not have it how they want you to have it.

That's why it's one of many reasons Android is better for me. IOS got very stale and boring for me and very restrictive. Like it did for others but many like it and what apple brings. And good for them.

Not everybody will use all the Samsung features but there aren't many I personally don't use. I don't use multi window much on my note 3 but do on my 12.2

 

[bmac4]

Fair enough. But I just want to add that with any tech there are always limitations associated with it. Yeah, TouchID maybe easier but it also takes up more space and thus adding weight and size to phone. A trade-off isnt it? Iphone uses supposedly more premium aluminium but then the flip side it scratches easily. Lightning port allows plugin either side but then it is proprietary and expensive.

What I don't really agree with you is you blow horn on Iphone advantages but ignore the minuses of those tech but when you call Samsung implementations crap and chose to be ignorant of the trade-offs. You must think every designers/engineers are idiots in Samsung and those in Apple are all geniuses (who invented the greatest ideas of centralized settings or crippled email )

The reasons I was pointing out the disadvantages of Samsung was because the thread. It was started to bash Apple, and make a point that the features more important than anything Apple has. I am just saying some of these features are nothing to brag about.

Now had this been a thread talking about how great Apple is, and how bad android as a whole is. Then I would gladly jump on Apple. If you want things I don't like here you go. Speakers are pretty crappy, notification center is almost pointless, Siri stills needs a lot of work, and I would not mind other keyboard options. The iPhone has it's flaws too.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think this thread was started much different than the direction you are coming from.

 

[bmac4]

Thanks bmac4...but there is not hate coming from me....I don't have to validate my choices by putting other products down.......like you were doing.....I am not the one here ranting and hating on TW...you were....

Well if I remember correctly I was not even quoting you from the beginning, but you choose to quote me. If you would like to go back to the beginning of this thread, and look for yourself at the Apple bashing and hate. Then you would see I am not the only one. I also recall your first response was about how I had no idea what I was talking about because I was saying TW was android. In turn you did not have a clue what you were taking about, but it seemed at that point you were defending android not TW. When you realized it about TW suddenly you jumped on that.

This thread was started to bash Apple and it's lack of features. I choose to defend a product I use. I am not saying Samsung is all bad, but choose to point out weakness. You even said yourself you can use a launcher if you don't like TW. If someone had been bashing another android phone by saying Samsung is so much better. I would have done the same thing.

If you don't like the bashing and hate why don't you start talking to the OP, or any of the other ten post about how great Samsung is, and how bad Apple is. Oh wait well that would not help your argument now would it? Seriously man don't act as if I am the only one, and I have done something terrible.

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Sad this thread has become like it always does.

Apple fan slagging off touchwiz etc. Obvious it isn't amazing but that's why using launchers are great. You can make your OS how YOU want it. Not have it how they want you to have it.

That's why it's one of many reasons Android is better for me. IOS got very stale and boring for me and very restrictive. Like it did for others but many like it and what apple brings. And good for them.

Not everybody will use all the Samsung features but there aren't many I personally don't use. I don't use multi window much on my note 3 but do on my 12.2

How about you "slagging off" Apple because you don't like not being able to change it? Why is it that this thread was started to talk about how great all the features are, and how Apple does not have them and that is some kind of bad thing? But then when people try to defend that it's how bad they are for defending it. It's only ok if you are defending Samsung.

 

[mib1800]

The reasons I was pointing out the disadvantages of Samsung was because the thread. It was started to bash Apple, and make a point that the features more important than anything Apple has. I am just saying some of these features are nothing to brag about.

Now had this been a thread talking about how great Apple is, and how bad android as a whole is. Then I would gladly jump on Apple. If you want things I don't like here you go. Speakers are pretty crappy, notification center is almost pointless, Siri stills needs a lot of work, and I would not mind other keyboard options. The iPhone has it's flaws too.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think this thread was started much different than the direction you are coming from.

The thing is when someone (not necessarily you) defends the iPhone by dismissing features that the competition has but iPhone doesn't, always gives the impression of a desperate petty and sore-loser like attempt to win an argument.

 

[bmac4]

The thing is when someone (not necessarily you) defends the iPhone by dismissing features that the competition has but iPhone doesn't, always gives the impression of a desperate petty and sore-loser like attempt to win an argument.

But is the same not true about Samsung fans? This whole thread was build around the argument that Samsung is better because they have more features. I am merely arguing that features don't automatically make the Samsung better. Which it seems most people on this thread believe that.

 

[SpyderBite]

always found it hilarious that people rip Samsung for including too many features on their phone. Don't like it? Just turn it off.

Show my mother how to do this with each feature in every app without drinking heavily and I'll give you a cookie for your opinion.

 

[roadbloc]

Be sure apple won't release most of those gimmicks even in 2020 ....

Larger screen, drop down notifications, live wallpapers, multitasking panes, control center, minimalist flat look were all gimmicks once upon a time. Until Apple copied them that is.

 

[mib1800]

But is the same not true about Samsung fans? This whole thread was build around the argument that Samsung is better because they have more features. I am merely arguing that features don't automatically make the Samsung better. Which it seems most people on this thread believe that.

Not really the same. At face value the more you have the better. That is the natural logic. You have more money means you can buy more. This is a fact you cannot dispute.

What you can debate on is the implications of having more (say money) leads to all kind of sins. But your argument has to be very compelling to really hold water. Using vague and weak statements like "I don't need them", "Apple can do better", "samsung is crap", "nobody wants those features", "simple is better","it doesn't work" just don't cut it.

The onus is on the iPhone fans to show why more is not better. Samsung fans just need to state the facts. From what I seen in this forum most of the counter points brought out by ifans are just weak. Well too bad for ifans as they are arguing from a weaker position and sometimes no matter what there are some points ifans can't win. Isn't it better just to concede those points instead of persisting desperately?

 

[bmac4]

Apple vs Samsung

Not really the same. At face value the more you have the better. That is the natural logic. You have more money means you can buy more. This is a fact you cannot dispute.

What you can debate on is the implications of having more (say money) leads to all kind of sins. But your argument has to be very compelling to really hold water. Using vague and weak statements like "I don't need them", "Apple can do better", "samsung is crap", "nobody wants those features", "simple is better","it doesn't work" just don't cut it.

The onus is on the iPhone fans to show why more is not better. Samsung fans just need to state the facts. From what I seen in this forum most of the counter points brought out by ifans are just weak. Well too bad for ifans as they are arguing from a weaker position and sometimes no matter what there are some points ifans can't win. Isn't it better just to concede those points instead of persisting desperately?

Well I laid out two features that both have great arguments for why they mean nothing. Finger print scanner has bad implantation, and the heart rate monitor is only half useful. Most people are saying they are not even bothering with it.

My favorite is screen size. Only an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. I for one am pretty happy with the iPhone 5s screen. The S4, and S5 are too big. Again this can only be an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. To me it's a disadvantage because I don't like something tat large.

I have clearly laid out several features that either are mostly useless, or don't work very well. Now I also added something most Samsung fans yell about all the time. I could continue, but until you see that these are valid points there is no reason to continue. If all you can build an argument around is more is better. There is no point any more. It's a poor argument that has been used way too much by Samsung fans. More is only better when the "more" works and is useful. I have backed my side up, but I have yet to see anyone really give a good argument for what features are actually that great that any other android or iOS device should use.

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Larger screen, drop down notifications, live wallpapers, multitasking panes, control center, minimalist flat look were all gimmicks once upon a time. Until Apple copied them that is.

I don't remember Samsung being the first with any of those. I believe the title of this thread is "Samsung vs Apple". Not android vs Apple.

 

[mib1800]

Well I laid out two features that both have great arguments for why they mean nothing. Finger print scanner has bad implantation, and the heart rate monitor is only half useful. Most people are saying they are not even bothering with it.

My favorite is screen size. Only an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. I for one am pretty happy with the iPhone 5s screen. The S4, and S5 are too big. Again this can only be an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. To me it's a disadvantage because I don't like something tat large.

I have clearly laid out several features that either are mostly useless, or don't work very well. Now I also added something most Samsung fans yell about all the time. I could continue, but until you see that these are valid points there is no reason to continue. If all you can build an argument around is more is better. There is no point any more. It's a poor argument that has been used way too much by Samsung fans. More is only better when the "more" works and is useful. I have backed my side up, but I have yet to see anyone really give a good argument for what features are actually that great that any other android or iOS device should

This is what I am saying. You make it sound like the samsung finger scanner is worthless (0 marks) and the one on iPhone gets full marks. How about you say touch id is a bad implementation because it never work 100% of the time.

There is no heart rate monitor in iPhone so how are you to compare? Has anyone put a heart rate monitor in a phone that has a much better outcome than samsung.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Well I laid out two features that both have great arguments for why they mean nothing. Finger print scanner has bad implantation, and the heart rate monitor is only half useful. Most people are saying they are not even bothering with it.

My favorite is screen size. Only an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. I for one am pretty happy with the iPhone 5s screen. The S4, and S5 are too big. Again this can only be an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. To me it's a disadvantage because I don't like something tat large.

I have clearly laid out several features that either are mostly useless, or don't work very well. Now I also added something most Samsung fans yell about all the time. I could continue, but until you see that these are valid points there is no reason to continue. If all you can build an argument around is more is better. There is no point any more. It's a poor argument that has been used way too much by Samsung fans. More is only better when the "more" works and is useful. I have backed my side up, but I have yet to see anyone really give a good argument for what features are actually that great that any other android or iOS device should use.

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I don't remember Samsung being the first with any of those. I believe the title of this thread is "Samsung vs Apple". Not android vs Apple.

Multi window, pen window, palm swipe to capture, The S pen and all of its related features, S-Health, Ability to use the phone with gloves, ability to silence a call ringing by placing the phone face down, Amoled display, S view cover.

 

[The Game 161]

Well if I remember correctly I was not even quoting you from the beginning, but you choose to quote me. If you would like to go back to the beginning of this thread, and look for yourself at the Apple bashing and hate. Then you would see I am not the only one. I also recall your first response was about how I had no idea what I was talking about because I was saying TW was android. In turn you did not have a clue what you were taking about, but it seemed at that point you were defending android not TW. When you realized it about TW suddenly you jumped on that.

This thread was started to bash Apple and it's lack of features. I choose to defend a product I use. I am not saying Samsung is all bad, but choose to point out weakness. You even said yourself you can use a launcher if you don't like TW. If someone had been bashing another android phone by saying Samsung is so much better. I would have done the same thing.

If you don't like the bashing and hate why don't you start talking to the OP, or any of the other ten post about how great Samsung is, and how bad Apple is. Oh wait well that would not help your argument now would it? Seriously man don't act as if I am the only one, and I have done something terrible.

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How about you "slagging off" Apple because you don't like not being able to change it? Why is it that this thread was started to talk about how great all the features are, and how Apple does not have them and that is some kind of bad thing? But then when people try to defend that it's how bad they are for defending it. It's only ok if you are defending Samsung.

Where was I slagging off apple? I said of was too restrictive for me with not enough options. Have I said anywhere apple aren't great with every device they bring out? No never said that

Samsung have the complete package for my tech needs. Apple fails badly in my key areas right now. Doesn't mean they aren't great for others.

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Multi window, pen window, palm swipe to capture, The S pen and all of its related features, S-Health, Ability to use the phone with gloves, ability to silence a call ringing by placing the phone face down, Amoled display, S view cover.

And about the fingerprint scanner

Samsung have just brought out an update for it. Like Apple did when theirs wasn't perfect.

 

[bmac4]

This is what I am saying. You make it sound like the samsung finger scanner is worthless (0 marks) and the one on iPhone gets full marks. How about you say touch id is a bad implementation because it never work 100% of the time.

There is no heart rate monitor in iPhone so how are you to compare? Has anyone put a heart rate monitor in a phone that has a much better outcome than samsung.

You are missing the point all together. Whether anyone has tried the heart rate monitor before or not it does not matter. My point is that is does not work that well, and most smartphone makers like HTC, Apple, And Motorola don't put things on their phones until they are ready. You also fail to see I am not just talking about Apple I am talking about android too. The biggest criticism of Samsung is putting a ton of features into one phone, and see what works. If it does not work on well they just won't use it next time. It is a valid complaint because this is exactly what Samsung does. Most people won't a phone with features that work the majority of the time, or make using a phone a better experience. Most of the features Samsung throws at phone are just gimmicks that don't make the phone easier or better to use (heart rate monitor, and finger print scanner). Neither add much to the S5, and the finger print scanner bring more frustration than anything. I did not see one review praising either of these two features. Most said not to even bother with either. This is my point. More is not always better. Having something to say you have it to put on a spec sheet is stupid, but it appears that is what Samsung is going. It seems to be working for all the Samsung fans.

I am not arguing that TouchID is just so much better. In fact the last 3 post I have not even talked about TouchID. I am not comparing the two. I am saying Samsung's finger print scanner does not work well at all. Most people of have seen comment on about it. Say they are not even using it anymore. If you want to compare the two this will be a losing battle for you for sure. Ask anyone that has used both, and they will tell you TouchID is miles ahead of Samsung's. Go look at some reviews. It's all there.

 

[roadbloc]

Well I laid out two features that both have great arguments for why they mean nothing. Finger print scanner has bad implantation, and the heart rate monitor is only half useful. Most people are saying they are not even bothering with it.

My favorite is screen size. Only an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. I for one am pretty happy with the iPhone 5s screen. The S4, and S5 are too big. Again this can only be an advantage if you prefer a larger screen. To me it's a disadvantage because I don't like something tat large.

I have clearly laid out several features that either are mostly useless, or don't work very well. Now I also added something most Samsung fans yell about all the time. I could continue, but until you see that these are valid points there is no reason to continue. If all you can build an argument around is more is better. There is no point any more. It's a poor argument that has been used way too much by Samsung fans. More is only better when the "more" works and is useful. I have backed my side up, but I have yet to see anyone really give a good argument for what features are actually that great that any other android or iOS device should use.

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I don't remember Samsung being the first with any of those. I believe the title of this thread is "Samsung vs Apple". Not android vs Apple.

My apologies. I thought that Samsung phones ran Android. Oh wait, they do.

 

[bmac4]

My apologies. I thought that Samsung phones ran Android. Oh wait, they do.

Did you read the title of the thread? Samsung vs Apple. It has nothing to do with what android had first. We are talking about the features Samsung has and no one else.