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Regarding $30 4K content: Without exception, I will NEVER pay $30 for a 4K title (even on Blu-ray). I have over 300 iTunes movies in my collection, and with rare exception I have always paid $14.99 or less (often $9.99, $7.99 or $4.99). The movie studios have to record their content in 4K or better anyway. The "cost footprint" for providing 4K vs 1080P content in iTunes is limited to Apple's storage and bandwidth costs. That's it. I can understand the studios wanting to charge more for a "new product" -- but this isn't a new product. It's a movie. The quality may be a little better, but 4k is where the whole planet is headed anyway. They just know streaming is largely replacing Blu-ray, and they want to keep their insane-margin revenue stream intact.

Regarding Blu-ray vs iTunes streaming: I have a few dozen Blu-ray titles, but even if they were the same price I just wouldn't prefer them over iTunes for a number of reasons. A big one is convenience: I can buy a movie from anywhere and, within a few seconds, be watching it on any of my devices from anywhere (as long as there's bandwidth). Another big one is that Blu-ray cost: I think it's crazy to literally pay double the price of a 1080P movie I can get on iTunes that gets beautifully up-scaled to 4k by my television. Another one is quality: with few exceptions I have preferred the iTunes versions of my Blu-ray titles because the Blu-ray tend to be overly-sharpened and overly-contrasty. I've seen black scenes with what looked like snow (noise) in the picture on Blu-ray disks that looked perfect in iTunes.

Regarding Apple TV and its pricing: ATV4 may not be perfect (nothing ever is), but it is a fantastic device and I think the price point is well-deserved. I look at it this way: I have over a dozen "smart" media devices in our home, from the televisions themselves to the Blu-ray players to the X-box to Chromecast to a TiVo Bolt with a 6-tuner cable card subscription. Do you know what gets used 90% of the time by my kids, 80% of the time by my wife and 75% of the time by me? Apple TV. ATV4 even wins out over the X-Box for gaming just because it's so easy and hassle-free. And the most important thing: The Apple TV just works. Every time. There's nothing more infuriating than sitting down with a pizza for movie night and having a damn Blu-ray skipping, or the Bolt unable to access video on demand, or the Netflix app crashing continuously even though it runs fine on every other iOS device including Apple TV. The simple fact that ATV gets the most usage in our house says a LOT. If Apple TV could take in a cable signal, it'd be the only device we'd need (and that requirement is evaporating as more content providers start to stream).

Regarding 1080P vs 4k Quality: We have 2016 and 2017 4k HDR TVs, and they are stunning compared to the lone 1080P TV we still have. Brightness, contrast, dynamic range, saturation and gamut are all better -- and, of course, the pixel count and pitch between pixels is so fine that everything looks great. But between 4k content and 1080P content upscaled to 4k, there is far less difference. Even when we have a 4k stream available, we often don't even bother switching to it vs watching it upscaled from ATV. Unless you're really looking for it, you just don't really notice enough of a difference. That in itself is justification for not accepting a $30 price point for a 4K movie. I'm not going to pay double for a quality difference few people would notice.
 
After binge-watching 3 seasons of Game of Thrones for $20/month, $20/25/30 a digital copy had better be a damn good movie. Increasing the pixel density doesn't make up for the lackluster quality of recent Hollywood films.
 
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No thanks!!! I'm still gonna stick with SD for a while... until net neutrality (or whatever similar) helps make my internet speed 1Gbps by default standard... then I'll start using HD, not 4K. I'll probably never begin using 4K because my eyes cannot tell the difference between HD and 4K... so why pay extra for something that you don't get?
 
I'm reminded of the price premium for 3D movies in the cinema. Which effectively killed it.
I don't really care if it's 720p, 1080p, 4k or 3D.
If the film isn't drawing me in so much, that I forget the medium I watching it on, it was a waste of money & time anyway.
 
The debt of this country has nothing to do with prices of computers or any electronics for that matter. For every outrageous high priced item there is an extremely cheap item that you can use as an alternative. So people’s personal debt in many cases are their own fault. Buying things they can’t afford or don’t need.

and who are you to tell people how to
I wonder how many of you guys posting in this thread:

1. Have 4K TV
2. Have 4K UHD Bluray player
3. Ever seen 4K movie from UHD disk
4. Ever seen 4K movie streamed from Netflix or other sources
5. Ever seen 4K broadcasting from satellite

Yes, I can see the difference while Netfilx is "ramping up" from 480 to 2160 when you start watching any of their 4K content. I somehow do not see the huge difference in quality between 4K UHD BR and normal 1080p Bluray while watching disks that normally would cost here around 35$ (both versions included in a package as mentioned in some of the posts above).

For me 20$ (or 20€ here) is a real alternative if I can store the file that is equal to 25-30 Mb/s streaming and see it as many times as I want later.

exactly! for some reason every thread related to this dumb thing devolves into a LOT of people who don't even have 4K TVs whining about 4K as if people are forcing them to buy it. I have a high-end TV (LG Oled), 4K player, etc and I CAN see the difference in most things the only question for me to answer for myself is whether the uptick in quality is worth it. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I do want all my digital content to have some cheap upgrade path. One of the things I loved about vudu was you could convert your physical media for $1 (if you did more than 10 at a time) and in many cases upgrade your SD version to HDX for $2.
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Nope. You're just reasonable. $20-30 for a movie is ridiculous. Looks like pirating it'll remain for me then :D

Can't afford what you want, so you'll just steal it. What an awesome person you are. Here's a novel idea - You aren't ENTITLED to get whatever you want, whenever you want.
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the movie industry just does not get it....
I can ride an Uber or a Lyft in San Francisco cheaper that I can park my car.
I am not going to pay $20.00 let alone $30.00
I'll what something else on Netflix...


What does your comment have to do with ANYTHING? I can have a $1 hamburger from McDonalds, cheaper than I can fly to san francisco. I'm not going to pay $20 for a movie!
 
Digital content is the same price as physical, yet has no manufacturing or transport costs, nor chance of overstocking that need clearing at a loss, and has negligible storage costs in comparison. The customer gets a worse deal as well with fractured viewing options for all owned content, lower quality, and no resale options. Digital content is rarely at a price I will pay (although I have bought some when the price was right). I think the same is true for many. Prices need to be lower.
The emphasized portion IS why some digital content can get away with not having any discounts.... Store shelf spaces, and those in warehouses are at a premium. They're much more incentivized to move that inventory to reclaim that lost space. That's why physical discs will go on sale, whereas their digital counterparts remain the same price.

2 other cases are:
1) I'm told Nintendo DS game cartridges have gone on deep discounts, but digital only downloads are still their original prices
2) I purchase games on SD card for the Tapwave Zodiac (Palm OS gaming PDA). Deep discounts there, but the sites that hosted the digital DLs were still full price.
 
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Film studios are greedy. They over-value their content, which leads to piracy. They would rather get nothing over something. For those who will disagree and say that making movies is a risky business...yes, some movies lose money, others make hundreds of millions. It more than averages out. They are just plain greedy. Look at the prices of older movies. They want way too much for a digital copy of a movie that you know nobody is buying. Why not ask just a couple dollars for them and people would buy them to build their collections. Something is better than nothing.

TBF, there are some cases where there's a risk of devaluing your own products. The main one is Apple themselves. If they knock $50 to $100 off their new iPhones, there's a pretty good chance that they'll get all that much more sales. However, I don't know if the extra sales in units would compensate for that, and if they DO do this, then for the next iPhone release, they won't be able to revert to last gen's prices, or even raise it from last gen's without significant backlash!
 
"However, many Hollywood studios it has talked with are pushing back on that price point and are looking to charge customers a premium for the new 4K content: $25 to $30 for a 4K movie in iTunes."

Greedy buggers...

Why would anyone pay for a movie when things like torrent and VPN exist?

I don't even pay for iTunes content now,, so i think the future for me is pretty clear.
 
I think digital should be half the cost. $10 for a 4K movie I would pay for! I have a Plex server and getting movies/tv shows will always find its way online or in other ways. If content was lower $10 for a 4K movie and $0.99-$5 on older movies people would pay! A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PAY! Even games are like this! Digital Copy $59.99 hard copy $59.99. Doesn't make sense!!!
 
and who are you to tell people how to


exactly! for some reason every thread related to this dumb thing devolves into a LOT of people who don't even have 4K TVs whining about 4K as if people are forcing them to buy it. I have a high-end TV (LG Oled), 4K player, etc and I CAN see the difference in most things the only question for me to answer for myself is whether the uptick in quality is worth it. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I do want all my digital content to have some cheap upgrade path. One of the things I loved about vudu was you could convert your physical media for $1 (if you did more than 10 at a time) and in many cases upgrade your SD version to HDX for $2.
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Can't afford what you want, so you'll just steal it. What an awesome person you are. Here's a novel idea - You aren't ENTITLED to get whatever you want, whenever you want.
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What does your comment have to do with ANYTHING? I can have a $1 hamburger from McDonalds, cheaper than I can fly to san francisco. I'm not going to pay $20 for a movie!

I haven’t told anyone how to do anything., but here you are telling people they aren’t entitled to get whatever they want. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.
 
So over the years I've amassed over 600 movies. Wonder if they will have an "upgrade" option for my 1080p movies. I would like to have 4k copies of some of the better ones... but I sure as hell ain't buying them twice! 1080p looks pretty damn good at 8ft away.
 
What I'd like to know is what digital sales are actually like. Are there any numbers? And I don't think you can count code redemptions.
 
I'm so cheap that even $20 sounds like a lot to me.

Gotta say...with so much great content out there I'm okay with waiting until it's on TV for free and yep, I just turned into my parents.

Yeah, it is a lot. That $20 adds up fast. And Apple is right - I’d think long and hard before spending even more then that.

And here I foolishly thought that by ditching all my physical discs for digital cloud versions I would finally stop having to buy yet another copy of the same movie to keep up. I bet I bought six versions of Terminator 2 before swearing it all off.

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So over the years I've amassed over 600 movies. Wonder if they will have an "upgrade" option for my 1080p movies. I would like to have 4k copies of some of the better ones... but I sure as hell ain't buying them twice! 1080p looks pretty damn good at 8ft away.

Hell, lack thereof might dissuade me into getting more movies.

I'm not spending $30 on a 4K movie that looks fine as is at 1080.
 
I am not a movie person, so paying $20-30 per a digital sounds ridiculous to me. Heck, paying $10 still sounds to me like a rip off.
 
I am not a movie person, so paying $20-30 per a digital sounds ridiculous to me. Heck, paying $10 still sounds to me like a rip off.
I'm a movie person and it sounds ridiculous to me. I'm so much a movie person I built a dedicated 4K theater with 16 channels of sound. That being said, most movies aren't worth $20 to me. Once in a while a really good movie comes along and when it does, I buy it. Then again, I now live in a country where the movies come months after and since I'm remote, I have very limited data and bandwidth, so this isn't for me.

I find it very difficult to purchase almost anything from Apple these days.
[doublepost=1504061689][/doublepost]Studio's obviously want people to pirate movies because $25 is going to push people to look for alternatives.
 
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Can't afford what you want, so you'll just steal it. What an awesome person you are. Here's a novel idea - You aren't ENTITLED to get whatever you want, whenever you want.
Oh give me a break with your faux morality bull ****. The movie industry is a racket and everyone knows it. Music used to be pirated like crazy because no one wanted to pay $1.29 for every song they wanted, or be forced to buy a $15 album. So you know what that industry did? They woke up and switched to streaming. Piracy dropped by a ridiculous amount because now there was an AFFORDABLE and easy way to legitimately do what they had wrongly been doing up until that point.

When the movie industry does something similar, I'll stop pirating their stuff. In the meantime, I'm not going to help line the pockets of big studios and distributors, especially by paying $30 for 90 minutes of screen time...
 
This is partly why 3D content failed. Let's see... I can get the HD version for $4 on streaming, $18 to own on Blu-ray, or $35 for 3D... hmmmm...
Let's do the same for 4K and then claim there's simply no consumer interest in having options.
 
Oh you poor thing having to pay $1.29 for a song you can listen to on repeat everyday for the rest of your life.

What it comes down to is your sense of entitlement. You think you're entitled to someone else's hard work and you'll steal it because it's not at the price you want to pay. Shows what type of person you are. You don't take the high road and boycott it, you prove their work IS worth owning by stealing it. I hope you get caught and owe millions.


Oh give me a break with your faux morality bull ****. The movie industry is a racket and everyone knows it. Music used to be pirated like crazy because no one wanted to pay $1.29 for every song they wanted, or be forced to buy a $15 album. So you know what that industry did? They woke up and switched to streaming. Piracy dropped by a ridiculous amount because now there was an AFFORDABLE and easy way to legitimately do what they had wrongly been doing up until that point.

When the movie industry does something similar, I'll stop pirating their stuff. In the meantime, I'm not going to help line the pockets of big studios and distributors, especially by paying $30 for 90 minutes of screen time...
 
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