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It took me 24 hours to stop laughing enough to post on here! I pity those who are conned in to paying to 'own' an intangible, brief, often sub-par experience. Then they sell you the same thing again and again in different formats! You are part of a machine that is transferring your often modest incomes into the pockets of the super rich. To defend it, I suppose, is part of your illusion.
OK. I know people who had their favourit albums first on casette, then on CD, now they buy DSD files with the same music. Just to hear the "better taste" of the song. It can easily apply to movies if those movies bring them good (positive) emotions.
 
Those opting to steal something can see $10, $5, $2, $1, a quarter, a dime, a nickel and a penny as INFINITELY more than they have to pay by stealing. There is no right price for a thief beyond free.

You are absolutely incorrect about this. Before the days of Spotify/Apple Music I never bought songs a la carte. It made no sense because of the amount of songs I would listen to or want on the fly. I just downloaded them. But when the price for unlimited streaming hit $9.99, or $4.99 with deals, it no longer became worth my time to search around for the best download copy. I could have the song I wanted no matter where I was, anytime I felt like hearing it. The price was worth it and now I subscribe.

With movies, there's absolutely no way in Hell I would even think about paying today's prices. I would need to spend $10,000+ on movies. No one in their right mind is going to do this. If a company came around that could do Spotify for movies (I don't count Netflix in this really, because they have a shrinking selection of films and are now focused on making new Orange is the new Black episodes), I would subscribe. Maybe $14.99 a month would be fair for this. That would make the work of finding a good quality copy, cataloging them, etc. no longer worth it to me.
 
Yeah, but what's the price threshold for people who are going to (and capable of) do this? I've been in tech for a _long_ time, and I've seen it again-and-again: once someone gets access to free, even $5 seems to much. Will piracy really be notably curtailed with $10 4K releases vs. $20? Maybe at $5 vs. $25 it takes a big decline?

I think Netflix and Spotify change the field a lot. I hardly know of anyone who is still torrenting music. Way too much effort if you can get it for 5€ a month.
I do feel like going to the movies is overpriced already. But the way it seems like it might be cheaper to buy a beer, popcorn and a ticket at a theater rather than watching something legally at home
 
The emphasized portion IS why some digital content can get away with not having any discounts.... Store shelf spaces, and those in warehouses are at a premium. They're much more incentivized to move that inventory to reclaim that lost space. That's why physical discs will go on sale, whereas their digital counterparts remain the same price.

2 other cases are:
1) I'm told Nintendo DS game cartridges have gone on deep discounts, but digital only downloads are still their original prices
2) I purchase games on SD card for the Tapwave Zodiac (Palm OS gaming PDA). Deep discounts there, but the sites that hosted the digital DLs were still full price.


Computer games on the digital platform Steam go on sale every other week.
 
You are absolutely incorrect about this. Before the days of Spotify/Apple Music I never bought songs a la carte. It made no sense because of the amount of songs I would listen to or want on the fly. I just downloaded them. But when the price for unlimited streaming hit $9.99, or $4.99 with deals, it no longer became worth my time to search around for the best download copy. I could have the song I wanted no matter where I was, anytime I felt like hearing it. The price was worth it and now I subscribe.

With movies, there's absolutely no way in Hell I would even think about paying today's prices. I would need to spend $10,000+ on movies. No one in their right mind is going to do this. If a company came around that could do Spotify for movies (I don't count Netflix in this really, because they have a shrinking selection of films and are now focused on making new Orange is the new Black episodes), I would subscribe. Maybe $14.99 a month would be fair for this. That would make the work of finding a good quality copy, cataloging them, etc. no longer worth it to me.

Wow, I'd call that a conditional thief. Basically, "hit MY acceptable price or I'll just steal it."

People robustly buy movies for more than $20 and $30 now. They have for years. Perhaps "no one" amounts to just you and your friends but there are plenty of movie sales at >$20.

Furthermore, if we want to give ourselves the power to decide fair pricing, I don't think about $1000 for the next iPhone is fair. I think it should be- oh say- $100. Since I can't see Apple pricing their product at what I consider fair, perhaps I should just go steal the iPhone too?

See how that works? Just because a person can more easily steal music or a movie, doesn't make it a lessor theft. There are lots of people to be paid with the money made by selling iPhones. And there are lots of people to be paid with the money made by selling movies. One group of people is no more deserving of getting their price than another. If you can't value something at the price asked, don't buy it. But stealing it isn't accomplishing anything positive for everyone involved beyond you.

I hope however you make your living is not in an industry where it's as easy to steal what you produce. If you happen to be in that industry and eventually your job is lost to such thievery, I hope you completely understand that the thieves just decided that your output was not fairly priced... and stole it rather than paying for it.
 
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I wouldn't mind paying the $25-30 for a good quality 4k movie, but judging by how badly Apple over-compresses the 2k movies they'll probably over-compress the 4k ones below 10gig.

Have you heard of h.265?
 
This is probably a wild dream, but I hope that if some of the movies I have already bought in iTunes come out in 4K options, it would be amazing if iTunes gave you an option to upgrade from the HD version you had already purchased.

Like I said, it's a wild dream.
 
Have you heard of h.265?

Yep, I did, 3 years ago when the spec came out.

Now, do you believe Apple's 1-2gig h.265 files have comparable quality to a 100 gig UHD blu ray at 4k? Seriously?

And have you heard of dolby digital 5.1 and 7.1? The sound files alone are a heck of a lot bigger than Apple's entire video file.
 
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And what do you know? Spotifys business model is completely unsustainable which is why they've yet to make even $1 in profit and would have gone out of business this year if they didn't get another round of funding.

And Netflix? How's that working out with all the access to other people's content? Notice their dropping that more to add their own content.


You are absolutely incorrect about this. Before the days of Spotify/Apple Music I never bought songs a la carte. It made no sense because of the amount of songs I would listen to or want on the fly. I just downloaded them. But when the price for unlimited streaming hit $9.99, or $4.99 with deals, it no longer became worth my time to search around for the best download copy. I could have the song I wanted no matter where I was, anytime I felt like hearing it. The price was worth it and now I subscribe.

With movies, there's absolutely no way in Hell I would even think about paying today's prices. I would need to spend $10,000+ on movies. No one in their right mind is going to do this. If a company came around that could do Spotify for movies (I don't count Netflix in this really, because they have a shrinking selection of films and are now focused on making new Orange is the new Black episodes), I would subscribe. Maybe $14.99 a month would be fair for this. That would make the work of finding a good quality copy, cataloging them, etc. no longer worth it to me.
 
Was not aware they don't scratch..do have few Blue Ray disks, but honestly can't be bothered to ever use them. Streaming through Netflix and some movies I bought on iTunes is what I want and quality is quite good for me. I honestly can't go back to physical discs (having to find the disc, loading it to the player, switching to players channel and all that crap) Stream or won a digital copy works great for me.
It’s complex for me. I don’t mind changing discs, there’s something to browsing through a physical library and putting a disc in that reminds me of records in my childhood. But yeah Netflix covers most stuff for me too. My process is if I know I’m going to really like a film I’ll skip the cinema release and just get it on Blu-ray (can’t stand it when people talk during films, heh), or if I do get dragged to the cinema and I really love the film then I’ll get it on Blu-ray too. But that’s only like 4 or 5 films a year at this point.

Now that PLEX has cloud support it’s just become THE media service for me. I love being able to access anything from my huge library of films and TV shows anywhere in the world on any device (so long that it has plex at least!). and personally I think that’s what Apple need to be competing against, not just selling films and storing them online, but to also host existing libraries much like they do with their iTunes cloud/match service.
 
So Apple is fighting to give us better prices yet we will have people here complaining about their hardware prices. Give them a break, they make wonderful unique devices, that have first class tech support and receive years of free updates. Their products usually last longer and work better than competitors. So just give it a rest.

Besides, it is not like the RAM upgrades or drive upgrade from Dell are SO MUCH BETTER.
 
Computer games on the digital platform Steam go on sale every other week.
I don't believe that's an apples to apples comparison. Steam does NOT offer any of their games in physical media (they sell Steam boxes, and their own controllers). Games in digital format is all they have. AFAIK, different business model, where they want to drive traffic to their portal?


It’s complex for me. I don’t mind changing discs, there’s something to browsing through a physical library and putting a disc in that reminds me of records in my childhood. But yeah Netflix covers most stuff for me too. My process is if I know I’m going to really like a film I’ll skip the cinema release and just get it on Blu-ray (can’t stand it when people talk during films, heh), or if I do get dragged to the cinema and I really love the film then I’ll get it on Blu-ray too. But that’s only like 4 or 5 films a year at this point.

Now that PLEX has cloud support it’s just become THE media service for me. I love being able to access anything from my huge library of films and TV shows anywhere in the world on any device (so long that it has plex at least!). and personally I think that’s what Apple need to be competing against, not just selling films and storing them online, but to also host existing libraries much like they do with their iTunes cloud/match service.
The one strike against some discs vs. the likes of Netflix is for the latter, you load up the movie and it starts. For the former, you have to sit through up to 10 minutes of FBI warnings and movie/TV show previews.
 
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UHD discs start at $13 on Amazon.

I never bought media from iTunes and I never will.
 
Oh you poor thing having to pay $1.29 for a song you can listen to on repeat everyday for the rest of your life.

What it comes down to is your sense of entitlement. You think you're entitled to someone else's hard work and you'll steal it because it's not at the price you want to pay. Shows what type of person you are. You don't take the high road and boycott it, you prove their work IS worth owning by stealing it. I hope you get caught and owe millions.
I guess I feel entitled ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Haha “get caught”. Perhaps in a world with no such thing as VPNs and proxy servers :rolleyes:
 
The chances are when we die, other people aren't interested in getting other peoples films on DVD/Blu Ray. Seriously, most people care about memories, travels etc. I wouldn't be interested in getting someones old DVDs or video tapes :) - they'd go in the bin!

I would find it a bit creepy. Not as creepy as using old clothes when someone passes away.
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I hate blu-ray. I would prefer to get it off iTunes and not have to deal with the extra hassles and my time to rip of blu-ray myself.

I agree. I wish the Anime I watch was on ANY form of digital distribution. Discs are too much of a hassle.
 
I don't believe that's an apples to apples comparison. Steam does NOT offer any of their games in physical media (they sell Steam boxes, and their own controllers). Games in digital format is all they have. AFAIK, different business model, where they want to drive traffic to their portal?



The one strike against some discs vs. the likes of Netflix is for the latter, you load up the movie and it starts. For the former, you have to sit through up to 10 minutes of FBI warnings and movie/TV show previews.
Yup. Hate that part of it but at least the rips you can make won’t have them. I’ve disabled the Blu-ray player “app” from being able to connect to the internet, because some discs load up new, streaming content on them. I really hope Netflix never sell advertising space before your content starts up. I know there are TV firmware’s that show adverts so there must be a lot of ad money involved.
 
Only on MacRumors can you read comments on any article about AppleTV, for years, about how Apple has failed because they didn't offer a 4K AppleTV last time. Now that it appears that they are going to actually sell an AppleTV 4K, all the comments are about how people won't pay for or don't care about 4k content.

Only on MacRumors.

I like that the Apple TV has the ability to play 4K content if we desire it. The last Apple TV model 'felt' gimped since it was left out. Also having options are good for everyone. Apple TV++

Of course, to sell this device, you need 4K content available. Can Apple sell this content for the premium price of $30? Amazon is selling 4K blue ray for around $25 for new releases it seems. Its important to get their digital pricing right.
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I hate blu-ray. I would prefer to get it off iTunes and not have to deal with the extra hassles and my time to rip of blu-ray myself.

I am with you here. I have over 300 movies on iTunes and I will never go back to physical disks.
 
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I would find it a bit creepy. Not as creepy as using old clothes when someone passes away.
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I agree. I wish the Anime I watch was on ANY form of digital distribution. Discs are too much of a hassle.

Have you taken a look at VRV? better than crunchyroll imo
 
Oh give me a break with your faux morality bull ****. The movie industry is a racket and everyone knows it. Music used to be pirated like crazy because no one wanted to pay $1.29 for every song they wanted, or be forced to buy a $15 album. So you know what that industry did? They woke up and switched to streaming. Piracy dropped by a ridiculous amount because now there was an AFFORDABLE and easy way to legitimately do what they had wrongly been doing up until that point.

When the movie industry does something similar, I'll stop pirating their stuff. In the meantime, I'm not going to help line the pockets of big studios and distributors, especially by paying $30 for 90 minutes of screen time...

There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin. It's not up to you to determine what the right price is. The market dictates that. And it certainly doesn’t give you the right to steal it because you think the price is too high.
 
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So you posted a link to a 4 year old comment? Wow.
[doublepost=1504102704][/doublepost]I guess many people here are just really old and feel they need to "own" the disc.

As usual, with discs, if you lose them, get robbed, fire, flood, etc. its gone. You are not getting it back.
If I lose my iPhone my movies are still with Apple. Forever.

For Blu-rays, I have to find the movie on my shelf. Open the case. Insert the disc. Hope my Blu-ray player firmware is up to date so it even works. Press play. Wait for all the (some unstoppable) trailers to load. Want to finish in the bedroom? Repeat several steps and find where I left off.

For ATV or any other streaming device I can digitally search, find, click, play. No trailers. No garbage.

I'm always amazed how many people thing blu-rays are "superior" when so many films are not yet available on the format, or out of print, or "limited special editions" for $35 through some ****** no-name studio that the major players have licensed there films to because they can't even sell them. etc.

Does everyone realize Blu-ray has had YoY losses? What about retailers size for them shrinking? What about lesser catalog titles?

I know, I know, better sound and picture!!!! But really, few people care, especially the consumers who watch movies via streaming.

I have so many damn discs that are worth nothing. I was such a fool. I'm waiting for the day when I say screw it and dump them.

And how useful will that Blu Ray be in 40/80+ years? It might be "nice" to get some DVDs and Blu Rays from people who passed away, but they will not last forever. I do not know why people think that they will. A Blu Ray player in 2090 will be CRAZY expensive!
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It has nothing to do with age. ;)

I did post a link to a 4 year old comment, but only because there are relevant replies within the current year, the current month even. I wouldn't expect everyone to read that far down, though.

For me, I have no problem with owning the right to download or stream digital content when I want to, so long as when I buy it, at any future point in time, I will be able to exercise that right to access that same content. We aren't completely there with digital content "ownership". That is the reason many feel the need to "own" a copy they feel they can control better than the risks of losing the ability to download or stream content they purchased.

Um, you still have access to it when studios pulls the content. I still have one episode from Human Target Season 2 where you can't even get DVDs for it! It is no longer in the iTunes Store but I still have it in my list.

Same with Amazon. I bought a few more episodes of Human Target Season 2. I can still watch them. The ones I did not buy show up as not available.

Maybe it is unique to a studio or something.

Deadpool was pulled from Steam some time ago. My friend was still able to download it and play it since he purchased it when it was available.
 
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