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Yet the AIO market is no where as large as the rest of the desktop market, let alone laptop markets. I still think Apple has to aim low.

I would not doubt a new entry 20 inch model as low as 799 using nearly the same config as today. They really need to penetrate the under 1k market in the desktop area (minis don't count).

I would hope the top 24 doesn't eclipse 1999.

All in all, I would very much prefer a new Mac Pro lite. Something without the screen but using a smaller enclosure than the current one and relying on consumer grade memory and drives. With the right setup Apple can take a chunk out of the boutique market where gamers reside, let alone geeks

apple's use of DDR3 also drives up prices. i know it's faster, but i'll take more cheaper DDR2 anyday over less of the more expensive DDR3
 
This news about the new iMacs comes at a tricky time. Our iMac (in my sig) died late last week. Yesterday the Apple service provider came to our home and was unable to fix the iMac. So he called the Apple technicians and they said that they will send us a brand new iMac in the postal mail. They could not finalize the details by telephone, because their ordering system at Apple was down yesterday.... so the order could not be placed.

We were supposed to hear back from Apple today, but they didn't call us yet.

Maybe this is just a sign of the update to come. Shall I just wait, or shall I call Apple back on the telephone to finalize the details of the replacement?

I would definately not push it... if they've committed to you getting a replacement (hopefully in writing, but they're usually trustworthy), you'll get one. If you push too hard, they may find one now. Let it sit for a week, and see where it goes.

THey replaced my 2006 white iMac with a brand-new aliminum one this spring (under Applecare), and the specs were almost double what I had previously. If you can wait for one more generation, all the better.

MadCow.
 
I would definately not push it... if they've committed to you getting a replacement (hopefully in writing, but they're usually trustworthy), you'll get one. If you push too hard, they may find one now. Let it sit for a week, and see where it goes.

THey replaced my 2006 white iMac with a brand-new aliminum one this spring (under Applecare), and the specs were almost double what I had previously. If you can wait for one more generation, all the better.

MadCow.

That's exactly what I was thinking too. Thank you for confirming my feeling here. I appreciate it.
 
so glad to see mini updating as i will be buying one in the near future:p
discontinue low-end...huh, not a big problem, as long as they have some replacements(possibly with higher performance)
arhhh, but still struggling with whether to get mini or imac
can't wait, apple!!!!
 
Am I the only one who doesn't care about Blu-ray?

I would like a spec bump on the mini, to a quad core processor, and maybe a little better GPU.

I'm with you. And I believe that Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo, NetFlix and others are with us too.

And I know I'll hear people saying that it's great to archive data on. Yes it is, but in 5 years when there are no Blu-Ray drives available to read the disc how useful will it be.

If you're concerned about data then look at Drobo.
 
I'm with you. And I believe that Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo, NetFlix and others are with us too.

And I know I'll hear people saying that it's great to archive data on. Yes it is, but in 5 years when there are no Blu-Ray drives available to read the disc how useful will it be.

If you're concerned about data then look at Drobo.

I don't want to get into a big debate about this but the wishful thinking that BD has 5 years of life left to it is laughable.

Netflix CEO recently said that Blu-Ray was just as important as their online distribution work.

Additionally, until you are getting the full quality of a 50GB 1080P Blu-Ray movie via download and have the rights to archive that download Blu-Ray will enjoy market leadership over downloads.
 
I could see a Core 2 Quad going as it would be cheap and easy for Apple. Beyound that I don't expect much more than tweaks. I just think this month Apple will be focused on iMac.

Dave

...but not that interesting.

Nehalem is the new kid in town - it's a much better chip. Core 2 is old tech.
 
No Blu Ray

From the time we see one of these low inventory/no inventory messages what is the average time to an Apple announmcement of new products or upgrades?


I do not think Apple will go Blue Ray either as it would be against their overall video strategy. There are external drives for those who must have it.

The mac-mini needs a speed, mmeory and hard drive capacity upgrade. These are great products for first mac userers that have monitors and keyboards from Windows.

They are also a great alternative and offer a lot more capability than the Apple TV with the proper software. (I just do not understand why Apple will not allow an external USB HD on the Apple TV).
 
My guess is minor processor and hard disk bumps for the MINI.

-Basic Mini gets 2.1 Ghz, 2GB Ram and 256Mb Vram standard.
The optional processor upgrade will be 2.33 Ghz.

-Basic Mini goes from 120 Gb hard drive to 160 Gb.

This is my realistic bet. Don´t be too optimistic with quad cores or blue-rays because you will be disapointed.
 
You are talking about the company who had a record profit in the first quarter of 2009 during this recession. $1.6 billion in profit and over $10 billion in revenue...yeah they'll do just fine this holiday season.
These are past performances, and they did that with an iMac, MacBook Pro, and Mac Pro that were very competitive performance wise compared to the rest of the industry.

Apple will not maintain its performance with the iMac using Core 2 Duo processors unless it drops the price substantially across the board. I can see the desire to hit a lower price point, but they can't just ignore performance and expect to maintain their sales figures.

I could see them doing something like this: (essentially drop the price across the board, and introduce a new high end model)

$999 20" iMac 2.66 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB Ram, 9400M
$1299 24" iMac 2.66 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, 9400M
$1599 24" iMac 2.93 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, new video card
$1999 24" iMac Xeon L3426 1.83 Ghz, 8GB Ram, better new video card

It should be noted that the Xeon processor is 1/2 the price of the current 3.06 GHz processor.
 
It seems to me that Apple would be reluctant to update the processors on the iMac to quad core prior to doing so with their MBP line, as they seem to view that line as the product leader for them (it certainly makes up the bulk of their sales).

I hope I'm wrong though, I hope Apple does something that genuinely surprises us pessimists.
 
You should be hoping for an i7 mobile based iMac. The chance of a Xeon iMac showing up are exactly 0%.

The chip generates double the heat of current iMac processors, uses more power, requires a larger chassis, etc.

The i7 mobile makes 100X more sense for the iMac (and for the Mini).

Is that 100 x 0 ?
 
It seems to me that Apple would be reluctant to update the processors on the iMac to quad core prior to doing so with their MBP line, as they seem to view that line as the product leader for them (it certainly makes up the bulk of their sales).

I hope I'm wrong though, I hope Apple does something that genuinely surprises us pessimists.
History doesn't show that. The iMac generally leads the MBP in updates and performance by a little bit.

This actually makes sense. The MBP is going to be sold in much larger quantities and it takes time for the manufacturing of new processors from intel to ramp up.
 
I find it funny that Apple finally sees that the Mini will sell if you make it a decent desktop.

They waited almost 2 years (20 months I think) before they update the MB138 and MB129 to the MB463 and MB464.

2.26Ghz Base and a 2.4Ghz CTO and hopefully some SSD options.....

Let's hope for a capable AppleTV that can do full 1080p and also way more space. You can get a 640GB 2.5" 9.5mm SATA for $100....
 
I think two things work against this.


1. There is no Intel Chipset available yet that has an integrated USB 3.0 host controller and I don't see Apple putting in the one chip that was just barely released for USB 3.0 host control on these machines.

Intel doesn't support firewire 800 either and it is present. NEC and others have a PCI-e 1x host chip could use. Could put 1 maybe 2 USB 3.0 ports but still would be USB 2.0 port(s) present.

By the way, Nvidia, not Intel, provides the chipset for most of Apple's line up.




2. Apple seems to have a stake in bypassing USB 3.0 and going right to Light Peak late next year which has data rates that humble the new USB spec.

I think you fail to understand the purpose of Light Peak. Light Peak is just the latest in Apple's flirtations with its 'war' against cable 'clutter'. Remember Apple's proprietary video connector that ran video/usb over one connector between a Mac and the external monitor. Same essential problem. Want a single cable to connect two devices which have multiple communication protocols and/or channels to ship to each other.

In short, it is a multiplex/de-multiplex solution. It is also designed to be hot pluggable which would make it a leap over what "expresscard" offers.


However, this is NOT going to be a general replacement for USB.

1. Your average mouse/keyboard/USB flash drive/etc. have zero need for some complicated, more expensive, multiple protocol connection. Really? you need a 10gb/s link to your mouse????


2. An optical link isn't going to supply power. So that makes bus powered hard drives. They are thinking of coupling in a copper wire to provide juice but is likely going to conflict with the longer lengths they are talking of. However, now getting to the point where throwing the kitchen sink at the port.

If you have a USB device and the plug fits into the USB port you can be pretty sure the devices can talk to one another.

Light Peak is different. Unless they make all the possible protocols manditory than you could have Light Peak hubs that can't talk to other more lmited Light Peak Hubs. That's is fine for limited use connectors. However, that runs counter to true "plug and play".


3. There is some overlap with the upper range of USB 3.0 and Light Peak for modern storage transfer. However, that is a narrow niche which USB 3.0 hasn't really fully exploited .... yet.
 
My guess is minor processor and hard disk bumps for the MINI.

-Basic Mini gets 2.1 Ghz, 2GB Ram and 256Mb Vram standard.
The optional processor upgrade will be 2.33 Ghz.

-Basic Mini goes from 120 Gb hard drive to 160 Gb.

This is my realistic bet. Don´t be too optimistic with quad cores or blue-rays because you will be disapointed.

I hope it's that minor since I just purchased a 2.0 core 2, w/ 2GB ram and the 320GB HDD last Thursday.

Any chance the update will come out within the week or next week? That way I could trade in ... not hopeful though. On the other hand, I really like the mini for what it does which is a lot.
 
Slower product releases?

It seems like product changes & releases are slower now with Intel processors that with the PPC processors. Other than being able to run Windows faster what did we gain with the change to Intel?
 
It seems like product changes & releases are slower now with Intel processors that with the PPC processors. Other than being able to run Windows faster what did we gain with the change to Intel?

for one, a dual core processor in notebooks.
 
I don't want to get into a big debate about this but the wishful thinking that BD has 5 years of life left to it is laughable.

Netflix CEO recently said that Blu-Ray was just as important as their online distribution work.

Additionally, until you are getting the full quality of a 50GB 1080P Blu-Ray movie via download and have the rights to archive that download Blu-Ray will enjoy market leadership over downloads.

Depends where You are,there's already countries in the world where they enjoy 100Mb/s downloadspeed.
My little town in the Netherlands (5000 citizen) will have a working optical network this month at max. speeds of 50 Mb/s but will go up quite soon,probably next year.
Blu-Ray is not catching up here and believe me it won't,its just another medium notorius for problems such as fingerprints,scratches,heat sensitive and so on.
You could be right for the states which is vast and will be too cosly to cable to whole country but for small countries like The Netherlands,Singapore and the like it will be easy to download even a 50 GB Movie in a short time.

Retail prizes for Macs are also down here so new Macs will be there in just about two weeks I guess.
 
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