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These little sliding covers are just silly. We keep a roll of 3M black stickers to place over the cameras, cheap as chips and does the job.
 
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I never understood people who want to cover the camera on their MacBook for "privacy" reasons and yet leave the camera on their phones (which they bring everywhere they go) uncovered. Like what's the logic there? Hackers and snoopers only exist on the Mac but not on phone and tablets?
 
I have one of these camera covers. I simply can’t rely on a green light to prevent embarrassment when I accidentally activate my camera during a team meeting, when I’m sat on the sofa in my pants, eating ramen noodles with a head like a robber’s dog.

Nothing to do with hackers, security or the NSA. It’s to protect me from my own stupidity and God knows I can be stupid.

I just use a piece of paper with some tape.
 
You shouldn't be holding your laptop at the top of the screen (where the camera is), you should always holding it by the bottom (where it folds).
 
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As they said in the article the camera cannot be activated without the green indicator light being turned on and macOS gives you complete control over when and where your camera and microphones are used. So what's the point in that?
They said that earlier and hackers were still able to disable the light. Has Apple addressed this?

 
The circuit is still not physically connected, the camera could be used if the T2 gets cracked(unlikely I know). Apple should physically wire it so that if the camera is powered the light will light up. Then there would be no way to access the camera without the light turning on.

They did that on some webcams, and people figured out that if you used the camera to capture individual frames, then the hardwired light would blink too fast to notice. Modern webcams use logic in the controller to ensure a minimum on-time and often patterns to make it more prominent. I have a Logitech where it initially comes on bright, goes to a lower level, then after you stop use, it takes a few seconds for the light to fade out.

Hackers and snoopers only exist on the Mac but not on phone and tablets?

Computers let you, and others, run untrusted software.
 
I work in cybersecurity and I cover up my cameras as does everyone I know.

100%. People who chalk any form of Internet security -- be it physical (camera, etc.) or software (VPN, etc.) -- up to unfounded paranoia are uninformed. Unfortunately, it's arguably impractical for the average consumer to be properly informed about what really happens on the Internet.

And if you're interested in cyber warfare and cybersecurity, these are great reads. They're also great reads in general:


 
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Ooooo £600 repair right there.

I know because I spoke to Apple today about my antiglare coating coming off my retina MacBook Pro. They won’t fix it under warranty and wanted £575.80 to sort the manufacturing defect out.

So it was out of warranty, is what you are saying, but you wanted something fixed for free. Got it.
 
That is correct. There is malware that can circumvent the light going on when the camera is active on Windows and macOS, but as I understand it on T2-equipped MacBook models, this is not possible because the webcam is controlled from the T2.

On a pre-2008 mac, possible, but the LED light is hardwired to the camera sensor. There is no firmware control to enable/disable the LED.
 
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Someone should tell these people that every mac laptop since 2018 has a T2 chip that controls the camera and has literally never been hacked.

Or at least ask them why they aren't covering up their iPhone camera.
 
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On Macs equipped with T2 security chip, T2 acts as a gateway to both the microphone and camera. It is not possible for apps or even system level code to bypass the green LED indicator light when accessing camera.

As reliable as LEDs are they still sometimes go bad. Unless there's a LED failure sensor and notification process which I doubt exist you're relying on blind trust. Simple built-in physical shutter in comparison is fool proof and cheaper.
 
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I seem to recall an anti-theft software program that was able to disable the camera indicator light in order to take photos of potential thieves discretely and email them in the background.

I think with T2 that is (hopefully) less necessary, but still. Can anyone recall if that was indeed possible or is now?
 
As they said in the article the camera cannot be activated without the green indicator light being turned on and macOS gives you complete control over when and where your camera and microphones are used. So what's the point in that?
A good attacker will take single photos very specifically. You won't even notice if the light is only on for a fraction of a second.
 
I never understood people who want to cover the camera on their MacBook for "privacy" reasons and yet leave the camera on their phones (which they bring everywhere they go) uncovered. Like what's the logic there? Hackers and snoopers only exist on the Mac but not on phone and tablets?

I have covers on those as well.

However I would point out that my phone is in my pocket, most of the time - not a lot to see in there. 😁
 
Hmm.. I'm using a moshi antiglare cover for my screen which I absolutely love. I'd hate to have to remove it.
 
I have covers on those as well.

However I would point out that my phone is in my pocket, most of the time - not a lot to see in there. 😁

My phone is often times pointed at my computer monitor when I'm using it. I find that much more concerning.

I guess if a hacker wants to take a picture of my ugly face from my laptop, I'd tell him to go for it. He/she might be waiting a while for me to hold up my social security card in front of it.
 
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As they said in the article the camera cannot be activated without the green indicator light being turned on and macOS gives you complete control over when and where your camera and microphones are used. So what's the point in that?

The point of a camera cover is:
  1. To know that nothing is recording without having to look for the light.
  2. To know that nothing can turn on the camera and take a picture before you have a chance to cover the camera.
If you really care about privacy, software only gets you so far. An app you've already authorized may turn out to have an issue that allows remote activation. macOS itself could have a bug allowing unauthorized apps to access the camera. More than one piece of malware has been known to use cameras in undesirable ways. Sure, it's going to have to end up on your computer somehow, but there are plenty of options varying from social engineering / clueless user to an outright unpatched exploit. Ultimately, a physical cover or disconnect is the only surefire way to prevent all these attacks from doing anything useful with the camera.

Personally, I'd like to see computers coming with a physical switch for both the camera and microphones. 99% of people may not need it, but it's an inexpensive and easy solution to the problem. (Obviously this should be tied in to software to remind you if the switch is off.) Considering the extent to which most people seem to value their privacy, I'm not holding my breath.


To be clear, I do have multiple cameras in my house which I'm comfortable leaving uncovered. But, that's because I've been very selective about who I actually trust to handle my data. Nothing goes off-site without my explicit say-so, and each device is either blocked from communicating with the internet or comes from a trusted company. And, since I keep everything more or less up to date and am very careful when granting app permissions, the chances of an active exploit being an issue are close enough to zero not to worry.

I'd never criticize someone for wanting to physically disable any recording device in their house.
 
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