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That is correct. There is malware that can circumvent the light going on when the camera is active on Windows and macOS, but as I understand it on T2-equipped MacBook models, this is not possible because the webcam is controlled from the T2.
On windows. Not mac
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Two pieces of paper and a paperclip will crack that screen if closed upon. Evan a staple will do it!
h, I want thinner bezels. Oh my it’s more fragile, who knew
 
Maybe Apple should include a privacy cover then? They claim to be privacy focused but ironically leave their cameras completely exposed.
What Apple does do is provide a hardware connected indicator light for the camera. For modern Macs, when the camera is being used, the light is on. That cannot be avoided by malicious software. The camera covers are not really needed.
 
I've been using a biz card size folded card for my mid 2012 MBP. I think the tolerances are more flexible Or that model. Maybe that the reason I don't get screen pealgate?
 


Apple this month published a support document that warns customers against closing their Mac notebooks with a cover over the camera as it can lead to display damage.

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Apple says that the clearance between the display and the keyboard is designed to very tight tolerances, which can be problematic. Covering the camera can also cause issues with automatic brightness and True Tone.The warnings from Apple likely stem from complaints from MacBook Pro owners who have seen their displays crack after covering the camera, and there are multiple reports and warnings on sites that include MacRumors and Reddit. The issue appears to be especially bad with the new 16-inch MacBook Pro models that have thinner bezels.

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MacRumors forum member Dashwin, for example, put a webcam cover on his 16-inch MacBook Pro in April and the result was a crack in the display under where the camera is located.Damage from applying a webcam cover to the camera is considered accidental and can be repaired under AppleCare+, but it's quite possible it's an issue that Apple won't fix for customers that don't have AppleCare+, and it's an expensive fix.

Apple says that customers concerned about illicit camera access should watch for the green light that comes on when the camera is activated. The camera is engineered so that it can't be accessed without the indicator light turning on.

MacBook owners can also control which apps have access to the built-in camera as users must grant permission for camera use on any operating system after macOS Mojave. For those who do need to cover the camera, Apple recommends a camera cover that's not thicker than the average piece of printer paper (0.1mm) and that does not leave adhesive residue.

Article Link: Apple Warns Against Closing MacBooks With a Cover Over the Camera
I'm torn...I feel like Apple engineers live in a bubble where they expect people to put on gloves and gently move their macbook from one place to another...as if people *actually* do that.

On the other hand, webcam covers look stupid and are generally installed by stupid people who believe the CIA is watching them through their webcam. Okay Alex Jones, calm down.

Solution? Apple should engineer their laptops to be able to handle abuse like every other "Pro" laptop AND people should quit using those stupid covers.
 
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Is there a proof of concept showing that you can control a mac cam with/without the green light displaying?
 
Maybe just use tape instead?
Maybe just ****ing leave it alone. This is spurred by idiots. The same idiots that thought PCs were possessed because their trays would pop out or their printers start printing. So they think the camera is continually spying on them. And more idiots make stupid covers and whatnot to ignite this trend because hey capitalism.

And now you have this. A broken $2k machine just because your dumbass thought people were totally like spying on you...
 
As they said in the article the camera cannot be activated without the green indicator light being turned on and macOS gives you complete control over when and where your camera and microphones are used. So what's the point in that?

What's the point in letting you know that your privacy has just been invaded, as opposed to *preventing* it in the first place? Is that what you're asking?
 
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I sold my MacBook Air to my coworker when I got my 16" MacBook Pro, and within a few days she put on a screen protector, palm rest covers, keyboard cover, and a trackpad cover. I'm waiting for her to tell me one day the screen is cracked and/or has some pressure damage.
 
Apple just needs to remove the webcam since the quality sucks so bad and its’s still the same decade old 720p camera even on the new mbp 16!! How is that even possible? Just remove the damn camera since apple clearly doesnt give a damn about it
 
On Macs equipped with T2 security chip, T2 acts as a gateway to both the microphone and camera. It is not possible for apps or even system level code to bypass the green LED indicator light when accessing camera.

If you think the green light is not prominent enough, and you almost never use the camera, then I suppose putting a tape or cover over the camera lens make some sense.

Keep believing that. Sure, Apple security is unbreakable and should always be trusted.
 
Apple just needs to remove the webcam since the quality sucks so bad and its’s still the same decade old 720p camera even on the new mbp 16!! How is that even possible? Just remove the damn camera since apple clearly doesnt give a damn about it

uhm it works. Do I care about being in 4K hi res while I’m on a company zoom call? I guess if you’re a webcam girl it may suck for their viewers. But ya they should bump the specs.
 
For real dude? It's called closing your MacBook lid. For the rest of the time, there is a very obvious green light that is hardwired into the power for the camera itself. Any time the camera is powered, the light is powered via the same power pathway. On top of all of this, it's a freaking Mac. Stop worrying, lol.

Sorry dude, but it's a real thing that is known to happen. Try considering the director of the FBI knows something you don't.
 
Huh?
Thought those Webcams on the MacBooks were so bad that there just isn't any point in covering them up 🤑
Exactly. Its still the 720p!!!!!!!!!!! Wtf. I’m paying 2.9k for a pro that has a piece of **** webcam. Upgrade the webcam on the next macs or just remove them completely if ur still going to stick with the garbage 720p!!!
 
I don't cover mine, but what would any potential hacker see? me stuffing my face on fast food every other night :p
 
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As they said in the article the camera cannot be activated without the green indicator light being turned on and macOS gives you complete control over when and where your camera and microphones are used. So what's the point in that?
Why should I be forced to constantly check the machine to ensure MY privacy? If I don't want the camera on, then give the option to cover it. It is a simple courtesy. I don't have a peephole in the door to the guest bedroom or bathroom in my home, I would consider it an affront to my guests. Why am I unable to cover the webcam on an expensive laptop?
 
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This problem exposes the real issue of why Apple is making the screen more fragile? You'd think it'd be built as well as the previous model if not better. Makes you think if this is intentional to generate more repair profit.
 
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Looks like the Camera comes down over the touchpad/bottom frame of the Mac.
Why not just use a Mototool to grind out a camera-cover sized depression in the surfaces in this area?

This is a Serious design flaw. Some people like to ensure their privacy.
Apple should have figured out how to recess the camera far enough so a small piece of paper could cover it, without projecting beyond the plane of the frame.

These exceedingly tight tolerances could spell trouble for everyone though. How many 6" drops before something moves out of tolerance? What happens when you shut the thing in anger, or after a little too much to drink? One should not have to don a monks robe before handling a personal computer.
 
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