Define “right”.View attachment 2084803
Based on the most recent display panel order data provided by Ross Young, it's clear this was the right move for Apple and for customers.
- iPhone 13 mini received about 5 million units. The selling price is $729.
- iPhone 14 Plus is getting 20 million panels. The selling price is $929.
Which one generates more revenue? The data suggests customers are buying iPhone 14 at the same rate as iPhone 13 last year, but the mix has shifted significantly to iPhone 14 Plus.
iPhone 14 orders down 38% compared to iPhone 13 - 9to5Mac
We’ve heard quite a bit about how the iPhone 14 Pro models are selling better than the rest of the...9to5mac.com
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iPhone 14/Plus Apple was right in deleting the iPhone mini
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johannnn
macrumors 68030
I have around 20 colleagues with iPhone. All have iPhone 12 or newer, which means the Mini is possible to own for all of them. Yet, I’m the only one with a Mini..
My dream phone is still a Mini with ProMotion. And it’s not that I hate the size of the Pro, but I hate the weight of it. Why did they make the Pro phones in another material 🙁
My dream phone is still a Mini with ProMotion. And it’s not that I hate the size of the Pro, but I hate the weight of it. Why did they make the Pro phones in another material 🙁
I don’t see FaceID coming to the SE — but I do see the possibility of power button TouchID. Do you think this is even possible on a small device like this?
Botts85
macrumors regular
I’d pay more for a Pro mini. I just don’t want to sacrifice anything other than battery life for it.
If I could have had the camera module from an iPhone 12,13,14 Pro in each versions mini, I’d have bought all of them.
I want the flagship benefits in a smaller device. My work phone has been an SE 2020 for a long time and I prefer the size to my Pro’s.
If I could have had the camera module from an iPhone 12,13,14 Pro in each versions mini, I’d have bought all of them.
I want the flagship benefits in a smaller device. My work phone has been an SE 2020 for a long time and I prefer the size to my Pro’s.
boss.king
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Maybe that’s why they love bigger phones, their eyes aren’t up to reading numbers on a Mini 😂
QCassidy352
macrumors G5
Was in an Apple Store today looking to trade in my 12 mini for a 14. Couldn’t do it. Just too damn big. Will probably end up getting a 13 mini and keeping it til the wheels fall off.
I respect anyone who likes the Mini. It’s such a nice little phone, in my opinion, I could even say arguably the most aesthetically pleasing. I used to be a small phone fan myself, but a couple things happened:
I got a little older. I can’t quite read the screen as well as I used to.
I use my phone differently compared to 2012. I feel like Apps are optimized for modern screens now, where the Mini is an afterthought.
That being said, I use a 14 Pro now. I previously used a 11 Pro Max. I find the Pro to be quite compact and easy to use while having enough screen real estate for it not to feel like too significant of a trade off.
I got a little older. I can’t quite read the screen as well as I used to.
I use my phone differently compared to 2012. I feel like Apps are optimized for modern screens now, where the Mini is an afterthought.
That being said, I use a 14 Pro now. I previously used a 11 Pro Max. I find the Pro to be quite compact and easy to use while having enough screen real estate for it not to feel like too significant of a trade off.
ctjack
macrumors 68000
You know 12 mini to 13 was not mind blowing for me. But 12 mini to 13 mini was really like a nice afterthought.
In my book of values, 12 mini to 13 mini transition is not even questionable if financing is in place and figured out. Personally upgraded for $70 using t-mobile at bestbuy back in the days.
MrAperture
macrumors 6502a
That Best Buy deal was fire.
Not when the 6.7-inch Plus market is worth is $18.6B of sales in the first three months.
It's all about opportunity cost. Apple also doesn't want to dilute its engineering efforts and brand like Samsung does by releasing 50 smartphones each year.
Xand&Roby
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I agree with you: it's full of homuncles with compensation issues that buy cars and big phones because what they have between their legs is not enough.
Have fun!🤣
Have fun!🤣
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QCassidy352
macrumors G5
I almost did it last year and now wish I had. Can still get a 256 13 mini for $0/month with a trade in to t mobile though.
yeah it’s a minor upgrade but you get A15, slightly better camera, slightly smaller notch, and (best of all) better battery life and less overheating. All in all, should be worth it, given that apple doesn’t appear to plan to release any more phones in sizes I find comfortable.
bpeeps
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I used to be comfortable using a 4” iPhone, but once I tried the 6.7”, I would not go any smaller than this. I wonder if Apple will move the SE into this slot — curious what numbers are for the SE vs Mini.
Tsepz
macrumors 603
Customers continuing to vote with their wallets and telling the manufacturers “big screens in, small screens out” in their masses.View attachment 2084803
Based on the most recent display panel order data provided by Ross Young, it's clear this was the right move for Apple and for customers.
- iPhone 13 mini received about 5 million units. The selling price is $729.
- iPhone 14 Plus is getting 20 million panels. The selling price is $929.
Which one generates more revenue? The data suggests customers are buying iPhone 14 at the same rate as iPhone 13 last year, but the mix has shifted significantly to iPhone 14 Plus.
iPhone 14 orders down 38% compared to iPhone 13 - 9to5Mac
We’ve heard quite a bit about how the iPhone 14 Pro models are selling better than the rest of the...
I’m interested to see how the 14 Plus does, I know for us enthusiasts it’s better to just get a 13 PM or go straight to 14 PM, but for the person looking for a big screen iPhone at under $1000 that’s not too heavy with great battery life, here it is!
snipr125
macrumors 68030
Yet there are numerous articles showing that the 14 and 14 Plus have weaker demand than the 13 Mini based on pre-orders. Anyway the mainstream public prefer larger screen phones, none of us deny this, not me anyway, so i suspect the regular 14 models will pick up in sales and probably sell more than the Mini models did.
Ill be honest and say i don't really care what the mainstream public prefer, just my own needs (that's what I'm paying my hard earned money for), and that is smaller phones that are lightweight, compact and can be used 1 handed. In this regards the 12/13 Mini are just perfect, and 2 of Apples finest phones ever made.
Ill be honest and say i don't really care what the mainstream public prefer, just my own needs (that's what I'm paying my hard earned money for), and that is smaller phones that are lightweight, compact and can be used 1 handed. In this regards the 12/13 Mini are just perfect, and 2 of Apples finest phones ever made.
Andeddu
macrumors 68020
There was little Apple could do with the Mini’s pricing as it’s a flagship offering with the same components as the rest of the lineup. The only difference is size which resulted in a $100 deduction. I am happy with a small flagship however I reckon the SE cannibalised sales simply due to it being the cheaper phone. I would like to see an SE in the same shape of the Mini which is NOT sold as a flagship. That means using inferior components such as an LCD panel rather than an OLED one to keep costs down.
appreciate this balanced sentiment. i clearly see the point and value of large screen phones for people. whats disappointing is how many large screen phone fans seem to celebrate the fact that people who prefer smaller phones are increasingly left without any options because they are supposedly too small of a group to matter. it just seems needlessly mean spirited.
i have a 13 pro for battery and 120hz, otherwise i'd definitely have preferred a mini. i often wonder how many other people were in a similar boat to me. i just can't get past the idea that there has to be some sort of better compromise possible between decent battery life and the absolute brick of a phone that is the 13 pro. sigh.
tomtad
macrumors 68040
Personally I’d split the mini line off similar to what they do with the iPad mini and update it every few years.
Make it a bit thicker to hold a larger battery and you’d get similar battery life to the larger phones, you could then have features like promotion.
I bet they’d sell a load more than the iPad mini as well!
klasma
macrumors G4
The Zenfone 9 released last month is 5.9" and physically smaller (narrower, mostly) than the regular iPhone.
Wando64
macrumors 68030
The right move for Apple? Quite possibly. The numbers certainly suggest as much.
but... less choice is never the right move for customers.
but... less choice is never the right move for customers.
Apple is about saving cost by sharing the same tooling and parts. The XR has FaceID already, and one way to sell the new SE (and possibly a price increase to $450) is FaceID. Apple wouldn’t want to create new tooling nor redesign parts for the lowest tier model. Having power button TouchID means new frame design, new internal layout, and if the SE has a full screen design with minimal notch, it means new screen designs, which means higher cost.
One premium phone from Asus, that is only available in very few markets (like Sony), amongst hundreds of Chinese Android phones from BBK and Xiaomi, where even their cheapest and best selling phones are at least 6.5".
In my country, Xiaomi recently released the Poco C40, a $105 phone, that has 6.7" screen.
Best selling Samsung phones are the S22 Ultra and Galaxy A13, 6.8" and 6.6" respectively.
QCassidy352
macrumors G5
It pains me to think about the next SE using the body of the Xr/11, which is the absolute worst iPhone design of all time. To go from the iPhone 5 body in the first SE to that monstrosity… ooof.