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It's the fashion angle that will set Apple apart from the crowd, and make the smartwatch a acceptable fashion item, thus spreading its acceptance. Unfortunately, Apple can't figure out what to do with the watch. And you've just pointed out a problem pricing it the way they do. It's assembled with glue, unlike any fine watch a person might buy at a jewelry store, and unfirtunely that means it's more difficult to repair correctly. Even Apple's own website says replacing the battery means not being able to retest for water resistance. These are all basic things to watch ownership. So on the one hand Apple is treating it like an iPhone, on the other like a high end fashion watch. And they're failing at both badly.

You nailed it. I wasn't going to post anything (I've bad mouthed AW enough), but you hit the nail on the head.
 
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Apple Watch:
on Siri: Hey Siri (wait 10 seconds) set the time.. Hey Siri.. Hey.. set the timer for 5 minutes.. (wait 15 seconds)..done
on Apps: Starting up weather app.. shows old info.. wait for.. oh damn, does not work.. open other app
On glances: **** waiting... waiting ***

Apple watch needs more CPU power and faster response for it to work..
I still wear it every day though, notifications seem to do fine which i do love

Isn't this incredibly annoying? I don't think it's an issue with the CPU, though. I suspect any time Apple Watch needs to do anything it has to wake up its Bluetooth transceiver and start a conversations with the phone. It can be pretty annoying the first time you use it with a sleeping connection, but once that connection is up the watch is responsive for other tasks (until is sleeps again, which seems to happen fairly quickly to avoid battery drain).

Honestly, despite this I love my Apple Watch. I have never forgotten it at home once!
 
But they need to be able to demonstrate sustainable growth in the long term. If the iWatch market collapses after 1 year then the product is a flop. Sustained growth is what makes the stock price increase, not another product flop.

OMG, another flop... There have been so many over the years and Apple is suffering greatly as a result. The iPod, iPhone, iPad were predicted to be flops during the first year. Good thing Apple's executive staff pays zero attention to people posting on MR.
 
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Realize that this is like 3 billion + dollars?

Wish I could fail so bad :D

When your revenue is $233b in 2015 then $5b is less than 3% of revenue. In other words, 97% of revenue comes from other parts of the business. Shareholders then ask, "Why the heck are you wasting money on such a pitiful return?" and "Is there growth in the long term?" If the answer to that second question isn't "Exponential growth" then the third question a shareholder asks "Why are you not investing in areas of the company that are already making money so they can make MORE money?"

Long story shortened, a Board of Directors role is to return shareholder value. If there is not growth then the executive leadership is failing shareholders and need to be ousted. Tim Cook needs a Win of his own making.
 
And now, analysts are predicting in its second year, instead of growing, it will sell about the same or less than the original iPhone. Not to mention they've sold less than 4% of the potential market for the watch, which is anyone with an iPhone. While those numbers are fantastic for any stand alone business, they're terrible for Apple, especially given the potential market of over 500 million iPhone users, and no business wants to sell half as many units during their second year of sales.

Sounds like you have proprietary Apple information on sales expectations. Excellent! 4%... What should the number have been - for a niche product?

So which is it, anyway? Selling the same or less, or, half as many?

Yes, $5 Billion dollars for a 1st generation product is terrible. Pardon me while I die laughing...
 
Apple watch has enough band options almost for any style. they need better performance for sure, and now the ability to make a choice even for form factor. maybe there are a lot of people who prefer rounded form
 
When your revenue is $233b in 2015 then $5b is less than 3% of revenue. In other words, 97% of revenue comes from other parts of the business. Shareholders then ask, "Why the heck are you wasting money on such a pitiful return?" and "Is there growth in the long term?" If the answer to that second question isn't "Exponential growth" then the third question a shareholder asks "Why are you not investing in areas of the company that are already making money so they can make MORE money?"

Long story shortened, a Board of Directors role is to return shareholder value. If there is not growth then the executive leadership is failing shareholders and need to be ousted. Tim Cook needs a Win of his own making.

By that logic Apple would only make iPhones because it's the main money maker. If I offered to give you a product that would increase your bank account by 3 percent I bet you wouldn't say no.
 
When your revenue is $233b in 2015 then $5b is less than 3% of revenue.

This is actually a valid point.

"Why are you not investing in areas of the company that are already making money so they can make MORE money?"

I think that this is what Apple is discussing behind closed doors. I am not sure that they see the watch as a standalone money-maker product. I see it as an augmentation of what they already have, and of other moneymakers. In other words, the watch is tapping a new market (fashion/wearables), specifically to bring more money in indirect revenues to other products, such as the iPhone, the Apps and Apple Pay. This is why the Watch is strategically important.

Long story shortened, a Board of Directors role is to return shareholder value. If there is not growth then the executive leadership is failing shareholders and need to be ousted. Tim Cook needs a Win of his own making.

I believe that for now shareholders are quite happy, but I agree that things can change quite soon.
 
Let me start by saying that I own an Apple Watch. It's cool and fun, but by no means is it viewed as a necessity as my iPhone is. It's convenient, but 3rd party apps are less than desired and I find myself just glancing their data (mainly weather) on my modular screen. Actually going into the apps is asking for unnecessary pain. Otherwise, I use it to give me the time and to glance at texts.

Given that, I don't see this as a flagship product or a product that is going to experience the growth the iPhone or iPod enjoyed. I feel that people who want an Apple Watch likely already have them and its relative lack of practical features may prevent this product from taking off. I also don't see any reason why someone with gen 1 would want to upgrade to gen 2 as gen 2 is likely going to be a small incremental improvement.
 
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By that logic Apple would only make iPhones because it's the main money maker. If I offered to give you a product that would increase your bank account by 3 percent I bet you wouldn't say no.

What's the best alternative? If I invest in existing product then I can get a 4% return. Which should I invest in? Q.2. has to give that 3% return GROWTH in the future or you're leaving money on the table. This is all about the ROI and if the growth from the Apple Watch isn't there then it's a flop. It doesn't look good at this point unless Apple ramps up production of more expensive watch straps.
 
What's the best alternative? If I invest in existing product then I can get a 4% return. Which should I invest in? Q.2. has to give that 3% return GROWTH in the future or you're leaving money on the table. This is all about the ROI and if the growth from the Apple Watch isn't there then it's a flop. It doesn't look good at this point unless Apple ramps up production of more expensive watch straps.


I hardly see a product that brings in billions of dollars a year as a flop. Especially when we all know how much it costs them to make. The smaller scale products like Apple TV and watch all help feed the beast that produce the iPhones we all love. Innovation isn't cheap.
No company outside of Microsoft is going to stubbornly support a product if they are taking a loss and aren't sure of the future gain.

If being an Apple user has taught us anything it's that the future is always bright. If you can't wait, and enjoy the ride, then don't buy into it at all. Nobody is forcing you.

I stand my my assertion that most of the complaints that people lodge against Apple products is based solely on money. You can't get get BMW for Kia money.
 
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I hardly see a product that brings in billions of dollars a year as a flop. Especially when we all know how much it costs them to make.

It would truly depend on the opportunity cost of making that first product... (fyi I don't think that the Watch is a flop)
 
When your revenue is $233b in 2015 then $5b is less than 3% of revenue. In other words, 97% of revenue comes from other parts of the business. Shareholders then ask, "Why the heck are you wasting money on such a pitiful return?" and "Is there growth in the long term?" If the answer to that second question isn't "Exponential growth" then the third question a shareholder asks "Why are you not investing in areas of the company that are already making money so they can make MORE money?"

Long story shortened, a Board of Directors role is to return shareholder value. If there is not growth then the executive leadership is failing shareholders and need to be ousted. Tim Cook needs a Win of his own making.

Shareholders will not ask. They are happy with highest return rate in industry
 
The Garmin's Fenix 3 is a superior product. Apple needs to take notes on that design and functionality.

This giant thing?
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As a current non owner If they looked like they were going to have a 2 year cycle I'd be tempted to get v2 as I do want one. however if they look like they are going yearly I will wait for the v3. This is because historically the v3s seem to have it mostly worked out to me. Retina on the iPad 3 and enough processing power in the iPhone 3GS. I'd buy one the year I'm not buying the iPhone if they do do them annually.
 
Siri isn't the fastest on the Watch, I agree. But it is capable of handling some backlog. Most of the times, I raise my wrist, I say "Hey Siri, set a timer for 15 minutes", I lower my arm, and I check back 10 seconds later if it succeeded. 99% of the times it did.

But I fully agree the watch needs more CPU power and way faster response. And they should fix the 1% of the times when it didn't work. And its Siri should be capable of doing all the things the phone Siri can do.

Would not it be easier (and faster) then to simply pull your phone and use Siri on it?
 
The Garmin's Fenix 3 is a superior product. Apple needs to take notes on that design and functionality.

I'm wearing a Fenix 3 HR on one arm and an Apple Watch on the other! Both great in different ways. I got fed up of my Apple Watch stopping halfway through a long rainy run (I think the touch screen gets confused when soaked). I'm sure the AW is a better product for most people (iPhone owners) but the running and mapping functions with the advanced sensors on the Garmin really put it an a different class for healthy and outdoorsy people.
 
The Apple Watch does not need a hardware update every year.


It doesn't. I went into it assuming it would be an Apple TV like product.
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No. Again, it depends on the opportunity cost.
If you work 8hrs a day for $10/hr and in order to do that you give up a 5hr/day job that pays $50/hr, then you're gaining but still failing.


....maybe you need to look up the word gain.
 
Please Apple, focus on the watch's KEY advantage:
  • Notifications
  • Remote Control (for example when you want to keep your phone in the backpack).
  • Quick glance of schedule
  • Dictation/audio texting
  • Fitness
  • Apple Pay
I don't give a damn about FaceTime, photos, or listening to music directly from the watch (it's a beautiful remote for the Music app on the phone. let's just leave it at that). So remote those gimmicks, and refrain from adding the damn camera.

If the next iteration maximises its absolute advantage, I will not hesitate to purchase one
 
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