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Guys, the iPad gets 10 hours of heavy usage and it's twenty times the size. Half that is pretty good for a wristwatch

you can't truly equate physical size like that.

not to mention that th iPads contain a 7340Mah battery. the Apple watch is rumoured to be around what? 400?

thats nearly 20x the size of battery.

include that the sheer difference in EVERYTHIGN ELSE.

there's no direct comparison capable. right now, we can only really compare other smartwatches
 
Where does it say the entire watch face will turn red? It's a glance, different from a watch face.

so youve used one? you can attest to how often this happens, yes?

oh. no, you havent. nevermind.

I'd be glancing for the time far more often than I'd be using the other features. So, each time I'd turn my wrist to check the time the face I'd be constantly reminded that the battery is low. It'd be like your iPhone lock screen clock going amber or red. I'd get sick of that in your face battery indication considering that the Apple Watch's one day battery life means you'll be seeing the amber and red faces daily.
 
5 hours ? I recently got a fitbit charge hr that lasts 5 days between charges and constantly monitors heart rate using leds. Not changing for something 3 times the price and a tenth the battery life

Reread your post. It's a FITBIT. They barely have to support a screen.
 
They'll be the type of user that will be meticulously monitoring the time with an atomic clock next to them to really test the claim of accuracy to 50 milliseconds.

You know, the technological equivalent of hypochondriacs....

Hmm, FWIW, I have a clock in my living room that I built with a Raspberry Pi, specifically because it can use NTP to get time that accurate, and automatically handles things like DST changes. But I don't stare at it all day. I just wanted a clock that was always right, I've have had sub-par experiences with commercial GPS clocks, and found it to be a fun project.

I'll probably get an Apple Watch, and I'll be delighted to have a watch that stays that accurate without manual intervention, but I won't be looking at it five hours a day.
 
Apple and oranges. Fitbit doesn't have a color screen or WiFi or have constant two way communication with a phone. It also doesn't accurately measure HR based on my own experience -- about 10% off compared to a chest strap during the same period.

For $149 you get a fixed use activity band with clock, SMS alerts, HR monitor. For $349 you are getting a watch with color touch screen and multifunction task capability including two way SMS and full notifications and advanced activity monitoring and all the expansion 3rd party apps provide. It's like comparing the gas milage on a moped to a car.

Nothing agains the Fitbit Charge HR. It's a good activity band. But these are very different products.

Look at you on here talking sense and all that.

I know... it's really amazing the apples to zebras comparisons on here.
 
5 hours of heavy usage is actually quite a bit. I sure as hell don't think I'll play on my watch THAT much through a day.
 
Agree.
Do you think apple cares about the environment? If they would care, then a device or OS would need to be changed every 5 years not every year. This is the new apple. Fast burning and fast dying.

What does how often it needs to be charged have to do with the environment?
 
What does how often it needs to be charged have to do with the environment?

well, when a mommy and a dad.... er, wrong "talk"


everytime you 'charge' an electronic device, you cause a power draw, anywhere from a few volts (or watts or whatever measurement you care) on the utilities.

that draw, when done in a high volume scale eventually adds up. In a large enough volume of power draw, eventually increased power production is required in order to continuously provide enough electricity to residence. The more often you charge, the more you will be drawing power.


Electricity, at least currently in most places around the world, is not cleanly produced.

this is just ONE way in which it impacts the environment.
 
If you're heavily using your watch for 300 minutes a day... you might need a new hobby. :D

The good thing is... your iPhone battery should last longer since you're not firing up its giant screen all day.
 
Thank you, I would rather it be too high though than too low :(

had a heart scare a couple years back, and Hockey is very VERY stressfull on the heart. I'm looking for a way really of monitoring the peaks. if the monitor is too low than its not really going to give me the readings i want.

Maybe not the place to ask (pm me if you want), but do you know of any that works better? you seem to have tested these things out with a real heart strap for comparison, I don't currently know anyone who has done any comparitive testing.

unfortunately a chest strap is a safety hazard for me and is not an option

For that purpose I think the Charge HR would do what you are looking for -- just a ballpark at the moment HR. For example, you are walking around the different between 75 and 85 is still w/i normal.
 
Blue tooth LE (not the original blue tooth) is a very low battery user. Later versions can even get a pretty decent throughput at very low power. Notifications are not sent all the time and they are tiny bits of info. The watch is very close, reducing power drain too.

The power drain of your notifications should be negligible.

Thats correct but in order to see the full info of notification, usage of iPhone will be increased :D
 
If you sit and fiddle with your watch for 5 hours in a day, you need to take it off your wrist and beat the #$#% out of yourself with it because you have no life.

You might have noticed people fiddle with their smartphones constantly. How often would people check their phones if it wasn't for attention anxiety: 2-4 times a day?
 
5 hours of heavy use is alot guys. thats like sitting down fiddling with it for five hours straight. I don't think most of us are gonna even come close to that. Its always gonna be on our wrist, say we use it for a solid 10 minutes per hour of our waking day, thats a little over two hours of constant use, the rest of the time the display will be off, so i think this is great news!

That's when the battery is new.
 
well, when a mommy and a dad.... er, wrong "talk"


everytime you 'charge' an electronic device, you cause a power draw, anywhere from a few volts (or watts or whatever measurement you care) on the utilities.

that draw, when done in a high volume scale eventually adds up. In a large enough volume of power draw, eventually increased power production is required in order to continuously provide enough electricity to residence. The more often you charge, the more you will be drawing power.


Electricity, at least currently in most places around the world, is not cleanly produced.

this is just ONE way in which it impacts the environment.
I'm sorry but there is a finite battery capacity.

You're talking about far and away a far more miniscule amount of power than a typical lightbulb.

Now, if the battery were bigger and lasted 7 days you're still going to use the same amount of power charging it that one day than charging once a day for seven days.

I don't think you've thought through your post at all.
 
sure, for $75 or whatever they charge for a new iPhone battery. still a far cry from the $4 battery replacement for a normal watch.

If all Apple Watch did was tell time, you'd have a point. But you're comparing a state of the art wrist worn computer to a decades old technology that does one thing.
 
It will probably find itself in the middle of the pack based on watches I currently wear. If someone is buying this because they love watches, which I think most who will buy it do, it won't be considered heavy or humongous.

I understand watch aficionados. It's a collector's mentality, similar with fancy pens.
 
I'm sorry but there is a finite battery capacity.

You're talking about far and away a far more miniscule amount of power than a typical lightbulb.

Now, if the battery were bigger and lasted 7 days you're still going to use the same amount of power charging it that one day than charging once a day for seven days.

I don't think you've thought through your post at all.

sure, if your'e talking about 1.

but we're talking about potentially 5 million units sold? now if 5 million units are charging every single day for 2 hours a day?

I dont think you thought it through.

there is absolutely an environmental impact by adding any additional load, regardless of scale to the power system.
 
who is going to do heavy cpu tasks on a watch for 5 hours a day lol

and for those who say people do it with their phones........watches are not phones, you are not going to want to mince about with that tidgy screen for much time
 
So are people intentionally being obtuse?

No, they just haven't learned how to read yet. At least, a whole paragraph (or 2 or 3) is too hard.

Try explaining the way of the world in 10 to 15 words. That might work better.

;)
 
sure, if your'e talking about 1.

but we're talking about potentially 5 million units sold? now if 5 million units are charging every single day for 2 hours a day?

I dont think you thought it through.

there is absolutely an environmental impact by adding any additional load, regardless of scale to the power system.

So what you're saying is essentially that no more electronics should ever be produced...
 
So what you're saying is essentially that no more electronics should ever be produced...

no, if you look at who i responded to originally, the question was how does electronics impact the environment.

to say it doesn't would be a lie. All products we consume and use have some form of environmental footprint. There's really no way around it.

We should however be looking at ways of reducing, reusing and recycling wherever possible, and these should be a core responsibility for all human beings and all corporate entities.

I'm aware that it is not possible to be 100% environmentally friendly all the time, especially in production of mass consumer devices. But we should be doing our part to be considerate of this, and at least recognizing the impact that we are having.
 
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