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But most of them are saying "do not buy this" or "buy the cheapest version only", "wait for Apple Watch 2", etc.

The big takeaway I got from all the reviews was there's really nothing new here. This is just an extension of your phone but you can already do everything without it. Nothing new. I now have doubts on buying this.

I'm with you, my girlfriend and I were both planning on getting one but decided not to after the reviews today. I wonder if that's a trend or not.
 
people see what they want to see...and then repeat it...blindly...without a shred of first hand knowledge. I love how people take SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION and treat it as gold. Hey, why not try it and form your OWN DAMN OPINION. Seriously. Lazy ass people

You do know what reviews are for right? It's a legitimate business to test products so other people can base their buying decisions on that.

Or do you plan on spending a weekend locked up in an Apple Store wearing the watch while doing runs around the iPad table?
 
I read the verge review and quite shocked how rubbish the battery is. This is without the screen being on all the time. wow. I will wait for the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Honestly, I think is a big weakness.

I have an LG G Watch (1st Gen one).
- Charged 100% at 11am yesterday
- Notifications on, set to tilt to view (same as Apple Watch)
- Jawbone Up, Sony Lifelog and Google Fit all tracking my steps and pushing to my phone
- Went to bed with the watch one (as UP tracks sleep) and the vibrating alarm wakes me up
- fast forward to now, it's 8.14am the following day.

Battery life left: 72%
(android wear est 2 days left).

I would be worried to use the Apple Watch at night due to running out of power.
 
I read the verge review and quite shocked how rubbish the battery is. This is without the screen being on all the time. wow. I will wait for the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Honestly, I think is a big weakness.

I have an LG G Watch (1st Gen one).
- Charged 100% at 11am yesterday
- Notifications on, set to tilt to view (same as Apple Watch)
- Jawbone Up, Sony Lifelog and Google Fit all tracking my steps and pushing to my phone
- Went to bed with the watch one (as UP tracks sleep) and the vibrating alarm wakes me up
- fast forward to now, it's 8.14am the following day.

Battery life left: 72%
(android wear est 2 days left).

I would be worried to use the Apple Watch at night due to running out of power.

If you have that much battery left, your usage is very light. Plain and simple. BTW, that LG watch is 40% bigger than the smallest Watch which is posited as lasting 18h.
 
If you have that much battery left, your usage is very light. Plain and simple. BTW, that LG watch is 40% bigger than the smallest Watch which is posited as lasting 18h.

My usage is typical usage. Not just charging it and then leaving on a desk but actually using it as a watch. Notifications buzzing now and then, walking (yesterday i did about 8,000 steps) using three step counters on the watch, checking the time, alarm going off at the end of my breaks/lunch time at work, google now and travel notifications, having a play with it now and then.

And it cost me £77 brand new/sealed.

I love Apple products. I use both Android and Apple. I have a Pebble also. But let's be realistic. The price Apple want for the Watch (not including some fancy strap) for the battery life you receive, is a bit rubbish. Yes, it looks nice but on a watch battery life is important.
 
Big Up for Apple for setting time back few centuries!

People actually buy watch that need to be re-charged everyday :D

It's really crazy :D If any watchmaker would have tried to sell watch with one day usage time ten years ago they would go bust. But when apple does it, ppl actually buys it.

Pebble did it right for first time: One week usage with one charge. That's the bare minimum you want from watch.

Good luck for everybody carrying those dead(out-of-power) weights on their wrists.

Prediction: In 2025 the three ppl still using "smart watches" will laugh that someone actually paid something for these things and did not demand more.
 
Big Up for Apple for setting time back few centuries!

People actually buy watch that need to be re-charged everyday :D

It's really crazy :D If any watchmaker would have tried to sell watch with one day usage time ten years ago they would go bust. But when apple does it, ppl actually buys it.

Pebble did it right for first time: One week usage with one charge. That's the bare minimum you want from watch.

Good luck for everybody carrying those dead(out-of-power) weights on their wrists.

Prediction: In 2025 the three ppl still using "smart watches" will laugh that someone actually paid something for these things and did not demand more.

I agree, which is why the battery life wasn't mentioned when it was first revealed (obviously, they were still optimising it). If Android Wear can generate days of life (and Android is Evil) surely Apple can.

Remember which handheld won? Gameboy. Why? Battery life. Even though Game Gear and Atari Lynx were superior in every way. We'll see what happens! :)
 
geez... come on Apple make the watch make us get out of bed too...


I'm always forgetting to wash behind me ears too....

(as if i would need any reminding of that..)

Thank goodness this is just a "dream" of me getting one
 
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Joanna probably didn't have the luxury of choosing which size review unit she got. I doubt that Apple sent any reviewer a 38mm.
Have any of the reviews said what size watch they got?

If you have that much battery left, your usage is very light. Plain and simple. BTW, that LG watch is 40% bigger than the smallest Watch which is posited as lasting 18h.
Eh, you can see what used the most battery in the Wear app. Who said they are reviewing the smaller Apple Watch?
 
That's good to know the battery will live up to what apple has said. I'll be honest,it was one of my biggest concerns.

They promised the worst, seems like they've delivered slightly-better-than-the-worst, and now everyone's happy and relieved instead of surprised and disappointed. Clever Apple.
 
I read the verge review and quite shocked how rubbish the battery is. This is without the screen being on all the time. wow. I will wait for the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Honestly, I think is a big weakness.

I have an LG G Watch (1st Gen one).
- Charged 100% at 11am yesterday
- Notifications on, set to tilt to view (same as Apple Watch)
- Jawbone Up, Sony Lifelog and Google Fit all tracking my steps and pushing to my phone
- Went to bed with the watch one (as UP tracks sleep) and the vibrating alarm wakes me up
- fast forward to now, it's 8.14am the following day.

Battery life left: 72%
(android wear est 2 days left).

I would be worried to use the Apple Watch at night due to running out of power.

The vast majority of the reviews were actually quite surprised at how well the battery work. The below is a more common review than "one time, after heavy usage, it was down to 10%"... Already labeled the best smartwatch out there and it hasn't even been released and has bad reviews. Not really sure what that says about the products that are already out there. I'm going to be getting one for sure... It looks so good and even better in person as what was reviewed.

Just posting for another opinion...

"After more than a week of daily use, Apple Watch has more than alleviated any concerns I had about getting through a day on a single charge. I noted the remaining charge when I went to bed each night. It was usually still in the 30s or 40s. Once it was still over 50 percent charged. Once, it was down to 27. And one day — last Thursday — it was all the way down to 5 percent. But that day was an exception — I used the watch for an extraordinary amount of testing, nothing at all resembling typical usage. I’m surprised the watch had any remaining charge at all that day. I never once charged the watch other than while I slept."

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Big Up for Apple for setting time back few centuries!

People actually buy watch that need to be re-charged everyday :D

It's really crazy :D If any watchmaker would have tried to sell watch with one day usage time ten years ago they would go bust. But when apple does it, ppl actually buys it.

Pebble did it right for first time: One week usage with one charge. That's the bare minimum you want from watch.

Good luck for everybody carrying those dead(out-of-power) weights on their wrists.

Prediction: In 2025 the three ppl still using "smart watches" will laugh that someone actually paid something for these things and did not demand more.

I don't know about most people, but each day I sleep 6-7 hours and I plug my iPhone in whether it is at 90% or 10%. Remarkably, when I wake up it is ready to go again.

It's probably just me then, but I take my Tassot watch off before I go to sleep and set it on my nightstand. So, when I get my Apple Watch, I will do exactly the same thing and it will charge right back to 100%.

The most common denominator of all the reviews was how Apple alleviated any concern the reviewer had with battery life. Battery life was one of the top three reasons people gave for not buying the watch.

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They promised the worst, seems like they've delivered slightly-better-than-the-worst, and now everyone's happy and relieved instead of surprised and disappointed. Clever Apple.

When have you ever seen where a company posts their new product and worst scenarios? It's usually best case scenario - right? At least that is what I have seen... I assume a car company wouldn't post the worse case scenario for miles per gallon?
 
Wow, you sure have an active imagination bud! Unless your obsessed with your watch (or a reviewer), it would easily last the day; the whole point of dozens of reviews, which you seemingly all skipped!

As for under-engineered, you must be kidding. Don't think you have a inkling about engineering or you wouldn't say something so preposterous.

BTW, 110 times is not a lot at all. Battery can go to 70% of initial charge in up to 400-500 full charge cycles. If they're not fully charged (charging at 20-30% average like many reviewers) this can go to about 800-1000 charge cycles (this is standard for all batteries). Apple said the battery is made to last on average 3 years if recharged each day : about 1000 charge cycles to get to 70%.

Fine, I'll say it again. IF I had the money, and IF I had not invested in so many Ant+ sensors, and IF I didn't already have a fenix Sapphire metal coming, I'd be all in on getting an Apple Watch.

I would be hoping like heck that the model I pre-ordered was actually going to ship on time, which is apparently an issue (SURPRISE! No lines, and no opening day watch for many)

I'm just pointing out that there are many 'smart watches' that have better battery life. Give it a couple of months and people 'really using it', and the impressions, the reviews, the 'bitch list' stuff will come pouring in.

I hope it succeeds, for Tim Cook's sake. We will see if this is a 'flash in the pan' fad item that sells hot for a month and drops, or if this will be a solid seller for them.

As in everything, 'Time will tell'...
 
Hard to know what exactly these reviewers were doing all day with the watch. Also this is the first round of "selected" reviewers, so they are most likely Apple sycophants that were just happy to get their hands on the watch without any real attempt to give it a critical review.

I'll wait for more real-life reviews. I am sure the battery will be good, but I mean I can drain a iPad, iPhone battery quickly for no apparent reason, or it can last 2 days+, so there is no rhyme or reason to battery usage on an iDevice and its more about what crappy app you are running rather than a fault of the hardware or OS.

But battery is just one of the many things I want to know about the Apple watch, I'm more interested in its usability outside of the hyped up use cases, like exercise or notifications.

Will this be a platform with a million usable apps, or a platform of 4 good apps and a million half baked ideas that go nowhere.

Yeah but even some of these first wavers were lukewarm about the usefulness of the device which I think speaks volumes
 
I think these battery life reviews are very encouraging. After all, these reviewers were reviewing the watch. Logic tells us they were looking at it and using it far more than someone who had the watch for a while and wasn't writing a review on it. Yet they all seemed to get battery life that lasted all day.

I think the heavy use would come in the first few weeks while the novelty value was still high, then the typical user is just going to use it for telling time, and the core reasons that they want this device.

I don't see it as a device to play games on, or spend hours staring at the screen.

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Having watched a number of reviews, I still think I'll get one.

What Apple seem to have done is hit on a number of areas, and I think early adopters will gravitate towards the areas that interest them. Some of the things it can do will never be used, but it's kind of nice that there are so many things it does do, so that someone can pick what works for them.

For me, I do like accurate time keeping, so we have that. I travel a LOT so I'd love the idea of having a watch that adapts to that, and I'd like it to also tell me the time back home, so I don't call or text my loved ones back home at an obnoxious time.

I used to have a FitBit and like it, but felt it was ugly, and wanted more. I'd be interested to use the Apple Watch to meet my fitness goals.

And I'd probably use it for limited VIP notifications (certainly not everything pinging my damn wrist every time something happens on the Internet!), and Apple Pay which I'm a big fan of.

What the reviews show me is that while not perfect, the core things I was hoping it would do, it does. It also shows me that I really like the look of the specific model I was wanting.

As for the reviews that took the watch to some so-called fashion experts from some website. That was kind of lame. I doubt these women could tell a Tag from a Patek. Besides which I don't need my taste in wrist wear to be evaluated by anyone else.
 
Which poster? Me? If so, I can show you all day long at how stainless steel Rolexes have appreciated over the years. Not that it has anything to do with this thread. What other watch mass produced watch manufacturer can sell a watch for $180 in the early '60s and they fetch $10,000 - $30,000 routinely today? Depending on condition and specific version. Talking about the Rolex Submariner here. Or one bought just 10 years ago, that even beat up will fetch more than the original selling price today when sold used.

I will give credit to Rolex for the brainwashing, they should have a chat with Apple.

If you buy a Submariner today it costs $8500. Plus tax. If you look on eBay, good ones from ten years ago cost $5900. Bad ones considerably less.

I'm looking now on eBay and there's some from the 1980s as much as $5100. Which sure is more than they probably cost in the 1980s. But they are old, scratched, the lume has discolored. I can't really imagine why anyone would be wanting to wear this aging watch today.

Let us not forget the cost of servicing it every five years, any repairs that may have been necessary too. I'm thinking at least an average of $150 a year.

Then if the owner insured it, there's a cost to that. A cost if they ever damaged it and needed it repaired. And the reality that if they had invested that money in something more sensible than a watch, what would that money be worth after thirty years?

So yeah, I think that when people talking about buying a mass produced watch as an 'investment' I think they are often times ignoring the hidden costs and using this excuse to justify a purchase that really isn't that necessary.

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So, if Rolexes are mechanically powered, how does our increasingly sedentary lifestyle keep it charged? :)
or since it only tells time and maybe the date, it doesn't need that much power? Or do you have to manually wind it sometimes? Just curious. I honestly don't know anyone with one to ask.

A decent mechanical watch is going to have a power reserve of about 40-50 hours or so when fully wound.

There is a small weight inside that can spin freely when the watch is moved, and this is what tops up the power reserve.

Even a lazy slob is going to move around enough during the day to keep it topped up. But if they are so lazy and so sedentary that the watch runs out of power, you can unscrew the crown and wind it the old fashioned way.
 
Well, my fears of the watch seem to be confirmed. I was wondering if Apple could make a watch that would last all day for me, and this tells me "no". If these review units were hitting low battery by midnight, I couldn't make it all day on one. I have the iPhone 6 Plus, and can't make it all day without recharging it before I leave work at the end of the day. Yet reviewers somehow get a day + out of the same phone. So with my battery consumption of the 6 Plus, I'm assuming that the watch would be completely dead before I left work.

Just had a thought. An unforeseen advantage of having an iwatch: better battery life on your phone because you're using it a little less.
 
And all this while I thought she's using Google Glass...
But reality hit hard on the head, that was really weird...
 
I think all the reviews praised the battery even the bad reviews. Easily made it through the day on heavy usage. Easily made it 18 hours and still not below 20% on heavy usage. Made it well into the second day without a charge on heavy usage. There was one review that said it made it to 10% at 7pm under heavy usage but also said he was impressed.

I don't think one review mentioned "fairly moderate usage" and not making it through the day. Please post...

However, if your iPhone 6+ (that's what I have) can't make it to 5pm without dropping to 10%, you are right! :) Though if I was your boss, I would wonder what you do and why you don't plug it in. Kidding...
I seen no scientific proof/testing like what Apple did in the reviewer testing.
So the reviewer battery life is moot without any real data/proof to back up EXACTLY the functions performed and the battery duration.
 
I seen no scientific proof/testing like what Apple did in the reviewer testing.
So the reviewer battery life is moot without any real data/proof to back up EXACTLY the functions performed and the battery duration.

That is a very good point and a very valid post. Agreed 100%.
 
WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT??? these are not bad reviews. these are generally superlative reviews. the verge guy should perhaps have taken a bit less of his week to film his epic video review and spent that time learning to use the ****** watch. he said too many notifications, and also said too many options for turning notifications off! lol. well my friend, you done tripped right over the answer to all you problems. a little less steven spielberg video reviewing, a little more.. reviewing.... and the woman in the shower was just trying to be funny. that wasn't a serious review at all. so. thanks for all the entertainment. but. not. in general, these reviews were balanced, noting both good and bad things, and intelligent. and in general they were superlative. it means comments of character of the highest level. it means they think it's probably a game-changer. maybe not for everyone, but what is for everyone. and maybe there are many things to be bettered in v2.. well, yeah. that's how things work. they get as good as they can for launch. they launch. they take their punches. and then they get better. don't tell me you were born yesterday and don't understand this about the tech world. sheesh. buncha children.
He's using it wrong!
 
what do YOU consider a flop? reviews or sales numbers? Because last time I checked, Apple had BILLION of DOLLARS, not good or bad reviews..I love how you think you know Apples profit margin and profitability percentages. Its already a success because it 1) spike interest in Apple 2) created another niche industry in app development 3) created a resurgence in competition in the smart watch market. They upped the ante

so...explain again how you think its a flop?

Its a flop because even sympathetic reviewers are saying wait until the next version. Its a flop because after the long awaited entry of apple into the smart watch category, some reviewers are questioning the rational for smart watches, generally. Its a flop because apple fanbois are taking the rejection of "apples most personal device"...personally!
 
Its a flop because even sympathetic reviewers are saying wait until the next version. Its a flop because after the long awaited entry of apple into the smart watch category, some reviewers are questioning the rational for smart watches, generally. Its a flop because apple fanbois are taking the rejection of "apples most personal device"...personally!

I would assume a flop would be based only on sales - right? If every review was positive and raved and it only sold 100 units, that is a flop. If every review was bad and it sold 100mm it isn't a flop no matter what the reviews say or the rationale for smart watches.

So, by you saying it is a flop for the reasons you gave makes your statement a flop to be honest.
 
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