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These figures are completely meaningless because Apple don't release sales figures for the watch -

all this is saying is this quarter's made up figure is a lower percentage of the total market than last quarter's made up figure. The total market figure is probably made up too due to the lack of hard numbers from Apple

Some can be deduced given that Apple Watch falls under "other" and they did report revenue/%s there
 
This round of smartwatches was a fad, the devices are all too limited and depend far too much on the phone - it's a business-driven thing that's falling flat on its face and quickly dying off. Let's hope the next round makes smartwatches actually smart.
 
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Apple hasn't really Wowed anyone since Steve Jobs passing. It's obvious now that something is missing. Apple is slow to update Macs and when they do, it's barely incremental. Even their star product, the iPhone is now suffering declining sales for lack of innovation. And it seems it will continue to suffer as the iPhone 7 looks to be a minor update and not the radical redesign usually reserved for the non S models. Cook is a numbers man. Not an innovator like Steve. And now the numbers are declining. Apple needs a true visionary at its helm again.

I'm building a new PC right now after going back and forth over going to a mac. In the end I came to the conclusion that I can build a Mac pro for the cost of a 21.5" iMac. Sure, its not going to be as pretty and it will take some space and be a Windows machine, but I can service it if I need to and it will do a lot more for a lot less.

Maybe Apple needs to consider what Microsoft learned long ago that selling software is more stable than cool things only some people actually want... Because competition...And this ain't an iMac....

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I just like mine. It's quirky, but that's okay.

I've just been burned so many times by the alternatives to the iOS ecosystem. The Apple Watch *could* be better, but it works pretty well IMO. Battery being the biggest issue.
 
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I'm undecided on whether I'll upgrade to AW2. It's kinda pricey, especially as I've committed to keeping the first-gen model like I did with the original iPhone and iPad. But if the AW is going to be on 18 month cycles then I might, as I'm not sure if I could put up with this slower model through spring 2018. It's bearable, and it's convenient to glance at alerts or complications like weather, but trying to access data on it isn't faster—and I might even say much slower—than just pulling out my iPhone. Here's to hoping the difference between AW and AW2 is the same as the difference between the iPad and iPad 2.

I kept my 1st gen iPad, and still use it ocassionally as a back up. I take it places I don't want to take my primary iPad, and use it for less intensive tasks, like reading books. I'd look at the Watch the same way.

Here's the thing, everybody keeps looking at the watch as a commodity, a digital device that needs to be constantly upgraded for the latest features like a phone. Instead, we should be looking at it like a watch.

There's a reason Apple quickly made it possible to pair more than one watch with your iPhone. Because watch people tend to collect them. People who wear watches usually have more than one that they wear on different occasions, even if only to coordinate with different outfits. I had a sport watch, and a daily wear watch, as well as a formal watch. When Apple comes out with a new design, it may have a few new features, but it's not going to obsolete the original watch, which I would expect Apple to continue selling. The current watch will still be stylish, and still do the most basic essentials, and there will almost always be a place where you can wear it instead of the new one, if only to get people talking about your first gen watch at a party.

But Apple has stepped into the deep end of an established industry that offers a wide variety of styles with a myriad of options its customers have come to expect, for no other reason than they will be wearing them. Try as Apple might, they aren't going to change this. Watch bands will only go so far to expanding market share. Likewise with new tech. People don't like to wear the same thing as everybody else.

Making the watch agnostic to platform will open up the product to more market share, but by all accounts there's not much market for the smartwatch, whether Apple dominates it or not. And that's the real issue here.

Apple made a beautiful and functional smartwatch. But people don't buy watches and jewelry based on a single model that receives incremental upgrades every year or two that looks like everybody else's, much less that looks like something they don't want to buy -- I.e. A smartwatch. But make that smartwatch look like something they do want to buy -- a classic wristwatch, or stylish cuff bracelet, and suddenly people will embrace the technology that comes built into it.

Like the original iPad, I hope the gen 2 watch brings some amazing physical transformations from caterpillar to butterfly, and manages to make the transition from smartwatch to fashion wearable. Otherwise, I feel like Apple will be stuck with an attractive, high quality smartwatch offering, with limited appeal to a wider market. And I suppose if That's all Apple expects then that's fine. But that goal certainly seems much smaller than the one I thought Apple had in mind when they launched the watch over 18 months ago.
 
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Apple made a beautiful and functional smartwatch. But people don't buy watches and jewelry based on a single model that receives incremental upgrades every year or two that looks like everybody else's, much less that looks like something they don't want to buy -- I.e. A smartwatch. But make that smartwatch look like something they do want to buy -- a classic wristwatch, or stylish cuff bracelet, and suddenly people will embrace the technology that comes built into it.
You've got it. It needs more real design options, not just a range of different straps and finishes.
 
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Fix Siri to full functionality, limited touching of face, offer a variety of watch styles, make a true sports watch, problem solved.
 
I am waiting for version 2 and will buy it sight unseen.

First edition of a product is often not ideal from any company.

Headline should read - Apple loses marketshare to other companies who are giving their watch away...meanwhile...they continue to make money.

(The Samsung watches were being included like forever at our local AT&T store - odd thing is on black Friday they had a bunch for $1 with a new phone and it took them days to unload them)
Did you see the latest Apple financial news here on MR? They lost billions in sales and stock. I mean there is no doom and gloom but they are not making the money like they used to. So you can't just throw the whole money and profits response out there.
 
Sorry but sales equals market share...then leads to profits. The more sales.....the more market share. They go hand in hand. You need to have sales to gain market share and those two add to profits.

Apple has proven that by selling fewer items than the competition they can make more money. HP, by contrast, has proven that by selling more items than the competition, they can make less money. So what was that you were saying about the importance of marketshare?
 
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Not surprising. Apple Watch is a terrible product.

My Garmin is more fitness oriented, and lasts 5-8 days, while continuously monitoring heartrate and sleep cycles. And pairs to bike and fitness accessories.
Charge while in shower once a week.

AppleWatch misses on every mark, except fashion.
Others have function.
AppleWatch has form.
They need to combine and win on form+function.
 
Still the same calls for vision and pricedrops. In the meantime, my friend who has bought android wear a months ago, is still figuring out what he is going to use it for.
That watch isn't about individual opinions, price, or battery life, but about usefulness. These tend to not be obvious. Like the replying to a text with without having to put down your groceries, or getting a discrete tap to notify you of a text. It's not about all that at all.. That's what no one gets.
 
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Make it waterproof and iPhone-free.

Problem solved.


I'm wearing it while under the shower after my workout in the gym all the time and never had a problem with it.
But I would never swim with it, because you can't use it with water on the display anyway, so why?
 
The biggest issue is price. Apple always on first gen products charge more, then usually adjusts price. It was adjusted but still need some work sport 38mm should be $199.00 42mm 249.00. Stainless $329.00 38mm $399.00 42mm. Sport bands $34.99, milanese $79.00, leather loops $79.00, modern buckles $99.00, stainless bands $189.00.
If that were the price, I would get two
 
Apple does NOT want to sell a $10,000+ watch.

Why offer it? It is a sales technique - makes the apple watch sport appear more affordable (which is pretty affordable given that some of the fitbit stuff runs $245)
 
Please share how you use the stylus. Pictures, art, note taking, or forms?

I use the Pencil pretty much solely for sketching/art. It is something I've always wanted to get better at. I still don't do it as much as I'd like to. I've struggled to find a reason to use the pencil or any stylus for photography purposes.

I use my SP4 at work for taking notes pretty regularly, and prior to that used a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 extensively. The days of going through a paper notepad every month are over. :)
 
Apple does NOT want to sell a $10,000+ watch.

Why offer it? It is a sales technique - makes the apple watch sport appear more affordable (which is pretty affordable given that some of the fitbit stuff runs $245)
If it's a sales technique it's more like "this watch is so special, people get it gilded"
 
Android Smart watches will eventually surpass Apple Watches simply because a lot more manufacturers are making Android compared to Apple. Thats the troof!
 
WTF does a plant have to do with anything?. Ivy, sheesh...
A plant has to do with everything. You don't water it and feed it right, it'll die. Wait what are we talking about? My bad, auto correct and I typed too quickly. Is this better... Jonathan I've? ;)
 
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The problems with the watch are numerous, poor battery, paired to a phone, square shaped, etc... But it's number one problem was and will be for the foreseeable future the fact that people have given up wearing watches. I don't know anyone under forty that wears a watch, smart or otherwise. This isn't the 1940's or 1950's. Apple has to convince younger people to strap a computer to their wrist and use it for what? Basically all the same things you could do with your phone except slower and on small screen. That is a huge problem to overcome, throw in the added expense and myriad of band and style choices and you have a recipe for disaster. Which is unfolding as we speak. Everyone who wanted the watch has one, now what? I don't wear watches for everyday use, I have a few that I use as jewelry and that's it.

People don't wear hats anymore either is Apple going to try and make a smart hat? What next smart underwear? It'll give you a tap on the butt when it needs to be changed? Taking "dumb" devices and adding "smart" to it is not innovation. Look at Nest with their loony lineup of products. How long before Google pulls the plug on that loser?

Is there another revolutionary product somewhere on the horizon, probably. Will it come from Apple? Who knows?
 
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