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Apples interest in health is something really cool, we have only seen the beginning of this.
Imagine in 10 years what they will be able to do.

Excuse my cynicism, but I seem to remember that when Apple launched HealthKit it was meant to mark the start of a new era in healthcare, and how long ago was that?
 
Must be 22 or older... damn.
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Weirdly, this is one of the "killer" apps that might make me get an Apple Watch.

Some family members were recently diagnosed with heart arrhythmias, so it's something that's been on my mind lately. It'll be interesting to see how accurate it is. If it's accurate enough, should it also be possible/advisable to call emergency services in the event of a serious cardiac event?
“Killer” for who? Apple Watch, Apple or the patient?
 
Apple Watch has two types of sensors. Throughout the day it uses the infrared low power sensor to check heart rate. This is done every ten minutes and I think you have to be not moving too much. If you start a work out then it uses the green led based sensor throughout your workout. This might consume slightly more battery. Compared to this the Fitbit charge HR uses the led based sensor throughout the day with an interval of a few seconds and gives good battery life. Obviously Apple Watch does more work than a Fitbit. I still think 10 minute interval is way too large to get accurate samples. I almost didn’t buy the watch due to this reason but I am very happy with it.
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I always wonder who reads the entire terms and conditions for such an app. I am sure there would a lot of legal mumbo jumbo about they owning all your data once you sign up.
Yeah I read through a lot of it, there's the usual tracking information and of course health related details. But nothing alarming. I probably give more data away using Safari and Facebook then a heart study app.
 
I don't think you understood my question. If the Apple watch by itself is sufficient for the study, then what the heck does that say about the $199 Kardia band? Who needs it?

You're correct...I did not understand your question. The Heart Study seems to be looking for a few specific things (A-Fib and maybe some other things, I can't recall). The watch band is an all-purpose ECG device. There are a myriad of heart conditions that can be identified with an accurate ECG readout.
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Talking snake oil.

That Kardiaband shot shows an animation of a generic Sinus Rhythm. It's a simulated image. Not your personal ECG. That is electronically impossible without a full diagnostic lead placement. But. It looks good dunnit? It is irresponsible to assume all arrhythmias are AF attributable as it is to assume that a regular rhythm will always be SA node based and/or 'Normal'. But it sells hardware.

Upshot: Leave it to the professionals. Cheaper. Quicker and safer.

I don't think you understand how FDA approval works in the U.S. A 'snake oil' product will not receive FDA approval. Period. The process to obtain FDA approval is incredibly long and thorough. It is not for the faint of heart (no pun intended).
 
So do you have to wear the watch on your wrist 24/7 to be a part of this?

NOBODY can wear it 24/7. It has to come off to be charged.
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What I'd imagine - if possible and if the device is accurate enough - is a sliding scale of responses:

"Hi User, your heart-rate is showing some minor abnormalities. You should mention this on your next visit to your health professional".
"Hi User, your heart-rate is showing significant abnormalities. You should contact your health professional as soon as is practical".
"Hi User, we are detecting a major cardiac event. Dialling emergency services (or your personal emergency point-of-contact) in 10 seconds, please press Cancel if not incapacitated".

Next response:

Hi friend of the user: Apparently the original user just stroked out. We can tell you exactly what time it happened with the app installed on his phone. Oops. No we can not. Damn hippa.
 
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Very good use of the technology. The watch is already collecting the data. So having an app with a model that can in real time detect a potentially deadly condition is great.

I hope they bring that glucose monitor that Tim Cook was seen wearing to market soon. With 10% of populations of many countries having diabetes, this would be a big market and potentially lifesaving for millions.
 
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Enrolled when I saw the article this morning, joining the thread to keep update on what is going on, wonder how long the acceptance or denial will take.
 
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I’ve always said “most people didn’t die of their first arrhythmia, they died of their last arrhythmia.”

If the earlier ones that were just transient were detected sooner, and remedied, many would avoid strokes and earlier death.

That said, we may find that arrhythmia is more common and/frequent than is realized, such that it may have some natural function like clearing out clots or exercising the heart muscle in a particular way. We may learn that only certain types of arrhythmia are to be avoided.

There will be much learned as the depth and breadth of heart rhythms is studied over very large groups.

We are standing on the precipice of a golden age of medical learning furthered by personal monitoring devices.
 
Snake oil, I doubt it. The sheer investment and FDA Approval (long involved process), lends credibility to the device/app. Sure the image in the ad is very carefully created, every ad on TV always says "Simulated".
Back before the watch, my brother and I were using an app called "Heart Rate Free", he was having issues with a condition I can't name, but he was measuring his heart rate one day and saw that he was having an irregular heart rate, he call his cardiologist and he was told go to his office immediately, then went to the hospital. App uses camera on the rear and the LED Light to illuminate your finger when placed over the lens/LED area. Works great and is available for all iPhones.
 
Excuse my cynicism, but I seem to remember that when Apple launched HealthKit it was meant to mark the start of a new era in healthcare, and how long ago was that?

HealthKit came with IOS 8 I believe.
Really not that long ago, and also I think there is a lot going on behind the curtains that the public’s not aware about.
 
I'm rolling my eyes at the potential for an unhealthy positive feedback loop.

Your watch notifies you of an irregular heart rhythm, which in turn increases the irregularity of your already (supposedly) irregular heart rhythm; so your watch notifies you again, which proceeds to up your heart rate even more; thus your watch notifies you yet again...

And the next week we read in the papers: "Apple Watch Kills Man. Autopsy Reveals Perfectly Healthy Heart."


Unlikely, I know. :rolleyes: I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that, before we fall in love with supposedly helpful technologies, we ought to consider all their potential effects - both good, and bad.

....My blood pressure always goes up from normal when heavy handed nurses and machines take my blood pressure. I know the squeeze is gonna hurt!
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Very good use of the technology. The watch is already collecting the data. So having an app with a model that can in real time detect a potentially deadly condition is great.

I hope they bring that glucose monitor that Tim Cook was seen wearing to market soon. With 10% of populations of many countries having diabetes, this would be a big market and potentially lifesaving for millions.

My doctor is considering an AW S3 LTE for his wife to communicate with the diabetes-monitor "chip" (don't really know what to call it) installed in her abdomen and replaced every two weeks. Was coolest part of my annual physical to show him how my S3 LTE works! Her current communication device fits in her palm, he said.
 
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My doctor is considering an AW S3 LTE for his wife to communicate with the diabetes-monitor "chip" (don't really know what to call it) installed in her abdomen and replaced every two weeks. Was coolest part of my annual physical to show him how my S3 LTE works! Her current communication device fits in her palm, he said.

Hopefully soon the technology will advance to the point she does not have to have something invasive. The prototype I saw looked like a piece tape and did not go through the skin.

We live in amazing times!
[doublepost=1512093687][/doublepost]Anyone know how different this is from this heart monitoring band the FDA just approved for the Watch? They sounds like they are doing the same thing.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/30/fda-clears-alivecor-apple-watch-band-medical-use/
 
How were you accepted already? Everyone is just getting a prompt to alert you to receive a notification when you can enroll.

Well, I was really trying be a little witty and ironic, LOL.

But it did show “Welcome and Thank You. You are part of the Apple Heart Study...”.

And it shows that I’ve made “1 Heart Rythm Data Contributions”.
 
In an event of serious cardiac event I would call ambulance. Due to the fact that most arrhythmia's are fatal and require Defibrillation. Afib is fairly common and not too concerning, but other heart rhythms are extremely dangerous
No, most in fact are not fatal. Doesn’t mean they don’t need treatment, though.
 
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I just signed up and was accepted. Does the widget go on my watch face or does this just run in the background and send me a notification if something goes wrong?

Chris
 
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