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Apple Watch Received Estimated 1 Million Pre-Orders in U.S. on April 10
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Well as they say, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
From articles I've read this isn't about what Apple is capable of. It is a question of the law. And not just here in the US but in all territories that the Watch is sold.
See the more health information you track, report, and monitor, the more you start to cross into a medical device. Once you cross that line you are talking years of research, testing, trials and so on, with each country having its own say so as to what tolerances and information can be provided.
I think if Apple had followed your advice and gone too medical, the product would never have been launched, since getting each country to sign off on the product would have been a nightmare. Even if they had jumped through all the FDA hoops, and only released in the US it would have been troublesome.
Well, the 38mm Apple Watch Edition weighs 55g (69g for the 42mm). Let's assume that ALL of that is gold (i.e. there are no electronics or anything else -- just 55g of gold). According to this site, the gold would be worth $2120 ($2657 for the 42mm). So the gold in it can't possibly be worth more, and will of course be less, since you have to account for the other parts of the watch. There is an huge amount of profit in the Edition, especially since it's the same exact design as the other watches -- just in gold.
(EDIT: Forgot to select the 18 karat option on the site, which actually reduces the prices above by 25% or so).
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If you don't understand the difference between trolling and discussion/discourse, that's a problem needing rectifying but it also indicates that you don't intend to come off as a troll. If someone does understand the difference (which I think *most* trolls do, and you are not one I count in that regard), well, I think that says it all.
The point here is not to say things that quash discussion or things that are going to make people defensive. It's not that opinions are not welcome, but one must ask oneself why one's opinion 1) matters or 2) what it might add to the discussion, before posting. The vast majority of opinions "offered" on this forum are people who come across as arrogant, as if their "I don't want one, it's crap" opinion matters. It's obvious their intentions are to declare themselves superior and all others who disagree inferior, stupid, moronic, etc. Being argumentative for argumentative's sake, well, that's another favoured tactic used by trolls. We're here to discuss, all opinions are welcome, but throwing a flaming bag of crap in a room for effect isn't discussion or discourse, and those "I don't want one" or "this is a crap device" is about as far away from promoting or encouraging discussion as one can get.
Here a most perfect example of what I'm talking about:
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As for the estimates of this (back on the topic of this thread), I think regardless whether they're accurate or not, the fact they've sold out indicates it's doing well so far, and I would assume they're going to spend at least the next few/several months playing catch up to demand - that indicates a pretty good success. I don't really care about this whole "they beat Samsung in sales" crap - the whole competition aspect of products and devices is ludicrous. If you like the product, if it makes you happy, what does it matter to me personally whether it's Apple or Samsung. I'm happy with my choice, others I hope are happy with theirs, that's all that matters.
As for this device specifically, I am incredibly amazed at the technology advances the industry (and specifically Apple in this device) has made, look how far in such a short time things have come (comments such as "mediocre" ignore this part). I'm a watch wearer, love wearing a watch (utility not fashion, but I want it to look nice at the same time), so this device will tick all the boxes, realising it's a v1 product I'll probably buy the Sport, use it mainly for time telling, date, calendar/meeting reminders *mainly* and in parallel I'll enjoy watching developers, Apple and users come up with more exciting uses for it over the coming months. Fun product, exciting new product category, good times ahead.
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I'm skeptical about the numbers (low or high). We've either got Gene Munster type anecdotal data or some analytic firm looking to get their name out there and drum up business.
RE: Nine thirty and why doesn't the watch do heart and cancer
Apple tested blood pressure and It did not work on 15 percent of.the population with hairy arms or subcutaneous fat under the skin. They tested people for two years on treadmills. You have to get FDA approval for a noninvasive device. Apple was limited by time for this version but watch 2 will have it. Same is true for infrared for blood sugar. It is 85 percent effective and it will have to much higher to get that FDA approval. Since I am prediabetic I would like to see my sugar level throughout the day. The science needs.to advance before real diabetics could use it instead of blood testing and insulin injection. Expect it watch 3!!
Apple tested blood pressure and It did not work on 15 percent of.the population with hairy arms or subcutaneous fat under the skin. They tested people for two years on treadmills. You have to get FDA approval for a noninvasive device. Apple was limited by time for this version but watch 2 will have it. Same is true for infrared for blood sugar. It is 85 percent effective and it will have to much higher to get that FDA approval. Since I am prediabetic I would like to see my sugar level throughout the day. The science needs.to advance before real diabetics could use it instead of blood testing and insulin injection. Expect it watch 3!!
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And when it does those things and serves a real purpose in my life aside from buzzing each time I get an email, I'll be on board. Until then, these folks can beta test to their heart's content.
As a shareholder for the last 8 years, I am very happy that Apple can get away with this large of a profit and people still buy it. Sounds more like a compliment to the company and their products than a slam.
They have added elements to the gold to make it even harder to scratch and lowering the total weight of actual gold as well. Good or bad, Apple should be applauded for the superior craftsmanship of their products that everyone wants one and people who don't want one spend all day trying to tell people why they don't want one. Lol
I'm fed up of this bull. Look at the FaceTime introduction. Steve Jobs casually sits down and makes a video call, and the crowd looses its ****. 'We dreamed of this and now it's real.'
Yet it required wi-fi. Like Skype on your laptop. We ignore this, and focus on how amazing FaceTime is.
Tim Cook introduces a watch that can make calls, like something from a sci fi film.
Yet it requires an iPhone. Now people react in the opposite way: ignoring implementation and moaning about technology.
I've said it before: Apple is not failing when compared to any other company. It only fails when comparing it to what we think Imagianary Apple should be doing, or what we think it would be doing if Steve Jobs were still alive.
You are making way to much sense for this forum. I will never understand why I should care about beating Android or why somebody elses choice is inferior.
In the end we all buy what works best for us.
Unfortunately the anonymity of a username and keyboard can bring the worst out in people.
You should see the stuff people post on sports forums. From racists to just downright low life behavior everything is represented.
Humans are just not a nice species as we see every day when they destroy nature and their own kind
heh.. that kinda sucks.. my first response to you was one showing interest in discussing what you brought up.. the ability to monitor our blood.. that technology is already out there in some form or another but for apple to tie it up in a package which covers legal, technological, and even moral hurdles? sorry, it's not happening yet.. we, as a society, aren't ready for it yet..
that's my opinion on what we could of been discussing..
you're only concerned with saying 'my mind isn't blown'.. well, so what.. who gives a crap.. it might not be boring for you to talk about but get out of your shell and realize it's pretty damn boring for other to discuss your personal level of mindblownness..
Well, you made too much sense so they only comeback is to tell us yet again why he isn't buying one.
Aww muffin. This bull is too much for you, huh? Then start living in the real world. Maybe I shouldn't have used the keynote audience as an example. As we all know, they're content to lose their **** over a feature that every other competing product has had for years already (and side note so we don't go down this track, yeah, Apple usually does it better - we all appreciate that).
People have dreamed of holographic interfaces like the ones we see in Minority Report too, but we all know how that plays out for real - gorilla arms. It's awful.
People dreamed of watches they could talk to other people on but we never really thought about portable phones. But we have those now, and holding one to your face and speaking to someone else happens to make a lot of sense. So now we have the technology to lend that capability from the phone you must have, to a watch on your wrist for what? Convenience? Is it really that convenient? Is taking the one device I can't live without (and need for this watch) out of my pocket in order to speak with someone that bad? Did the watch really just solve some massive problem we all have? No.
I'm not even bitching about the fact that it needs your phone (although if you think about it, that is kind of pathetic). I'm saying the features the watch comes loaded with aren't amazing. All of these things I can do with my phone, and easier on my phone.
I know you'll tell me this isn't your job and you don't need to, but if you really believe the watch is that amazing, then I'd really appreciate if you could describe a few use cases for me where the phone falls short and watch swoops in and saves the day and makes my life so much easier. The kinds of use cases where I'll honestly read what you have to say and go "Wow, he's right - that is amazing." Because if you're able to do that, I'll say I didn't consider everything and that you might be right.
But you aren't going to do that. You're going to dismiss me as a troll and say you aren't going to waste your time, that I'd never change my mind anyway or whatever. I'll swear on anything you like - convince me right now why this thing is amazing and why I'm being narrow minded when it comes to it's usefulness - and I'll be dead honest in my reaction. No bias, no nothing. I'm open to being educated.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
People have dreamed of holographic interfaces like the ones we see in Minority Report too, but we all know how that plays out for real - gorilla arms. It's awful.
People dreamed of watches they could talk to other people on but we never really thought about portable phones. But we have those now, and holding one to your face and speaking to someone else happens to make a lot of sense. So now we have the technology to lend that capability from the phone you must have, to a watch on your wrist for what? Convenience? Is it really that convenient? Is taking the one device I can't live without (and need for this watch) out of my pocket in order to speak with someone that bad? Did the watch really just solve some massive problem we all have? No.
I'm not even bitching about the fact that it needs your phone (although if you think about it, that is kind of pathetic). I'm saying the features the watch comes loaded with aren't amazing. All of these things I can do with my phone, and easier on my phone.
I know you'll tell me this isn't your job and you don't need to, but if you really believe the watch is that amazing, then I'd really appreciate if you could describe a few use cases for me where the phone falls short and watch swoops in and saves the day and makes my life so much easier. The kinds of use cases where I'll honestly read what you have to say and go "Wow, he's right - that is amazing." Because if you're able to do that, I'll say I didn't consider everything and that you might be right.
But you aren't going to do that. You're going to dismiss me as a troll and say you aren't going to waste your time, that I'd never change my mind anyway or whatever. I'll swear on anything you like - convince me right now why this thing is amazing and why I'm being narrow minded when it comes to it's usefulness - and I'll be dead honest in my reaction. No bias, no nothing. I'm open to being educated.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
Sales could even be low when you consider China had 20mm in pre-orders for the iPhone 6/6+ which was double the US. Who knows.. who cares... People will tell you over and over again why they don't want the watch, why the watch won't sell and where Apple missed the mark. All the while Apple will keep selling more and more and keep posting record profits and p1ssing off the people who want it to fail, don't like Apple, don't like fans of Apple, like other products.
You are making way to much sense for this forum. I will never understand why I should care about beating Android or why somebody elses choice is inferior.
In the end we all buy what works best for us.
Unfortunately the anonymity of a username and keyboard can bring the worst out in people.
You should see the stuff people post on sports forums. From racists to just downright low life behavior everything is represented.
Humans are just not a nice species as we see every day when they destroy nature and their own kind
For me, it's not specifically about beating android, but more that blowing away their sales numbers is a sign that Apple can once again lead the way in a product market and make it mainstream in 2-3 years. The more people that come on board, the better it is for the watch in the long term. If numbers like this are real, it will persuade app companies to put some serious thought and resources into it.
"The least fashionable" is obviously very subjective. I like the look of it quite a bit and find it sleek looking. I am probably like a lot of people that didn't want to spend the extra $200 on SS (for one reason or another- 1st gen product, or simply don't have an extra $200!) and liked the space gray aluminum more than the silver. To me the silver aluminum looks a little cheap. The black-on-black of space gray with black band may be understated but in a hip way I think. And not that this is the goal, but I think it'll still be easily recognizable as an apple watch.
I want that black leather magnetic band... but I'll be damned if I'm dropping $150 on it!
These watch strap prices are obscene. The Watch itself is a tiny bit over priced based on what it is and the market but holy hell, what are they thinking with the straps?
These watch strap prices are obscene. The Watch itself is a tiny bit over priced based on what it is and the market but holy hell, what are they thinking with the straps?
Has anyone seen any photos or renderings of the apple watch sport space gray with a milanese loop?
I'm debating between getting that combination (as I like the contrasts / looks different) and is reasonably cheaper (also getting two bands).
On the contrary, the duller look of the aluminum casing against a milanese loop may look odd. Ideally I would want the space gray stainless steel variety, but not looking foward to dropping $1,000 on something so experimental.
I'm debating between getting that combination (as I like the contrasts / looks different) and is reasonably cheaper (also getting two bands).
On the contrary, the duller look of the aluminum casing against a milanese loop may look odd. Ideally I would want the space gray stainless steel variety, but not looking foward to dropping $1,000 on something so experimental.
Sales could even be low when you consider China had 20mm in pre-orders for the iPhone 6/6+ which was double the US. Who knows.. who cares... People will tell you over and over again why they don't want the watch, why the watch won't sell and where Apple missed the mark. All the while Apple will keep selling more and more and keep posting record profits and p1ssing off the people who want it to fail, don't like Apple, don't like fans of Apple, like other products.
They'll say all that and then when some sales estimate comes out they'll act shocked that the numbers aren't higher.
Haters gonna hate but here's the reality
By all measures, Apple has exceeded sales expectations, yet again. There is plenty to criticize with the way the roll out is being handled and some lackluster reviews, etc. But there were a lot of people laughing and pointing fingers at a sure fired failure. No matter how one feels about the watch, it's safe to say these people were mistaken.
By all measures, Apple has exceeded sales expectations, yet again. There is plenty to criticize with the way the roll out is being handled and some lackluster reviews, etc. But there were a lot of people laughing and pointing fingers at a sure fired failure. No matter how one feels about the watch, it's safe to say these people were mistaken.
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While I think the Apple Watch is a totally un-needed product, it is pretty cool and looks nice.
A limited edition collectable watch will still sought after over time. It's very price is what makes it desirable. Same as piece of Jewellery. Gold weight has very little to do with it.
A Rolex that cost 14K still only cost 2K to make.
$6K stainless omega seamaster cost - ready for this 525.95 swiss francs (about 538USD) unit price to make. I've seen the unit cost breakdown.
$27K Bremont Wright Flyer about $3-4K Unit cost.
Point is if the numbers are fairly limited. Collectors will buy it if it's in good condition... and so long as Apple think about the longevity and allow batteries to be replaced in the future and the software to continue to work.
Strap locking mechanism will probably be the same in 3 years. the shape and design allows for the case to get much much thinner over time - and I am sure they will release new ones each year and Diamond is the only thing scratching that screen.
And one thing you are really, really forgetting. Is that anyone that can drop $17K on any watch really doesn't give a donkeys doodads on spending that kind of money. They are same people that will not blink spending 5K a night for a hotel room or 120K on a new car every 6 months.
It doesn't work the way you explain. Once you make a luxury product, you make it for people who are okay with paying huge profits to the makers of those products. Buyers don't pay for the raw material, they pay for the exclusivity. They can't show off with an aluminum watch that sells over a million in a day.
Also, think about Apple. Why would they ever make a gold watch if they earned the same amount per watch as they make from a steel watch? You invest for a different manufacturing process and marketing, you remodel your stores, put safes, train people to sell the gold watch, and at the end, you sell 1/100 of the regular models and make 1/100 of what you earn from those regular models. Apple knows that there is a market for a luxury Apple Watch and they go for it. Otherwise they wouldn't even bother.