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It's not stand-alone outside of those times you're using it for fitness--meaning, without an iPhone, you can't use it at all. First thing you need to do to even "wake up" the watch is pair it with an iPhone. You need the phone to upgrade software onto the watch and put apps on the watch, or to download a playlist of music onto the watch.

So, while the AW2 will be able to chart your calories and such on a run or hike walk or swim, and, thanks to GPS, know where you are, and even give you music to listen to on the run, walk or hike...it's not iPhone free by any stretch. Remember, it's also about being able to get messages on your wrist, phone calls if you want, mail, reminders, etc. All that requires the iPhone.

So. It's kinda chained to the iPhone for now and probably will be for a few more years at least.

Cheers, thanks a lot for the details!
 
Love my first gen watch. Trying to figure out why people need more than one day of battery life; is it strictly so they can track their sleeping habits or for some other reason. I always take my watch off and have a stand with the charger attached that allows me to easily charge it.
 
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Apple actually succeeded as pushing it as a high fashion accessory. If you put it in the right band on it you can wear it in a formal setting.
Really? You think the Apple Watch is a success story in Vogue circles? I'm certainly not there myself, but I've seen no evidence to suggest fashion models, celebs, etc wear it at home (unless they are being sponsored to wear it).
Many women buy it because of the band selection and colours.
Are they fashionable women? Honestly, I don't know. I live in a pretty fashionable city and don't see any fashionable (read: sophisticated) women wear it.
What they are doing now is catering to specific uses and getting better at fitness to broaden its appeal to others.
Yes, as opposed to creating a device cater-made to that market. My argument is that Apple has lost its focus with products since they first positioned the Watch as a fashion accessory and now the same Watch as a fitness tool. Can it be both? No, I don't think it can.
 
I honestly don't understand the point of standalone GPS on the Apple Watch. Why not just use the phone's GPS? I can't see any situation where you'd have your watch but not your phone with you.

Swimming, running, biking, hiking. I bring my phone and use GPS for some of these activities much of the time. It would be nice to leave it at home a little more often.
 
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wow 20% battery gone listening to music and a 20min Jog thats terrible, the original apple watch was never going to last a marathon and neither will this. These reviews confirm my decision to sell my AW1 and use my Garmin everyday instead
 
While i think the watch has great potential with the GPS addition - no serious athlete will consider this.

most of us require usage of ANT+ sensors and while bluetooth sensors are gaining ground - it's still not there.

4 hours of GPS is not functional.

Some unserious ones might though.
 
Don't know much about anywhere else in the world, but apples have traditionally been one of the costliest mainstream fruits available for purchase in India, if not the most costly. ;)
That's very interesting! I know that apples require very specific climates and such. I live in a state where we get good apples...but a friend of mine once brought me apples from a state that had the perfect climate for apple groves, and produced types I'd never heard of before. I used these apples to make an apple pie and it was the *best* apple pie I'd ever had in my life. Apples may be cheap in the U.S., but where you get them from, how they're grown, etc., makes a huge difference.

I hope India is getting really good apples for that price! :D
 
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I'm interested to see how the GPS accuracy compares to Garmin. My iPhone 6 GPS is consistently different than my Garmin. Over a typical 6 mile run, my iPhone 6 records about .3 less distance than my Garmin FR 235. Can/does the new watch record distance using the accelerometer to track a treadmill or indoor run?
My wife and I ran side by side past week - she had a garmin and I had iphone plus Apple watch. They were within .02 the entire run. There are online reviews and some even claim once you get the watch trained it is not bad alone without GPS. On treadmills my experience has been much worse- off by huge amounts.
 
My wife and I ran side by side past week - she had a garmin and I had iphone plus Apple watch. They were within .02 the entire run. There are online reviews and some even claim once you get the watch trained it is not bad alone without GPS. On treadmills my experience has been much worse- off by huge amounts.

my apple watch is always .2 ahead of the garmin, thats terrible. on a treadmill its not even worth looking at
 
my apple watch is always .2 ahead of the garmin, thats terrible. on a treadmill its not even worth looking at
I assume the garmin is better - but honestly you would need rigorous testing of the devices plus a few other competitors to determine which were most accurate. Its always possible, though I doubt it, the Garmin is off from reality by .2, or both are off from reality by 0.1 or the Apple watch was off by .3 and the Garmin off by .1 etc.
 
And it’s completely waterproof,


I hate when people use this combine terms. Someone is going to take this completely out of context and bitch about how they can't go deep sea diving with it.
 
So this is the first day with my Watch OS3 and it feels like my battery has drained a bit more than usual during this time of day. Put it on about 7 am this morning and I am sitting at 64% and it is now 1:42 pm.

I may be wrong but I usually feel it would be around 70% normally. I don't have many apps on my phone besides what is stock, Wunderlist, and Uber.

I do have things set up for my HomeKit and wondering if it's inclusion may have been a bit more of a drain.
 
I am loving Watch OS 3 on my first generation SS AW. The update gave me a brand new watch and made it more useful than it already was! I won't be upgrading until Apple makes the Watch more independent from the phone and adds more sensors.
 
As a first Gen Watch owner, I plan on upgrading to the Series 2 Stainless. I was very satisfied with my first Gen Watch with it had to offer. Sure, it didn't have GPS/LTE, but not everyone needs or wants these features. I feel the Apple Watch did everything I wanted it to, with very little downfall. Even the screen brightness was solid from my experience. The upgraded features in Series 2 will be welcome.
 
I assume the garmin is better - but honestly you would need rigorous testing of the devices plus a few other competitors to determine which were most accurate. Its always possible, though I doubt it, the Garmin is off from reality by .2, or both are off from reality by 0.1 or the Apple watch was off by .3 and the Garmin off by .1 etc.

The garmin has proved accurate on a IAAF measured course during a race, so I trust it more than the AW
 
wow 20% battery gone listening to music and a 20min Jog thats terrible, the original apple watch was never going to last a marathon and neither will this. These reviews confirm my decision to sell my AW1 and use my Garmin everyday instead

Not sure how long it takes you to run a marathon but if it's less than 7 hours this guy says you should be ok...

 
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While i think the watch has great potential with the GPS addition - no serious athlete will consider this.

most of us require usage of ANT+ sensors and while bluetooth sensors are gaining ground - it's still not there.

4 hours of GPS is not functional.

I'm a reasonably serious athlete - on the podium or outright winning a number of regional running races a year. I wouldn't choose the AW as my only watch as of this moment, but I have run with my original AW a fair bit, and it won't be long before Apple will be putting some serious pressure on Garmin. If I end up upgrading, there will no doubt be a fair number of days that I choose to run with my AW as opposed to my Garmin watches. And as stated, the vast majority of athletes are not serious - the Runkeeper/Nike Run Club crowd - and the AW will be perfect for them.
 
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Yeah, having failed to push it as a (high) fashion accessory Apple is now turning towards fitness and, as such, there's no longer any need to differentiate between the old 'fashion' and 'sport' lines. I really wish they'd pick a direction and stick with it, but long-term commitment seems to have fallen by the wayside at Apple under Cook & friends. Outsiders like us can't know for sure, of course, but I suspect this same lack of focus to a specific plan is also happening over at Project Titan.

I'm glad they opted to NOT pick a direction and stick with it. Series 2 and watchOS 3 make it really clear that they had some idea of what they wanted out of the watch but until people started using it and developing for it, they were playing with theory.

The dock replacing favorites on the watch was users going, "Guys, no one uses this thing to initiate a phone call—at least not nearly enough to dedicate a button to it." Fast switching between faces + complications is how the interface has evolved and it makes a ton of sense. With watchOS 3, I have a few faces set up for work, weekends, and when I'm working out. I basically don't touch the dock (although it's better than the launcher for the apps I use occasionally but don't have a complication on a face) and don't have to jump to the launcher anymore.

Also, the stock apps got some nice updates because experience has made it clear how people actually use their watches and what they care about. Workouts is a HUGE improvement. I get all my data in a single view instead of scattered across a bunch. It's nice.

Most of the people I know (which is an admittedly small number) who really like the watch use it for fitness. My friends who are just tech heads are really pretty "meh" about it.

I don't know who they were expecting to pay 10K-17K for a new watch every 18 months. I'm glad they simply dropped that line.

Wearables is a moving target for everyone. No one has it figured out, including the users. Having anything but a really vague long-term commitment would be foolish unless you happened to get SUPER lucky and get everything right at first.
 
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GPS for an hour. What happens if I forget to switch it off? How long the battery last then? The video is ******.
 
I honestly don't understand the point of standalone GPS on the Apple Watch. Why not just use the phone's GPS? I can't see any situation where you'd have your watch but not your phone with you.

How about running .. who wants to carry around a brick of a phone.
 
Anyone spotted any reviews of the Series 1? Curious if the processor upgrade by itself makes much of a difference.

This! But I had already picked up a first gen 42mm at Best Buy last Friday and I can't honestly see the reason to spend more money for the Series 1 let alone the Series 2.
Bad as this sounds if Apple did not upgrade the first gen to WatchOS3 I would have bought a Series 1. But as it stands I only want the Watch for notifications and the heart rate stuff. I really don't want to interact, play games or use apps for long periods of time on such a small display. That's why I'm getting the iPhone 7 Plus. :)
 
I'm glad they opted to NOT pick a direction and stick with it. Series 2 and watchOS 3 make it really clear that they had some idea of what they wanted out of the watch
So what the heck was the point of Series 1 and watchOS 1 and 2? To waste everyone's time, including their own? If they really had some idea what they wanted they should have released Series 2 and watchOS 3 in the first place! What, they figured they'd scam customers out of some money for a half-baked product and string them along until they were good and ready to release the magical Series 2 and watchOS 3? Really?
but until people started using it and developing for it, they were playing with theory.
Playing with theory? What does that mean? That they didn't have a clue what they were doing with it?
Wearables is a moving target for everyone. No one has it figured out, including the users. Having anything but a really vague long-term commitment would be foolish unless you happened to get SUPER lucky and get everything right at first.
What? You mean Apple are like every other tech company out there, bumbling along in the wilderness, occasionally bumping into a cactus, until they wander into a town by chance? What happened to the trendsetting Apple? The tastemakers? The company that told users what they wanted before they even knew it themselves? Reduced to being just like everyone else? The iMac was released with a clear target: to get users connected to the Internet as simply as possible and give them the tools to navigate that brave new world. The iPod was released with the goal of getting your entire music library in your pocket. The iPad was introduced as the ultimate media consumption device. Macbook Air? The lightest laptop for users who place portability at a premium. Etc, etc. The Apple Watch? I dunno. And neither does Apple. No focus. No goals. Just bumbling along in the dark, wearing sunglasses to boot!
 
So what the heck was the point of Series 1 and watchOS 1 and 2? To waste everyone's time, including their own? If they really had some idea what they wanted they should have released Series 2 and watchOS 3 in the first place! What, they figured they'd scam customers out of some money for a half-baked product and string them along until they were good and ready to release the magical Series 2 and watchOS 3? Really?

Playing with theory? What does that mean? That they didn't have a clue what they were doing with it?

What? You mean Apple are like every other tech company out there, bumbling along in the wilderness, occasionally bumping into a cactus, until they wander into a town by chance? What happened to the trendsetting Apple? The tastemakers? The company that told users what they wanted before they even knew it themselves? Reduced to being just like everyone else? The iMac was released with a clear target: to get users connected to the Internet as simply as possible and give them the tools to navigate that brave new world. The iPod was released with the goal of getting your entire music library in your pocket. The iPad was introduced as the ultimate media consumption device. Macbook Air? The lightest laptop for users who place portability at a premium. Etc, etc. The Apple Watch? I dunno. And neither does Apple. No focus. No goals. Just bumbling along in the dark, wearing sunglasses to boot!

Wanna know how I know you've never worked in product or software development?
 
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