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So what the heck was the point of Series 1 and watchOS 1 and 2? To waste everyone's time, including their own? If they really had some idea what they wanted they should have released Series 2 and watchOS 3 in the first place! What, they figured they'd scam customers out of some money for a half-baked product and string them along until they were good and ready to release the magical Series 2 and watchOS 3? Really?

Playing with theory? What does that mean? That they didn't have a clue what they were doing with it?

What? You mean Apple are like every other tech company out there, bumbling along in the wilderness, occasionally bumping into a cactus, until they wander into a town by chance? What happened to the trendsetting Apple? The tastemakers? The company that told users what they wanted before they even knew it themselves? Reduced to being just like everyone else? The iMac was released with a clear target: to get users connected to the Internet as simply as possible and give them the tools to navigate that brave new world. The iPod was released with the goal of getting your entire music library in your pocket. The iPad was introduced as the ultimate media consumption device. Macbook Air? The lightest laptop for users who place portability at a premium. Etc, etc. The Apple Watch? I dunno. And neither does Apple. No focus. No goals. Just bumbling along in the dark, wearing sunglasses to boot!

Wow, you have never worked in software/hardware have you?
 
Not sure how long it takes you to run a marathon but if it's less than 7 hours this guy says you should be ok...



he's wrong! my apple watch did not last a 1:45 half marathon time.


The AW2 will have horrible mapping as well as it won't do 1second gps recording like the garmin, no doubt you can't export to starva and apple will have some horrible route smoothing to make up for the lack of 1 second recording
 
So what the heck was the point of Series 1 and watchOS 1 and 2? To waste everyone's time, including their own?
Dude! Chill! As a DELIGHTED-FROM-DAY-ONE and still INCREDIBLY-HAPPY-AND-SATISFIED apple watch 1 user, I can assure you AW1 was not a waste of time, was not bumbling in the dark, DID have focus and direction, and that Apple DID know what they were doing.

All I think that's being said here is that OS3 does all the good stuff better. The original iPhone 1 didn't sell that many units, but those early adopters of iPhone showed Apple how to tweak, polish, trim the fat, etc. so that iPhone 2 was better and took off with customers. But the shape of that first iPhone, it's design and even how the software works is still very similar to present day iPhones. That's how strong and solid it was. And that's how I see the AWI. I don't take offense from people who say "This is the way the watch should have been!" Though it's foolish to say that. AW1 was needed to develop AW2. And yes, that involves feedback from users, but what else is new? That's been true of iPhone and every other product put out by Apple. By any tech company. What features are popular? What not? What should be faster? What can be gotten rid of? That's the way these things work. Doesn't mean the original design was pointless or wrong or unappealing.

AW1's design and software certainly wasn't. 97% of owners loved it. You don't get that kind of success from unfocused bumbling around and time wasting. As for me, I won't be buying an AW2. I'm still happy with my watch--and happy with the upgrades of OS 3. Apple knew what they were doing with that first AW incarnation. They just needed to know how to slim it down and tighten it up so that it could fly faster and higher.
 
So, if you run 5 miles from your house and fall hurting yourself, you'd rather not have cell service to call for help?

I don't get that. I'd always bring my phone for emergencies, therefore I'd always have a GPS with me.

Different strokes. But, you’re not a runner, are you? And I ask that with the utmost respect - not trying to be snarky.
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he's wrong! my apple watch did not last a 1:45 half marathon time.

The AW2 will have horrible mapping as well as it won't do 1second gps recording like the garmin, no doubt you can't export to starva and apple will have some horrible route smoothing to make up for the lack of 1 second recording

Are you serious? Where did you come up with all of this ridiculous conjecture?
 
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Indeed seems like a great upgrade from Series 1 and I can't wait to get my Series 2 SS, too bad it launches until October 7th in Mexico though.

I've said this before but AW1 is nothing more than a proof of concept jus t like the first iPhone and first iPAd. In the case of the iPhone it actually took a couple of generations for hardware to catch up, same thing with iPad. With AW I expect the same trend, it will be a couple of more generations before Apple fully realizes what they want to get out of Apple Watch. Frankly in every case the gate keeper has been the combination of semiconductor and battery technology. AW will change dramatically with each process shrink until Aple realizes their vision. Frankly this is sort of where we are at with iPhone as it more or less has stabilized in its current form.
 
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he's wrong! my apple watch did not last a 1:45 half marathon time.


The AW2 will have horrible mapping as well as it won't do 1second gps recording like the garmin, no doubt you can't export to starva and apple will have some horrible route smoothing to make up for the lack of 1 second recording

You're very angry about something you obviously have no intention of buying. Just enjoy your Garmin then. I don't see what the point is in getting all riled up about the Apple Watch.
 
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battery life the same....wouldn't last my day with a 30mi bike ride...meh

I do 30 mile bike rides in 1h30 minutes (or less, sometimes less than 1h15)... How slow do you ride?
If you're riding slow enough to kill your watch, slower than 10 mph, that's hella slow and wouldn't call that a "ride". That's a slow recreational dalliance.
I call BS on your statement, even with the 38mm watch.

PS: According to Techradars test, it would basically take a walking pace 3-4 mph (killing watch while biking) for 30 miles to kill that watch on GPS alone, and 5-6mph when using the heart rate monitor.
 
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I'm not a runner but this guy is, he tested the Garmin, Tom Tom, and AW2 on a 22 mile outdoor run and seemed impressed that they were all fairly close to one another in terms of distance.


Thanks for this video. Very helpful. The Apple Watch did nicely.
 
I do bike rides in 1h30 minutes... How slow do you ride?
I call BS on your statement, even with the 38mm watch.

Call BS all you want...ride of 30mi in ~2 hrs @ 15mph avg, using the activity function. How slow do you ride? 1:30 minute rides were acceptable with watch. Rude folks.
 
Call BS all you want...ride of 30mi in ~2 hrs @ 15mph avg, using the activity function. How slow do you ride? 1:30 minute rides were acceptable with watch. Rude folks.

You are BS peddler. Complete invention and very slow to boot. I'm 49 BTW.
You merit the rudeness; that's what lying get you.
Look at the techradar link and yes, I don't care if you feel offended.
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GPS for an hour. What happens if I forget to switch it off? How long the battery last then? The video is ******.

The Techradar guy ran 3.5h and got it down to 57%, so if heart rate monitor is no not on, 8h I'm guessing as battery life on the 42mm,, probably 6h on the 38mm.
This is pretty good for a watch that has a high res screen and is smaller than other similar watches.
Probably about 5-6h with heart rate monitor sampling in exercise mode (or about 4-5h for the 38mm).

I'm guessing you'll notice its on before you kill it because your battery life will be going down much faster than usual.
 
You are BS peddler bud. Complete invention and very slow to boot.

I'm not talking about starting the ride with the watch at 100% Einstein. I'm talking about putting the watch on at 7:30 am, going about my day, and then starting a ride at 5:00pm, then expecting it to last until bedtime (10 or 11pm)

LOL. Lance Armstong is trolling @24mph (30mi/75min*60min/hr) uphill with a headwind. Hint...my terrain is not flat. Not to mention slowing for stop signs/pedestrians/intersections/turns/etc

http://www.cannonballs-cycling.org/rider_classification.htm
http://phillybikeclub.org/newbcp/rides/class
http://www.ilovebicycling.com/average-bike-speed/
http://cbtc.org/ride-classifications/
 
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Really? You think the Apple Watch is a success story in Vogue circles? I'm certainly not there myself, but I've seen no evidence to suggest fashion models, celebs, etc wear it at home (unless they are being sponsored to wear it).

Are they fashionable women? Honestly, I don't know. I live in a pretty fashionable city and don't see any fashionable (read: sophisticated) women wear it.

I'm in the interior/architecture trade, i work with the fashionable rich and famous every day. I see them constantly. Go to a fashion Mecca like the Bal Harbor shops here in S. Fl you will see quite a few sophisticated women wearing them. It could very well be only their day watch. They are usually wearers of the original ss apple watch, the always have higher end apple or designer bands. I have also seen a couple gold ones but you cannot tell if they are real editions or plated unless you look at the back. Coach sold out there first edition bands in record time. Hermes sells a watch edition and a band separately.

Yes, as opposed to creating a device cater-made to that market. My argument is that Apple has lost its focus with products since they first positioned the Watch as a fashion accessory and now the same Watch as a fitness tool. Can it be both? No, I don't think it can.

I don think it was then or now positioned as a fitness device, it is a device that has a fitness function. Nor was it created just as a fashionable device. It was a multifunctional device that is more fashionable than the normal smartwatch. The nike edition is expanding the market more tailored to fitness. The fitness function is improved which brings in more users and expands the market. The white ceramic edition is not aimed at fitness gurus but at the more the fashionable. So yes I think for different people it does different functions and can and will do both well, and better to come. There are many fitness oriented devices that do not sell the volume of AW, Fitbit does but with much lower price points and looks.
 
PLEASE make Apple Watch be able the sync / save latest Apple Music subscription music instead of making me buy and manually sync music!
 
Glad it's fast now (Series 1 is the deal!) but what does it actually DO?

Your list is already quite lengthy, you know -- all of the features you listed alone are functions people routinely pay for on other smartwatches (and much, much more for in order to get much, much less on "conventional" watches, but as a former non-watch wearer I understand where you're coming from).

For me, the biggest value of the Apple Watch is moving the information you mention onto my wrist. I generally keep my iPhone (like my wallet) in my front pocket, though sometimes it is in my briefcase or backpack when I'm traveling. A gentle tap tells me of an incoming VIP email (not every email), text message, or appointment without me having to fish out my iPhone (I keep other stuff in my pockets). I can also use Apple Pay unbelievably quickly.

Glancing at a message and dictating a quick reply, or initiating a message while driving by saying "hey Siri, tell my wife I'll be home in 15 minutes" is incredibly handy and far safer than hearing the phone buzz and having to get it out at the next stoplight, then find a place to pull over in order to respond (though I could use "hey siri" on my phone, I choose to have it off as I find it reacts to "hey Sarah" or similar much more sensitively than the Watch does).

I also love being able to easily send a simple emoji response to an incoming message. Someone tells me the deal is done? I send back an animated "thumbs up" far, far faster than I would be able to do this on my iPhone. The Watch also taps me/shows which way to turn when I'm using Maps, which means I don't have to interrupt the music or conversation while driving to have Siri tell me.

I have an Activity complication on my watch face to let me know how far I am from my walking/standing goals, which is again far faster than getting out the phone, opening the phone, and loading the Activity app to get that information. I also enjoy being able to glance and see if an incoming call, message, or email is worth interrupting the conversation I'm having without having to really interrupt it.

Airline boarding passes, concert tickets and other things that are scannable from the Watch -- ridiculously better than having to get out the phone each time, particularly if you are overloaded/holding a baby/etc.

Your list is a great checklist of things that even the original Apple Watch can do, and the new ones can do even faster, though -- I'm saving a copy in Notes to show people who ask me a similar question. I hope this response detailing how I mostly use the Watch adds some additional insight. I was worried when I first bought the Apple Watch that I'd gotten myself an expensive toy, but it has proved invaluable and watchOS 3 has now added considerable value to it. My doctor even detected a (very minor) heart issue thanks to the log of heartbeat readings the Watch hands over to the iPhone. I think your list alone justifies the $250ish price for a lot of people who haven't seriously considered the Apple Watch, but that's just a spec sheet -- actually using it will quickly make most skeptics realise just that change to the wrist for this information is the real "killer app" of the Apple Watch.
 
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Dude! Chill! As a DELIGHTED-FROM-DAY-ONE and still INCREDIBLY-HAPPY-AND-SATISFIED apple watch 1 user, I can assure you AW1 was not a waste of time, was not bumbling in the dark, DID have focus and direction, and that Apple DID know what they were doing.
I'm very chill. :) I was replying to cult hero, who wrote "I'm glad they opted to NOT pick a direction and stick with it. Series 2 and watchOS 3 make it really clear that they had some idea of what they wanted out of the watch." This implies the previous versions were not, hence my questions to him. I'm glad you're happy with your watch.
The original iPhone 1 didn't sell that many units, but those early adopters of iPhone showed Apple how to tweak, polish, trim the fat, etc. so that iPhone 2 was better and took off with customers. [...] That's the way these things work. Doesn't mean the original design was pointless or wrong or unappealing.
This is a good argument and I agree, so please explain it cult hero. My point is simply that Apple seems to be changing the positioning of the Watch from fashion icon to fitness accessory, and I think that shows a lack of focus.
AW1's design and software certainly wasn't. 97% of owners loved it. You don't get that kind of success from unfocused bumbling around and time wasting.
If customer satisfaction were the sole measure of "success" I'd agree with you, but I suspect sales trumps that, and I contend sales of the Apple Watch are well below expectations. Why do I assume that? Because if it were otherwise Apple would trumpet the numbers to the world the same way they do when the numbers are good.
 
Well the video review answered one of my questions. If you have your phone with you, it's the GPS on the phone that is used, not the watch. I would like to know if Activity will still track your route.

Yes, the route mapping is saved with the workout regardless.
 
Wow, to be perfectly honest, I've been complaining about the thicker dimensions from the moment I heard of it...but now watching it in a video, it definitely looks thicker. Not pleased whatsoever, I'll probably hold off until the redesign next year.

That's fine if you don't like the thickness of the Apple Watch, but how could you possibly tell its thicker from seeing a video? The articles, from what I read, stated it's not noticeable to the eye, unless your physically touching it. And isn't it only one MM thicker? And your able to notice this through a video online?
 
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So this is the first day with my Watch OS3 and it feels like my battery has drained a bit more than usual during this time of day. Put it on about 7 am this morning and I am sitting at 64% and it is now 1:42 pm.

I may be wrong but I usually feel it would be around 70% normally. I don't have many apps on my phone besides what is stock, Wunderlist, and Uber.

I do have things set up for my HomeKit and wondering if it's inclusion may have been a bit more of a drain.

From running the beta battery life stabilizes after a few days. I've found if you hard reset the device after each update it seems to speed up the process.
 
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I've ordered one, going from a Sport to SS. I'm mostly doing it because of the increased water resistance. I go to the beach like crazy in summer, so it'll be nice not worrying about damaging it. I am still nervous about taking it in salt water though haha
 
i love my aw1, as someone that works out in a gym, i dont need standalone gps. watchOS 3 is enough of an upgrade to make me happy.
Came to say just this. Unless you are a runner or a open water swimmer, watchOS 3 makes the first generation "the first real Apple Watch" still.
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I don't see what anyone would object to having the GPS on the watch, other than added cost.
I don't anyone objects to having GPS, it's more that it doesn't make for a compelling must-have feature for AW1 owners to want to upgrade.
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For me, the biggest value of the Apple Watch is moving the information you mention onto my wrist.

Glancing at a message and dictating a quick reply, or initiating a message while driving ...

I also love being able to easily send a simple emoji response to an incoming message...

I have an Activity complication on my watch face to let me know how far I am from my walking/standing goals...

Airline boarding passes, concert tickets and other things that are scannable from the Watch...
All this plus:

- Apple Pay, literally not having to carry a wallet anymore can not be understated

- My bank balance at a glance

- Setting timers with Siri

- Instantly knowing what time it is back in Norway so I know if my parents are up and can take a call

- Quick start tracking my workouts, whether strength or walking or biking

- Directions with taps for turns makes me a safer driver not having to look at a screen

All these plus the odd other use case make for an incredibly compelling device for me. Absolutely no regrets.
 
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