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All i want is a Front facing Camera so I can video call from my wrist. So close to realising my childhood fantasy don't fail me apple.
 
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My wife and I recently purchased two SS Series 2 watches. We love them and they have been instrumental in getting me to start exercising and running again. Regardless, if the next watch requires another cell/data bill I'll more than likely move on to a dedicated running/exercise watch like a Suunto or Garmin. I absolutely do not need or want another cell bill.

Not to mention, it boggles my mind that until a month or two ago you couldn't just walk in an Apple store and purchase a SS watch and there are rumors about a new watch this fall. At the rate Apple is going with the production of many of their products you won't be able to even purchase one until spring of next year.

I am sure you would not have to activate the cellular service if you didn't want to and the watch would still work. But if that is the only new feature then of course it would be pointless to buy it if you didn't plan on using the LTE feature.
 
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"but a separate data plan from a carrier would likely be needed."

Already have a carrier for my phone, another data plan for my iPad, won't be getting yet another plan for my watch
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All i want is a Front facing Camera so I can video call from my wrist. So close to realising my childhood fantasy don't fail me apple.

That will be for the series 4, Apple won't release everything at once
 
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It takes magical courage so say that you're holding it wrong. Besides it doesn't need to be thinner, we need more battery, 1GB RAM is enough, may as well sack Timmy and where are all the Macs that can run Safari snappier?


Did I cover everything? :D:D
Hmm, I'm still not entirely sure whether or not Steve would've allowed this…
 
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Probably just as confusing as those really confusing iPad or iPhone lines..

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Just wait until the iPhone 7s/7s Plus comes out along side the iPhone X/Edition/Pro/8. Do I buy last years iPhone 7s or this years iPhone 8 ? Wait, no. Do I buy this years iPhone 7s or next years iPhone 8. Wait, no. Never mind. I'll get a Pixel.
 
I can't imagine how confusing the Apple Watch lineup will be in a few years....

Out of all of Apple's products, I think the Watch lineup is the nicest. Series 1 and Series 2. Main differentiator being GPS+swimproof. I quite like that the main internals (CPU/speed) are the same.

Honestly, I'd guess that if they do have a cellular version coming this fall, it'll likely replace the GPS version and still have 2 'Series' available. Kind of like iPads - wifi and wifi+cellular.

I really wish they would stagger these releases so that everything isn't released at the same time. It would be nice to get new watches in the spring for example and maybe new phones in September and new Macs and whatnot in the summer. Seems like EVERYTHING hits toward the end of the year. (New releases/major changes anyway) Maybe it just *seems* that way.

In any case, looking forward to what they put in the new versions. I am still on the first watch...

I fully agree. I can see how the watch is tightly integrated with the iPhone development, but spring would be such a good time of the year for updated Watch and to help stagger these products.

Is it possible to clone a sim card? In other words, if you already have a plan with data for your phone, can you basically duplicate the sim card in the phone and use it in a second device such as this conceptual LTE watch? Conceptually, you've paid for a block of data plus voice & texting. What's it matter if you burn through that data on one device or two? I'm guessing it's not as there are already non-phone devices with cellular modems (tablets, computers, cars, etc).

I think for the watch it'll be pretty obvious that it'll get its own virtual SIM. Kind of like the iPad Pro 9.7" has (in addition to the physical SIM you can insert). I bet with time we'll see this come to iPhone as well and Apple will slowly work with carriers to support this virtual SIM.

My wife and I recently purchased two SS Series 2 watches. We love them and they have been instrumental in getting me to start exercising and running again. Regardless, if the next watch requires another cell/data bill I'll more than likely move on to a dedicated running/exercise watch like a Suunto or Garmin. I absolutely do not need or want another cell bill.

Not to mention, it boggles my mind that until a month or two ago you couldn't just walk in an Apple store and purchase a SS watch and there are rumors about a new watch this fall. At the rate Apple is going with the production of many of their products you won't be able to even purchase one until spring of next year.

Do you really think they'd force you to buy cellular data? They don't if you purchase an unlocked iPhone or an iPad of any sort. Just like on an iPad, if the GPS+Cellular Watch (if one is made) I'm sure you could turn off cellular data.

And yeah - pretty crazy that the Series 2 launched in September, and 3-4 months later it was still hard to find one in store. Looks like they've finally caught up though, 6 months later (possibly half way into its sales cycle?)

Ugh, this LTE-on-a-watch obsession frustrates me so much.

What obsession? It being spoken about as a possible OPTIONAL feature in a future watch is an obsession? If a future watch has cellular no one will be forcing you to use it.

These things already have garbage battery life - that needs to be improved, not made worse. It's such an absolute fringe case to need to make phone calls on your watch without having your phone anywhere nearby. I'm sure there are a few marathon runners or Olympic athletes that will probably appreciate being able to wear short shorts without a phone in the pocket, but mainstream users do not want a heavier, chunkier watch that has 40% less battery to accommodate an LTE radio they will never use, and have to pay an extra monthly carrier fee for.

LOL garbage battery life? Do you even use the Watch? The series 2 got a significant improvement. I wear mine for upwards of 15-16 hours in a day, and including a workout (one that could be outdoor without a phone so the watch is using GPS + HR) the battery is always above 50% when I go to sleep.

And even if the Watch does have cellular. Do you think it's going to stay connected to cellular even when it is in proximity of wifi or the iPhone? Apple goes crazy with trying to make power consumption as efficient as possible and extend battery life whenever they can. It would stupid to think they're going to let it sit and drain the battery from LTE when it doesn't always have to rely on it. Just like GPS on the current watch, it only uses it when it's needed.

And again, no one will force you to A)buy a cellular watch, nor B)pay for cellular data if you have cellular watch but don't want data.


The whining on MR sometimes.. truly baffling.
 
Just wait until the iPhone 7s/7s Plus comes out along side the iPhone X/Edition/Pro/8. Do I buy last years iPhone 7s or this years iPhone 8 ? Wait, no. Do I buy this years iPhone 7s or next years iPhone 8. Wait, no. Never mind. I'll get a Pixel.

Really? Come the fall, if the lineup is iPhone SE, iPhone 7s, iPhone 7s Plus and iPhone 'X', all with distinct price points, you think that will make it confusing for buyers? I mean, the only difference will be this possibly iPhone 'X' at the high end, up until now, SE, 7 and 7 Plus doesn't seem to make the purchase that difficult.

Yeah, lol, they'll go for a Pixel instead. Choosing between all the Android phones out there is surely a clearer process.
 
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Great if it can match a high end Garmin. I have high expectations this round. No more of this Fitbit Deluxe nonsense. I want a true sports watch. The AW has the guts for this capability. Apple just has to put in the programming. If Garmin can do it Apple can do. How it does.
My thoughts exactly... they have been getting better, but I also have high expectations for this in their third generation offering.
 
I can't imagine how confusing the Apple Watch lineup will be in a few years....


How is it any different than the evolution of the iPhone? Each generation has improvements and Apple will drop the oldest, leaving generally two or three models to choose from.
 
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Last I checked this is a forum when you can whine....arent forums about opinions? Or is it wrong because you don't agree with them?

People can have opinions, that's fine. But they can be had in a logical manner, and thought out objectively. But somehow they end up sounding irrational and extremely whiney.
 
And what about battery life, hmmmm?

It depends on just how power hungry "Always On" would be. If it reduces battery life by anything up to 50% then I would live with it. The current watch lasts me well over a day, so I'd be happy to live with half that for always on.

If Apple made it an option then users can choose according to what suits them. And maybe include an auto-switch off option when battery power gets less than a certain level.

A compromise of just showing the time at a low brightness would also be handy if full always on is too power hungry.

If full always on is a feature of the next watch then I'd expect that we would find out at WWDC, because there are bound to be implications for developers.
 
My wife and I recently purchased two SS Series 2 watches. We love them and they have been instrumental in getting me to start exercising and running again. Regardless, if the next watch requires another cell/data bill I'll more than likely move on to a dedicated running/exercise watch like a Suunto or Garmin. I absolutely do not need or want another cell bill.

Not to mention, it boggles my mind that until a month or two ago you couldn't just walk in an Apple store and purchase a SS watch and there are rumors about a new watch this fall. At the rate Apple is going with the production of many of their products you won't be able to even purchase one until spring of next year.

That's the problem in the peanut gallery. One group pounds Apple for not announcing and introducing products fast enough and waiting until mass production is ready and underway, and the other group complains when they announce them but don't have the products immediately available in every configuration and color for the tens, and in some cases, hundreds, of millions of people around the world.
 
Again?? Loving the Nike Series 2. Secretly hoping this is a minor spec update so us Series 2 owners can hold off. No LTE for me, I'm good as is.
 
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Is it possible to clone a sim card? In other words, if you already have a plan with data for your phone, can you basically duplicate the sim card in the phone and use it in a second device such as this conceptual LTE watch? Conceptually, you've paid for a block of data plus voice & texting. What's it matter if you burn through that data on one device or two? I'm guessing it's not as there are already non-phone devices with cellular modems (tablets, computers, cars, etc).
T-Mobile DIGITS Beta, if you can get in. I use it (2nd device is Moto G5+). It's currently free and pretty awesome.

Can use the cloned line on a watch or OBD-II car device.
 
Is it possible to clone a sim card? In other words, if you already have a plan with data for your phone, can you basically duplicate the sim card in the phone and use it in a second device such as this conceptual LTE watch? Conceptually, you've paid for a block of data plus voice & texting. What's it matter if you burn through that data on one device or two? I'm guessing it's not as there are already non-phone devices with cellular modems (tablets, computers, cars, etc).


There's an increase in marginal costs, such overhead on supporting two devices for the cell provider, moreover, especially with the proliferation of unlimited data plans, and it would almost guarantee greater load on networks from increase in usage. Don't worry, with the highly competitive environment, the most likely scenario is that it would be an add-on service for a relatively minor amount, such as $10 a month which folks would sign up for like hotcakes. Indeed, since Apple owns the smart watch market, it is possible that Apple would negotiate a low price with the carriers in advance.
 
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