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There's a huge difference between powering an analog watch and an Apple Watch with CPU, screen and constant wireless connection to iPhone. Kinetic energy from walking all day would not add more than 5% battery boost.

Frankly I don't think you'd get anywhere near 5%
 
By simple walking you can generate enough kinetic energy to power a normal analogue watch on your wrist. It may not be enough to fully recharge a Smartwatch the caliber of Apple's watch, but could've provided a nice battery boost. I guess it was only the added bulk that prevented Apple from adding it to the watch.

The main spring in a normal automatic watch stores around 0.2J, and it takes around 30 minutes of walking to charge it from empty to full. That's 0.4 J per hour or 6.4J in a 16 hour day (assuming a device that makes use of all that energy without reaching its limit). That's 1.8mWh. Or slightly less than 0.5mAh assuming a3.82 V battery, just to convert it to familiar units.

That's just a rounding error compared to any realistic battery capacity for the Apple Watch. For comparison the Moto 360 has a 300mAh battery.

So how does the regular analogue watch get away with it? By drawing less than a microwatt of power, compared to the several milliwatts we can expect from a smartwatch.
 
Interact with real people. Talk to them face to face. Life doesn't revolve around Facebook, Twitter, etc. Being connected for the sake of being connected has it's drawbacks, IMO.
Preach it, brother. What did we ever do before connectivity?

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Why don't you take your own advice and realise that not everyone is you either, and that users might be contented with a day's battery life in exchange for the utility an Apple Watch offers?

Well said, Abazaigal!

It comes down to the laws of physics; Apple is surely stretching current battery technology to the max in an optimal blend of processing/visual performance and maximum battery life. Until, they get a week-long battery life in a high performance smartwatch, daily charging alongside it's companion iPhone is hardly the burden some wail about.

I'm excited to find out what a no-compromises smartwatch actually feels like next month!

Wow... how about you guys actually read my posts? I have made it perfectly clear, including in the very one you are quoting, that I am fine with people being content with it. What I am NOT okay with is being belittled for personally wanting more battery life, which is what some of the people I quoted were doing.
 
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accessory band providing power?

I suppose someone may have beaten me to posting this but couldn't the band be made with battery modules to provide extra power? I could see the mass available would provide potentially 2 days of power?

Or how about a solar watch band? Flexible solar tech has been available for years.
 
I think there was something they could have done better.
You'll get over that. Ten years ago, when I was rocking a Treo, most cell phone users found the prospect of using a smartphone with a one-day battery life inconceivable. Today it's the opposite. Most people aren't willing to give up the affordances of a smartphone for a full week of battery. Watch developments will parallel this arc. Some people will stick to watches with less functionality in exchange for more battery, but most people won't.
 
If something stops working perfectly at some points in time and yet the thing is still considered functional, I guess you didn't really need the product in the first place. And that's my main issue with the Apple Watch. I don't feel the need to have something on my wrist that would give me 15% better experience than my phone.
 
Should be up to the user and not Apple. I.E., configurable.

We don't yet know if it's configurable. Still, I can't see a use case where I'd want a notification on a watch that isn't on my wrist. That's what my phone is for.
 
Preach it, brother. What did we ever do before connectivity?

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I'm not preaching anything. People do what they like.

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There's a huge difference between powering an analog watch and an Apple Watch with CPU, screen and constant wireless connection to iPhone. Kinetic energy from walking all day would not add more than 5% battery boost.

Any link for that?
 
Can you see the error in logic you made there?

please enlighten me

and meanwhile…

The iPhone was allowed to be limited by battery performance because mobile phones are expected to be limited in this way

If an iWatch was being a computer in a plastic bangle - perhaps battery life could be overlooked.

An iWatch that tries to go for the luxury watch market is going to be inferior by comparison due to 'ingrained' expectations of those customers

it will always be a clever and gimmicky, expensive watch that needs charging a lot - UNTIL the energy problems can be solved in a way that isn't a GIANT step backward.
 
By simple walking you can generate enough kinetic energy to power a normal analogue watch on your wrist. It may not be enough to fully recharge a Smartwatch the caliber of Apple's watch, but could've provided a nice battery boost. I guess it was only the added bulk that prevented Apple from adding it to the watch.

Yea, that 1/100th of a percent battery charge would be worth it, :rolleyes:
 
Having the option does not force you to reduce battery life.

Again, Apple isn't for give you all the options, usually.

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It's not the same thing. A watch isn't a device that requires charging everyday - call it an iBangle and side step the precedence for a self powering, low maintenance clock.

At least introduce a standby mode where it'll tell the time for a week - the iWatch is a highly polished turd - hopefully Apple will still make a HUGE profit as is but I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that kind of brand association.

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I think you're missing the point - all the other smart phones had the same weakness.

The same can not be said for high end wrist watches.

the iPhone was the best smart phone - the Apple watch is not the best watch

All it goes to show is batteries - even apple's really expensive ones - are not fit for purpose.

The iWatch is superficial and the iPhone was not.

And you are capable of judge a device yet to be released.
Interesting.

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please enlighten me

and meanwhile…

The iPhone was allowed to be limited by battery performance because mobile phones are expected to be limited in this way

If an iWatch was being a computer in a plastic bangle - perhaps battery life could be overlooked.

An iWatch that tries to go for the luxury watch market is going to be inferior by comparison due to 'ingrained' expectations of those customers

it will always be a clever and gimmicky, expensive watch that needs charging a lot - UNTIL the energy problems can be solved in a way that isn't a GIANT step backward.

Before the iPhone, phone could last 4-5 days on a battery charge.
The iPhone had to be charged daily.
That's because it is a SMARTphone, not a phone.

The same logic applies for the Apple watch, that is a SMARTwatch.
 
the iPhone was the best smart phone - the Apple watch is not the best watch

Can you see the error in logic you made there?

please enlighten me

You compare the iPhone only to other smartphones, whereas you compare the Apple Watch to all types of watches, not just smartwatches.

The Apple Watch will be this year's best smartwatch and the best overall watch, but the parameters by which it may be compared to mechanical watches becomes so broad that it becomes meaningless (a common parlor trick lately on the forums).
 
Before the iPhone, phone could last 4-5 days on a battery charge.
The iPhone had to be charged daily.
That's why the iPhone will NEVER take off. Everyone knows this. It was a problem looking for a solution, and a niche product.

A very, very, very, very big niche, but a niche nonetheless.

Oh, and Apple is doomed.
 
That's why the iPhone will NEVER take off. Everyone knows this. It was a problem looking for a solution, and a niche product.

A very, very, very, very big niche, but a niche nonetheless.

Oh, and Apple is doomed.

I was initially shocked by your post, then I realized .... Lol :D:D:D
 
The same logic applies for the Apple watch, that is a SMARTwatch.

No it doesn't.

Your argument is that SMART=20% battery life of non-smart.

Well the average battery-powered watch lasts 5 years before needing a new battery.
So by your reasoning, the Apple SMART watch should last one year on a single battery charge...

Yes, that's what I think an apple watch should do too...!
 
Before the iPhone, phone could last 4-5 days on a battery charge.
The iPhone had to be charged daily.
That's because it is a SMARTphone, not a phone.

The same logic applies for the Apple watch, that is a SMARTwatch.

That's not entirely accurate. Though idle time was longer on older phones, since they didn't have much background activity, usage time... And call time in particular... Actually tended to be much shorter than modern smartphones.
 
You compare the iPhone only to other smartphones, whereas you compare the Apple Watch to all types of watches, not just smartwatches.

Can you see the error in logic you made there?

Apple are aiming way above smartwatch - they're aiming to reinvent the watch.

Unfortunately, the product is 'just' a very well made and expensive smartwatch and will continue to be until the incredibly fat 'elephant in the room' of not enough energy is solved.
 
I just can't see this replacing my normal watch. It's a solid looking product, but the battery life seems very unimpressive to me. I wear my Tag nearly 24/7 (save for when I'm showering or swimming). I can count on a single hand how many times the battery has run out (automatic).
 
Can you see the error in logic you made there?

Apple are aiming way above smartwatch - they're aiming to reinvent the watch.

Unfortunately, the product is 'just' a very well made and expensive smartwatch and will continue to be until the incredibly fat 'elephant in the room' of not enough energy is solved.
Apple didn't re-invent the media player, or the phone.

What Apple did was make a media player and a smart phone that were stylish and accessible, so people who had been intimidated by or dismissive of the ones that already existed could see that these devices could fit into their lives.

Apple isn't re-inventing the watch, either. Others have already done that (to very little effect). Apple's contribution (it hopes) will be to make the smart watch accessible and stylish. People who don't think they want a smart watch or think that a smart watch would be more trouble than it was worth, will see how it can fit into their daily routine.

If the Apple Watch doesn't sell, the naysayers will enjoy saying they told us so. But if it flies off the shelves, the naysayers will be in the uncomfortable position they've often found themselves in: trying to rationalize how their prediction of failure was somehow right, even though it was clearly wrong.

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I just can't see this replacing my normal watch. It's a solid looking product, but the battery life seems very unimpressive to me. I wear my Tag nearly 24/7 (save for when I'm showering or swimming). I can count on a single hand how many times the battery has run out (automatic).
It's not going to replace my normal watch, either. My normal watch has been in a drawer for the past ten years (since the battery ran out and it didn't seem worth the trouble to replace it). The Apple Watch will be on my wrist.
 
ah - that'll be the alternative reality where Jonny Ive designed new cases for a sansdisk mp3 player and a blackberry

sorry, I cannot continue - please find someone else's life to waste .
So your position is that Apple isn't just AIMING to reinvent the watch, but they actually HAVE done so. Whether or not the reinvention has commercial success doesn't matter. It's already done.
 
2 hours charge time for 5 hours app usage time, that's pretty good! Especially on a small watch sized battery!

Man I was hoping since the battery was so small that it would only take 15-20mins to charge, so I could charge it while taking a shower and getting ready for work. Guess I was hoping for to much...
 
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