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According to a tweet from Ben Bajarin it doesn't need the phone all the time. There's still lots of details we need and questions that have to be answered.

Well, it's not waterproof and for me unfortunately it's a deal killer. I am a swimmer and do a lot of sports on the ocean. I would love to use the :apple:Watch to these activities so I guess not at this first generation. :(
 
I think I was hoping for more and certainly more originality.
Can't help but think that Steve would have hated that crown.
It's not within the Ive/Jobs "less is more" philosophy.

Why not a round face with a round LCD, that would be a greater challenge but more aesthetically pleasing.

Drop the crown and instead use the chassis by stroking the rim either clockwise or counter clockwise. That would have harkened back to the iPod.

Oh well, only time will tell....
The hardware can change in time, it's always been about the software which is what killed Nokia as they didn't have it or get it.

Watches have crowns. I don't think including one is a huge deal. I do like the idea of a spinning rim though. That being said I'm sure they trialled it and found the crown to be better for a good reason.
 
I think the digital crown is a fail.

I know they wanted it to appear to be more like a real watch and that’s probably the best way they could think of to do it but no. IIRC they crowns on real watches are a pain to use. That said, will have to wait and a see really how easy it is to turn and manipulate.
Battery life makes this a no for me, so does cost.
 
Yep. There goes my grand plans for sexting while in the jacuzzi. :(

As hilarious as it would be to use automatic responses while sexting, you're missing the point.

Some of us like to wear our watches everywhere, at all times. I have a pebble and a big bonus is being able to switch the tracks playing in the boat via bluetooth when I'm in the water. Or in the shower.

Point is, most watches are water resistant to a certain depth. The 'watch to replace all watches' shouldn't be lacking in that department.
 
Well, it's not waterproof and for me unfortunately it's a deal killer. I am a swimmer and do a lot of sports on the ocean. I would love to use the :apple:Watch to these activities so I guess not at this first generation. :(

They're probably being conservative with the water resistance/proof rating. I'd imagine as soon as these come out people will push them to the limits and we'll see what the real limits are.
 
Sure it would. You can swim in a swimming pool.. Not every one swims to ~30 feet deep!


One thing I've noticed in this forum. People confuse waterproof with water resistance. It's not the same. Another thing I've noticed is people don't understand horological water resistance measurements. Again, a watch with a water resistance rating of 10 meters is not suitable for swimming.

Water-resistance ratings: Use these guidelines to choose the right water-resistant watch:
3 ATM: 30 meters/100 feet: Suitable for everyday use. No swimming.
5 ATM: 50 meters/165 feet: Suitable for short periods of swimming. No diving or snorkeling.
10 ATM: 100 meters/330 feet: Suitable for swimming and snorkeling.
20 ATM: 200 meters/660 feet: Suitable for high-impact water sports and some diving.
Diver: 150-200 meters/500-660 feet: Suitable for scuba diving and passes ISO regulations.
 
We're talking about swimming, not diving.

99% of swimmers on earth have never come close to 33 feet below the water.

hahaha true.
But water resistant will not suffice for swimming. It's too bad. I was looking for this device to use on my pool doing laps and on the ocean swimming. I would love to track these activities.
 
:apple:Watch shows what happens when Jony is allowed to run wild. It looks beautiful but is fundamentally flawed:

  1. Premium watches retain their value well. My 10 year-old Rolex is worth ~50% of it's new retail value. A 10 year-old Apple Watch will be close to worthless.
  2. The digital crown is simply not a pleasing interface. A touch-sensitive side panel would have been better.
  3. Daily re-charging is a turn-off for many people.
  4. iPhone dependency is crippling.
  5. Taking the watch off for swimming and showering when it is being touted as a sports/health device is ludicrous.
  6. No single, killer feature.

Doubtless a pretty watch, but essentially, in this iteration, Apple hasn't dealt with any of the issues that plague other smart watches. IMHO, it will be 3-5 years before this segment has anything like the impact of iPhone or iPad. Jony's time would have been better spent on Apple TV and/or home automation/integration.
 
:apple:Watch shows what happens when Jony is allowed to run wild. It looks beautiful but is fundamentally flawed:

  1. Premium watches retain their value well. My 10 year-old Rolex is worth ~50% of it's new retail value. A 10 year-old Apple Watch will be close to worthless.
  2. The digital crown is simply not a pleasing interface. A touch-sensitive side panel would have been better.
  3. Daily re-charging is a turn-off for many people.
  4. iPhone dependency is crippling.
  5. Taking the watch off for swimming and showering when it is being touted as a sports/health device is ludicrous.
  6. No single, killer feature.

Doubtless a pretty watch, but essentially, in this iteration, Apple hasn't dealt with any of the issues that plague other smart watches. IMHO, it will be 3-5 years before this segment has anything like the impact of iPhone or iPad. Jony's time would have been better spent on Apple TV and/or home automation/integration.

I agree, one of those Apple TV concepts would have me on the Apple Store right now. I like the Watch but it doesn’t have enough about it to pull me away from a real watch.
I still have one of the original Citizen Aqualand watches and I’ll stick with that and a phone. Can’t afford Breitling I’m afraid.
 
Still wrong. Sorry bud.

Could you explain why something that is water resistant to 33 feet isn't suitable for swimming? And yes, I read your previous post. It doesn't answer this question.

My childhood watches were often waterproof to 30 feet and I swam with them all the time without issue. Unless you DROP the thing so it drifts to the bottom of a very deep pool it won't even get close to 33 feet. Most pools aren't even much deeper than 10 feet!
 
The iWatch was very disappointing IMO. For the grand hype machine lead up to this event it didn't meet the expectations.

I was hoping for a much better smoother looking watch. This looks very similar to the iPad nano with a watch band and some sensors. I liked the mockups that looked like professional looking round watches with the leather bands.

I am happy with the iPhone at least, though no landscape on the 4.7 is a little disappointing and the couple extra things they put into the 5.5 to try to entice the upgrade is a bummer. Though, think I will stick with the 4.7... At lest for now.

Like to get to hold them before preordering. Would wait but sure they will be on backorder real quick.
 
To be fair, there are no waterproof smartwatches. I'm assuming the watch is IP67 water resistant like all the other smartwatches.

I think the watch looks decent. No better or worse than the other offerings on the market right now, 'cept maybe the LG Watch R. I just don't see a use case for me. For others maybe, but definitely not me.

The pebble is waterproof. I swim with it all the time. Something I was hoping the apple watch would do.
 
They're probably being conservative with the water resistance/proof rating. I'd imagine as soon as these come out people will push them to the limits and we'll see what the real limits are.

Well, not holding my breath.
While I was watching the keynote in any moment they showed the watch in water sports. So right there I had the feeling this would not be waterproof. The only image was a guy taking like a outside dripping shower. :D
 
Water resistant to 10 meters would not even come close to qualifying for swimming.

Um I think you're confused, 10 meters would be MORE than enough for swimming, thats almost 33 feet, so unless you're thinking of 10 centimeters or you scuba dive only when getting in water, I think you need to reassess your comment
 
I really want the gold Editions one, but my favorite watch band is the Milanese one. I hope the bands come in different metals as well? Otherwise a gold watch with a silver band will look strange.
 
:apple:Watch shows what happens when Jony is allowed to run wild. It looks beautiful but is fundamentally flawed:

  1. Premium watches retain their value well. My 10 year-old Rolex is worth ~50% of it's new retail value. A 10 year-old Apple Watch will be close to worthless.
  2. The digital crown is simply not a pleasing interface. A touch-sensitive side panel would have been better.
  3. Daily re-charging is a turn-off for many people.
  4. iPhone dependency is crippling.
  5. Taking the watch off for swimming and showering when it is being touted as a sports/health device is ludicrous.
  6. No single, killer feature.

Doubtless a pretty watch, but essentially, in this iteration, Apple hasn't dealt with any of the issues that plague other smart watches. IMHO, it will be 3-5 years before this segment has anything like the impact of iPhone or iPad. Jony's time would have been better spent on Apple TV and/or home automation/integration.

I have to laugh sometimes when people expect Apple to solve certain things as if they have special powers or something. People want a device that doesn't have to be charged every day but they also want a device that isn't dependent on their phone. Oh and something that isn't too big and chunky. How does that work, especially with a colored retina display and all the sensors in the device? I suppose Apple could have said screw it we're not doing a watch until it can be super thin with a battery that lasts a week. Or they could have released a FuelBand clone but everyone would have considered that even more underwhelming than what they did release.
 
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