Apple. We want the Iphone on other Carriers

[maflynn]

Totally agree, but nonetheless Android is making gains while Apple holds on to AT&T with their capped growth of only AT&T customers. If they adopted other carriers, would Android gains slow down???... You bet!

To a degree, but I think Android offers a number of other advantages that apple does not. They update the OS more frequently, then apple does and while an argument can be made about android's immaturity, I would disagree because they did not start off on square one like apple did.

Another advantage is that there's multiple phones and multiple carriers. Apple only has one phone and even if they opted for Verizon, android runs on all carriers.

There's the differences on the hardware. Android has much better "specs" and has the ability to churn out new cutting edge phones faster then apple cares too.

Finally is the open application philosophy. There's no corporation dictating what is acceptable.

My point is that I truly believe the Android platform is going to over take the iPhone in the near future.

 

[dejo]

There's the differences on the hardware. Android has much better "specs" and has the ability to churn out new cutting edge phones faster then apple cares too.

Except Android is a software platform not a hardware platform.

 

[ucfgrad93]

lol dude thats life, sometimes certain products are only available from certain companies. Either go with AT&T service or just get a droid and be happy, sorry man you can't force a company to change the way they do business and what partners they choose just because you dont like it. And before you say that consumers have the final word, I would like to point out that iphone sales are through the roof so unfortunately its a lost cause.

Agreed. With iPhone sales so good there is little incentive for Apple to change.

 

[maflynn]

Except Android is a software platform not a hardware platform.

Ok, let me rephrase it. The hardware that runs android is typically more cutting edge and the phone makers typically churn newer phones out much faster then apple does.

Hows that. Same difference. Apple has one phone that is updated annually. New Android based phones are released every few months and/or updated every few months.

 

[mgamber]

I'll voice my opinion here all I like. This is an Apple rumor forum, not an "I love AT&T Rah Rah" cult forum. And if you insist on belittling me for my opinion I'll be even more vocal and annoying about it.

Seriously, why do people have to get to rude about this subject? In what way does it harm you that others would like to have the iPhone on another carrier? Did your dad beat you this morning? Did your mother never hold you as a child? What is your malfunction?

There is nothing wrong with someone wanting any model of phone on any carrier of their choice. They may or may not get what they want, but belittling them in a forum about their opinion is purely childish.

Amen, brother! People get rude here about everything. I repeat, EVERYTHING. It's the same people with the same collection of sh*t, too. After a short time you simply ignore them and take this site for what it's worth which, frankly, isn't much.

 

[crackbookpro]

Agreed. With iPhone sales so good there is little incentive for Apple to change.

Totally disagree. There is huge incentives... Do I need to list them?

 

[Geckotek]

You and the OP must share awesome weed, let me have some, I want to be far away from reality like the two of you guys!

Go do read up on some history and take a few marketing classes. Refrain from the week please as I think it make prevent you from fully understanding the basics of supply and demand.

 

[Geckotek]

Totally disagree. There is huge incentives... Do I need to list them?

Do we know the breakdown of the US/AT&T sales vs the worldwide sales? Do we know how sales of the 1G vs 3G vs 3Gs sales were? I'd like to see those numbers as I'm suspicious that the iPhone is doing well worldwide, but the AT&T customers have been saturated with the first 2 phones and sales to AT&T customers have slowed substantially.

Apple will eventually have to find another carrier to get more market penetration.

 

[Geckotek]

http://www.businessinsider.com/android-gains-more-subscriber-share-2010-4

Apple can/could squash the whole idea of Android gaining market presence... If I were Apple, I would take matters in to my own hands asap!

Based on this it appears that Android is taking market share from MS and Palm. It hasn't even made a dent in the Apple market.

Edit: While I do agree that Apple will need to partner with other carriers, I don't think that Android is really that much of an incentive....yet. My reasons are stated in the previous post.

And re: the hardware running Android, I think Apple has proven that most users are more concerned about the overall experience vs. specs. Apple won me over from being a Windows Mobile fanboy (yeah yeah...I know) based on the better experience, not specs.

 

[Dr Kevorkian94]

I respect u want it on different carriers but as long as verizon used cmda it will never go there apple does not use old tech. If and when atts eclusive contract ends it will go to a carrier/s who use sim cards

 

[Geckotek]

I respect u want it on different carriers but as long as verizon used cmda it will never go there apple does not use old tech. If and when atts eclusive contract ends it will go to a carrier/s who use sim cards

CDMA is not old tech. Do do some research before posting false statments such as this.

Edit:
GSM - 1990
CDMA - 1995

 

[mjz147]

A lot of people would want the iPhone on every US carrier.

Think about all the people on family plans who cannot simply drop their current provider to satisfy one person get the phone.

The iPhone would sell a lot more if it were on Verizon and Sprint and T-Mobile, However the premium AT&T pays apple for every iPhone sold is good enough to keep the exclusivity with AT&T.

Also to the person saying that Android is gaining on Apple is right.

Android is on every US network, and some have multiple devices. The more and more Droid devices available, the more people buy them, the more developers realize how they can make money developing for the larger company. Before this android craze, their really was no serious competition for Apple. The growing App store, and fast 3GS kept them good. But with basic android devices available for just about anyone, and superphones with 1 Ghz processors and huge screens, their are going to be alot of people who like the Android OS.

However, if the next gen iPhone has a 1 ghz processor, they will be alright.

The speed of the 3GS is still amazing, and even though the 3G and 2G are at like 400 mhz or whatever it is, they are still faster/smoother than the hero, g1, mytouch and your basic android devices (not the ones with the 1ghz) But if apple has a ghz processor that will pull alot, and I mean alot of customers because the way the OS and the hardware work together makes it such a great device.

 

[crackbookpro]

Based on this it appears that Android is taking market share from MS and Palm. It hasn't even made a dent in the Apple market.

Edit: While I do agree that Apple will need to partner with other carriers, I don't think that Android is really that much of an incentive....yet. My reasons are stated in the previous post.

And re: the hardware running Android, I think Apple has proven that most users are more concerned about the overall experience vs. specs. Apple won me over from being a Windows Mobile fanboy (yeah yeah...I know) based on the better experience, not specs.

I have no idea why you are telling me about overall experience vs specs.

You first told me that you disagree about Android having strong gains, so I provided you info... Correct?

Now, back to your latest topic... You are claiming Apple hasn't made a dent in Apple's market. You do realize Apple & Android(Google) are marketing towards the same target audience... They are rivals. They both have intuitive touchscreen smart phones with app store capabilities. Apple's App Store is by far superior, but Android is gaining huge momentum in that regard as well as phone sales. Does this slow down Apple/iPhone???

Yes, it is a main rival for Apple customers. But the bigger stance is on the adoption of Andriod within the entire smartphone market. The more customers using Android is nonetheless a risk now & even more so in the future as Android quickly gains market presence. Do you think AT&T is experiencing less customers switching to AT&T just for the iPhone? I sure do. Does this hurt Apple? Yes, these customers now have a suitable option within their carrier lineup of smartphones - Android OS phones. And guess what, they get locked in for two years for most contracts...

So, to get back to where my original post(s) stemmed from - Apple should be understanding the market presence & gains Android is taking, and realize that Android is a big competitor, and what this could mean in the near future. If they act quickly, and bring the iPhone to other carriers you will see Apple just squash the Android market.

Apple can put out Android's fire...

 

[mjz147]

I agree if the iPhone were on all carriers it will outsell android, simply because everone knows what it is, your nerds, jocks, gangters, businessmen, teachers, evryone knows what the device is and they have all seen how cool it is, if they walk into a store looking for a phone, mind you that most people don't do research on phones, and arent on forums like us reading on phones. They want to play with a phone and see how "cool" it is, and with all the iPhones advertising how great it is and everyone having one, people will buy it. Yes android is highly customizable, but for the average person walking into the store ready to buy a phone the iPhone will be the cooler device.

 

[Geckotek]

I have no idea why you are telling me about overall experience vs specs.

Then go back and read what I typed. It's pretty clear. You touted specs, I stated that Apple has proved that user experience > specs.

You first told me that you disagree about Android having strong gains, so I provided you info... Correct?

You provided data showing that Android has gained 5.2% of the market and that none of that came from Apple. So your facts show in no way that Android is a threat to Apple. (Keep in mind, I'm a former MS fanboy....definately NOT an Apple fanboy....I'm just doing the math and nothing more.)

Now, back to your latest topic... You are claiming Apple hasn't made a dent in Apple's market. You do realize Apple & Android(Google) are marketing towards the same target audience... They are rivals. They both have intuitive touchscreen smart phones with app store capabilities. Apple's App Store is by far superior, but Android is gaining huge momentum in that regard as well as phone sales. Does this slow down Apple/iPhone???

Yes, it is a main rival for Apple customers. But the bigger stance is on the adoption of Andriod within the entire smartphone market. The more customers using Android is nonetheless a risk now & even more so in the future as Android quickly gains market presence. Do you think AT&T is experiencing less customers switching to AT&T just for the iPhone? I sure do. Does this hurt Apple? Yes, these customers now have a suitable option within their carrier lineup of smartphones - Android OS phones. And guess what, they get locked in for two years for most contracts...

So, to get back to where my original post(s) stemmed from - Apple should be understanding the market presence & gains Android is taking, and realize that Android is a big competitor, and what this could mean in the near future. If they act quickly, and bring the iPhone to other carriers you will see Apple just squash the Android market.

Apple can put out Android's fire...

You are completely ignoring the fact that Apple's market share has gone unchanged. Let me state this as clearly as I can:

Apple has lost NO market share to Android.

Here, let me do the math for you:


Palm 7.2% to 5.4% = 1.8% market loss
Microsoft 19.1% to 15.1% = 4% market loss

4 + 1.8 = 5.8

Android 3.8% to 9% = 5.2% market gain (this comes from the 5.8% lost from Palm and Microsoft)

Apple 25.5% to 25.4% = .1% loss...hardly worth mentioning.

RIM is actually the big winner here...42.1% of the market!!!

I agree if the iPhone were on all carriers it will outsell android, simply because everone knows what it is, your nerds, jocks, gangters, businessmen, teachers, evryone knows what the device is and they have all seen how cool it is, if they walk into a store looking for a phone, mind you that most people don't do research on phones, and arent on forums like us reading on phones. They want to play with a phone and see how "cool" it is, and with all the iPhones advertising how great it is and everyone having one, people will buy it. Yes android is highly customizable, but for the average person walking into the store ready to buy a phone the iPhone will be the cooler device.

Exactly! At my Church tonight I was in a room where 4 out of 5 people had an iPhone. There wasn't a single Android phone in the room. I have 2 friends that I know of that have Android phones (and I'm a geek working in IT!!). The iPhone is almost like a virus. Everytime I turn around another friend has one.

 

[crackbookpro]

I have to agree with the naysayers. Do you have any data to backup this claim that Android is making major gains? I haven't seen any.

YOUR POST ABOVE ULTIMATELY STARTED OUR DISAGREEMENT!!!

So, now you understand Android is making major gains... Correct?

If you still don't, here is more...

Check out the Title(s) on these articles - http://www.crn.com/mobile/224200726;jsessionid=X4OLWZOOYTEQXQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2010/03/29/daily34.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/193653/google_android_hits_massive_growth_spurt.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/193857/apples_iphone_os_40_no_threat_to_android.html

Geckotek, all you have to do is read while understanding markets & trends. You aren't stating anything that has made me think you know what you are talking about. I feel you have not the slightest clue...

Please comment on something that will enlighten me, because your previous post was blah...

 

[grantsdale]

We the customers must unite and send apple a message. The time has come to end the AT&T exclusivity with the Iphone. All the bad stories about drop calls should be enough for apple to see that an AT&T extension is not wanted. The Droid revolution is coming strong and people that don’t want AT&T like myself are going to get a Droid meanwhile. All you Iphone lovers that don’t want apple to continue with the exclusivity with AT&T lets unite and send apple a message, cause the Iphone is the #1 smartphone cause we the customers have made it that way.

K. Use it on T-Mobile.

 

[Geckotek]

YOUR POST ABOVE ULTIMATELY STARTED OUR DISAGREEMENT!!!

So, now you understand Android is making major gains... Correct?

If you still don't, here is more...

Check out the Title(s) on these articles - http://www.crn.com/mobile/224200726;jsessionid=X4OLWZOOYTEQXQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2010/03/29/daily34.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/193653/google_android_hits_massive_growth_spurt.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/193857/apples_iphone_os_40_no_threat_to_android.html

Geckotek, all you have to do is read while understanding markets & trends. You aren't stating anything that has made me think you know what you are talking about. I feel you have not the slightest clue...

Please comment on something that will enlighten me, because your previous post was blah...

No, I do get it. Apparently you don't. This isn't hurting Apple one bit. All you have to do is look at Apple's market share. It hasn't lost a single bit. That's it....done and done. Drop it if you don't understand it.

BTW, read the stories....they are just coming up w/ headlines that will sell papers. The truth is in the numbers and they are clear as day. Android is not threatening Apple. Not in the numbers you've posted.

 

[125037]

I like AT&T. I never have dropped calls and I don't even live in a huge city. My 3G speeds are great. I have no complaints.

 

[Geckotek]

I like AT&T. I never have dropped calls and I don't even live in a huge city. My 3G speeds are great. I have no complaints.

It seems most complaints come from the larger cities.

 

[125037]

It seems most complaints come from the larger cities.

Still, I think they have the best network. They just have 8123712937x more people on it so they ARE struggling but they are doing a great job IMO. I live in pensacola which is decent sized, it is def no ATL though.

 

[Geckotek]

Still, I think they have the best network. They just have 8123712937x more people on it so they ARE struggling but they are doing a great job IMO. I live in pensacola which is decent sized, it is def no ATL though.

That's incorrect. Go look up the subscriber counts for AT&T and Verizon.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100506/samsung-no-1-among-u-s-mobile-phone-makers-apple-no-6/

 

[The General]

Speak for yourself. I like AT&T. I also like having all of my friends on the same carrier. Free mobile to mobile = unlimited talk for the cost of the cheapest plan.

I hope no one else gets the iPhone for a long time.

 

[125037]

That's incorrect. Go look up the subscriber counts for AT&T and Verizon.

Hmm... At&t is only about 6mil behind but I GUARANTEE you they have a much, MUCH heavier load as far as data/traffic. And actually while researching this I found that they expect AT&T to surpass verizon here shortly at the current rate... (2-3 years)

 

[Geckotek]

Speak for yourself. I like AT&T. I also like having all of my friends on the same carrier. Free mobile to mobile = unlimited talk for the cost of the cheapest plan.

I hope no one else gets the iPhone for a long time.

I am speaking for myself. I have friends on multiple carriers. The one I'm most concerned about is on Sprint.