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Samsung made lookalikes in the beginning, not bigger displays and smaller bezels. Adding larger displays was a natural progression of OEMs who base their product decisions on how it looks on a comparison chart because they have few means to truly differentiate their products.

As for blind loyalists, you also have the same in the Android camp. Remember the "Why do you need a 10" iPhone?" chant from all the Android devotees when the iPad was introduced? Even the chairman of Google questioned that logic in public. But it wasn't long before Google and its OEMs rushed to market with their own iPad wannabes and the Android crowd loved it.

This.
 
You are talking hypothetical.

Let's talk real life.

Use case 1: Wife lives in U.S. Her mom, sister, 3 brothers, several nieces and nephews live in Canada. On b'days and religious holidays, we FaceTime them all. We don't have to ask if they have Skype. Why? Because we know they all have iOS devices. We don't have to figure out if they use Fring or Skype or ooVoo or whatever.

Take that use case and remove the "ecosystem". Put a mixture of Android phones and Windows phones in various people's hands. Tell me, how do I video chat with all of these people during Xmas?

Use case 2: I have Macs, Apple TVs and iOS devices. Whenever I want so show something on my 50" t.v., I Airplay from my Mac or iOS device to my Apple TV. Whenever I want to play music on my stereo, I Airplay on to my Airport express. For Xmas, I got my kid an iPad mini. She opened the box and right away, she had access the music and videos she previously bought in iTunes and could either watch/listen on her iPad mini or Airplay on AppleTV/Airport express. All this works with almost zero set up.

Let's now take this use case and remove the "ecosystem". Let's say Roku. And you bought your kid some Android tablet. And you bought your spouse a new Windows laptop. What is involved and getting those all to talk to each other so your kid can stream music and video from the Android tablet? And what is involved for your spouse to video stream whatever is on the new Windows laptop?

After you are done walking me through that, then tell me again how ecosystem is nonsense.

I'm in the same boat 95% of my contacts have a iPhone makes zero sense for my to go x platform.
 
Clearly evidence that iPhone users are sick of the current "small screen" format & are holding out for a larger screen or have defected to the S4. :rolleyes: (yes, being sarcastic.)

Hahaha, nice.

Despite the statistics, I was one that got "sick of the current "small screen" format" & was holding out for a larger screen and did defect to the S4.

But if Apple came out with a large screen Phone, and let me decide to not use iOS 7's aesthetics, I may be back. Maybe.

Unfortunately, these reports just seem to reinforce Apple's current position and provide an even smaller incentive for Apple to provide one more (larger) iPhone model. Sigh. I guess I won't be back after all.
 
Again, hypothetical.

I only have FaceTime now. Which restricts me to iOS and Mac users only. But I use it a ton.

I had Skype for a couple of years. You now how ofter I used it? Almost never. Because most people I wanted to video chat with either didn't have Skype set up or couldn't be bothered to figure out how to use it.

Whereas every on iOS device... they don't even have to know or do anything to use FaceTime.

Hangouts might be the greatest thing since sliced bread... that no one I know has ever heard of.

Of course no one you know has ever heard of it; your prior posts all state that you only associate with people who use iOS.

There's a reason why every mass media outlet or interactive interview that's done online is done via Hangouts - ANYONE can access it with very little setup required.
 
No - my point is - if I only use facetime - I have to know that the other person has an iPhone. If I use Tango (which I do) I know that I can call anyone with an iPhone, Windows Phone, Android, etc. And if they don't have it installed - that's an easy fix. Tell me how to get Facetime on another platform and I'd be happy to default to using facetime.

Same with iMessage. I prefer WhatsApp. No need to concern myself with if the other person is going to get charged for an incoming message or not.

But that's ME and my use case. I think Facetime and iMessage are great.

Actually, I am not advocating for you to use FaceTime. I am not even saying that FaceTime is better. All I am saying is, if you are in the apple ecosystem and are leveraging things like FaceTime, considering an Android phone is not a simple phone vs. phone comparison.

Also, if my friend who is on an iPhone called me and asked me to install Tango or whatever, I'd say forget it. I would only know of one person who uses this app. Further, I would say that FaceTime is already on his phone and that is far easier to get that up and running that to muck around with a new app.

If my friend who is on an Android phone called and asked me to install Tango to video chat, then I'd say forget it. Let's talk on the phone instead.
 
You are talking hypothetical.

Let's talk real life.

Use case 1: Wife lives in U.S. Her mom, sister, 3 brothers, several nieces and nephews live in Canada. On b'days and religious holidays, we FaceTime them all. We don't have to ask if they have Skype. Why? Because we know they all have iOS devices. We don't have to figure out if they use Fring or Skype or ooVoo or whatever.

Take that use case and remove the "ecosystem". Put a mixture of Android phones and Windows phones in various people's hands. Tell me, how do I video chat with all of these people during Xmas?

Use case 2: I have Macs, Apple TVs and iOS devices. Whenever I want so show something on my 50" t.v., I Airplay from my Mac or iOS device to my Apple TV. Whenever I want to play music on my stereo, I Airplay on to my Airport express. For Xmas, I got my kid an iPad mini. She opened the box and right away, she had access the music and videos she previously bought in iTunes and could either watch/listen on her iPad mini or Airplay on AppleTV/Airport express. All this works with almost zero set up.

Let's now take this use case and remove the "ecosystem". Let's say Roku. And you bought your kid some Android tablet. And you bought your spouse a new Windows laptop. What is involved and getting those all to talk to each other so your kid can stream music and video from the Android tablet? And what is involved for your spouse to video stream whatever is on the new Windows laptop?

After you are done walking me through that, then tell me again how ecosystem is nonsense.

All of the above have options and YOU are choosing not to use them and calling it an ecosystem.

I can stream from my Macbook Pro to a chromecast for example or get the chromecast to fetch material directly.

Why is using Skype such a big deal for you? It's multi-platform.

As for the Roku, why would you want to stream some to it when it most likely would be able to fetch it itself?

For Music you can use Google Music and it's multi-platform.
 

No, not this. The initial iPad software was just using incredibly blown up apps to fill the screen size of an iPad. So yes, why would anyone want that? It was only when apps were being designed for tablet size devices did their popularity really take off.
 
tragic but true

The bottom of what? Total dominance in worldwide market share?

where people can't afford to pay for premium products. Just ask Michael Dell or any HP executives where this had lead them.

Unfortunately, with our current capitalistic centric economies, only the top 10 percent of the world population can afford to pay premium. I am not here to judge nor want to explore inequality.

Apple is offering premium products, and it is inevitable that only the haves can afford them.

Android can dominate the poor masses of the world, just like Dell, HP or Lenovo. But if you want to make money, well then it is a different story.
 
You are talking hypothetical.

Let's talk real life.

Use case 1: Wife lives in U.S. Her mom, sister, 3 brothers, several nieces and nephews live in Canada. On b'days and religious holidays, we FaceTime them all. We don't have to ask if they have Skype. Why? Because we know they all have iOS devices. We don't have to figure out if they use Fring or Skype or ooVoo or whatever.

Take that use case and remove the "ecosystem". Put a mixture of Android phones and Windows phones in various people's hands. Tell me, how do I video chat with all of these people during Xmas?

You found out that they all have iPhones how? If you're asking what phone they have - it's not at all much different to ask what app they have or to tell them to download an app. Skype, Tango, and others all work cross platform.

You make it sound like some major inconvenience. And it's great that everyone YOU know has an iPhone. But that's your use case. I have friends with a variety of phones. And if they want to video chat, we use tango. I have no idea if they use facetime with other friends or family. I don't care either. That's their thing.

Are you suggesting that my solution can't work for you? All it takes during that same "hey what phone do you have" to say "hey - make sure you download X app so we can all chat"

Also - I have several instances where Apple's servers have been wonky (iMessages not going through and/or facetime chats being unable to connect) More so than with 3rd party apps. MY experience. Maybe not yours. So for reliability - I prefer the 3rd party apps.
 
Of course no one you know has ever heard of it; your prior posts all state that you only associate with people who use iOS.

There's a reason why every mass media outlet or interactive interview that's done online is done via Hangouts - ANYONE can access it with very little setup required.

Hahah..

Man, you are cynical.

If my mom bought an Android phone, I would still love her and spend time with her and call her on her birthday.

If my wife wanted an Android phone, I would not divorce her.

If my kid wanted an Windows tablet, I would not disown her.

It just so happens that the people I care about and talk to all bought iOS devices (very few exceptions). And we all use FaceTime when we can. If I decide to buy an Android phone, that phone would basically make it difficult to reliably video chat with close friends and relatives.

It is possible that the people you interact with in the inter webs are not as farm animal stupid as you think they are.
 
You found out that they all have iPhones how? If you're asking what phone they have - it's not at all much different to ask what app they have or to tell them to download an app. Skype, Tango, and others all work cross platform.

You make it sound like some major inconvenience. And it's great that everyone YOU know has an iPhone. But that's your use case. I have friends with a variety of phones. And if they want to video chat, we use tango. I have no idea if they use facetime with other friends or family. I don't care either. That's their thing.

Are you suggesting that my solution can't work for you? All it takes during that same "hey what phone do you have" to say "hey - make sure you download X app so we can all chat"

Also - I have several instances where Apple's servers have been wonky (iMessages not going through and/or facetime chats being unable to connect) More so than with 3rd party apps. MY experience. Maybe not yours. So for reliability - I prefer the 3rd party apps.
You automatically know when someone has a iphone
 
Re: mini (retina) price vs. Air. The difference is really minimal when you consider the Air is heavily discounted. It's about a $50 difference, which I think is inconsequential at that point. It's just about size and preference not $ saving.

The reason I think the current size will maintain its lead vs a larger screen is adults, esp. men, don't have many places to store a larger phone. The current size fits comfortably in jeans or pants pockets. A Phablet does not. And women, esp at night, carry minimal purses, often just clutches. Again a Phablet won't fit.

What is your reasoning as to why a larger screen will outsell the current size (among all iPhone buyers)?

At least in my family's case, this is not true. My non-techie (like me) wife traded her iPad and iPhone 4s for a Note 3 and couldn't be happier (she carries it easily in her clutch).

I carry an S4 in my pocket daily(no skinny jeans, I'm talking real-man dress pants here) with no issues, although prefer to use a holster (no pockets required).

I know one-size doesn't fit all; everyone's got their tastes. Apple chooses to focus on the small-phone market, and it's paying off for them. I just wish they'd realize what they did with the iPad, Macbooks, and iMacs: different strokes for different folks...
 
You found out that they all have iPhones how? If you're asking what phone they have - it's not at all much different to ask what app they have or to tell them to download an app. Skype, Tango, and others all work cross platform.

You want me to tell my 50 year old sister in law to download an app called Tango to her iPad? And set up an account?

Or my 72 year old mom? Or my 80 year old mother in law?

What if my brother in law wants Skype and my sister in law wants Tango? And Nephew wants ooVoo? And my friend wants Fring? Or do I force everyone to standardize on one client?

I mean, I can't get these guys to agree to where to go to dinner. How do I get them to agree on a singular video chat app?

Look, I get it. There are alternatives. My only point was and continues to be... some folks think that switching from iPhone to Android is as easy as finding which phone has the best specs or has the lowest price. But reality is, there is usually more to it than that.
 
You want me to tell my 50 year old sister in law to download an app called Tango to her iPad? And set up an account?

Or my 72 year old mom? Or my 80 year old mother in law?

What if my brother in law wants Skype and my sister in law wants Tango? And Nephew wants ooVoo? And my friend wants Fring? Or do I force everyone to standardize on one client?

I mean, I can't get these guys to agree to where to go to dinner. How do I get them to agree on a singular video chat app?

Look, I get it. There are alternatives. My only point was and continues to be... some folks think that switching from iPhone to Android is as easy as finding which phone has the best specs or has the lowest price. But reality is, there is usually more to it than that.

I'm only going to address the account set up. With tango - you type in your phone #. I can't imagine anyone not being able to do that if they have a phone or iPad.

But again - since everyone in your circle has an iPhone or is on an iOS device - facetime naturally makes sense. But that's not a universal scenario. What would you do if you wanted to video chat with someone who had an android, windows or other phone? Wouldn't you have to agree on an app to use between the two of you?
 
I'm only going to address the account set up. With tango - you type in your phone #. I can't imagine anyone not being able to do that if they have a phone or iPad.

But again - since everyone in your circle has an iPhone or is on an iOS device - facetime naturally makes sense. But that's not a universal scenario. What would you do if you wanted to video chat with someone who had an android, windows or other phone? Wouldn't you have to agree on an app to use between the two of you?

You already got the answer: "If my friend who is on an Android phone called and asked me to install Tango to video chat, then I'd say forget it. Let's talk on the phone instead."
 
This is where you are wrong, it's not harder and you just choose not to do it.

Maybe you are right.

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I'm only going to address the account set up. With tango - you type in your phone #. I can't imagine anyone not being able to do that if they have a phone or iPad.

But again - since everyone in your circle has an iPhone or is on an iOS device - facetime naturally makes sense. But that's not a universal scenario. What would you do if you wanted to video chat with someone who had an android, windows or other phone? Wouldn't you have to agree on an app to use between the two of you?

Its bizarre. I haven't run into that. I have a nephew who has an Android phone but we don't video chat with him.

I'm out on a limb but I am guessing that in general, he finds video chatting with his mostly iOS family to be a PITA and has just given up.

If I had to, of course I would figure it out. I've used Skype before. It just seemed pointless (and harder to use) given that just about everyone I wanted to video chat with had an iPhone anyway.
 
Samsung made lookalikes in the beginning, not bigger displays and smaller bezels. Adding larger displays was a natural progression of OEMs who base their product decisions on how it looks on a comparison chart because they have few means to truly differentiate their products.

As for blind loyalists, you also have the same in the Android camp. Remember the "Why do you need a 10" iPhone?" chant from all the Android devotees when the iPad was introduced? Even the chairman of Google questioned that logic in public. But it wasn't long before Google and its OEMs rushed to market with their own iPad wannabes and the Android crowd loved it.

Not sure I agree 100% with the above (in bold).

For me and the wife, as consumers, we gravitated to the larger-screen form factor based on appearance; we used our eyes. We looked at our 4ses, looked at the iPhone 5, looked at the S4 and Note 3. We chose the Sammys based on the screen size. Everything else is somewhat equivalent (despite a bit of an initial learning curve after being on iOS for years).

While I prefer Apple's simplicity in many cases (I don't cure cancer with my phone), the small screen suddenly became a deal-breaker, when coupled with Android's functionality today.
 
You want me to tell my 50 year old sister in law to download an app called Tango to her iPad? And set up an account?

Or my 72 year old mom? Or my 80 year old mother in law?

What if my brother in law wants Skype and my sister in law wants Tango? And Nephew wants ooVoo? And my friend wants Fring? Or do I force everyone to standardize on one client?

I mean, I can't get these guys to agree to where to go to dinner. How do I get them to agree on a singular video chat app?

Look, I get it. There are alternatives. My only point was and continues to be... some folks think that switching from iPhone to Android is as easy as finding which phone has the best specs or has the lowest price. But reality is, there is usually more to it than that.

That just made my day..

A simple and straightforward argument FOR simplicity and convenience..There may be a dozen apps better than facetime and people may prefer one over the other...But Facetime brings standardization..Its on your phone all the time..Your freinds, family know whether you have an iphone or not..You want to call someone, just go to the address book and it will give you a Phone call, Face time or Face time Audio option all in one place..No hastle in trying to figure out WHICH apps to download to cover all your freinds and family..Unless you are the WOLF of your circle and dictate to everyone in your circle about which appls to download :)..Facetime is popular because its always there in nearly all IOS devices (almost) and it does not require downloading apps or turning it on and what not..All you have to do is go to the phone launcher and decide whether you want to make a phone call, audio (FT) or a video Facetime call !

I'm only going to address the account set up. With tango - you type in your phone #. I can't imagine anyone not being able to do that if they have a phone or iPad.

But again - since everyone in your circle has an iPhone or is on an iOS device - facetime naturally makes sense. But that's not a universal scenario. What would you do if you wanted to video chat with someone who had an android, windows or other phone? Wouldn't you have to agree on an app to use between the two of you?

There is a huge customer base in the US (and abroad) that have an Iphone, Ipad or Ipad Mini and/or have Mac's that run facetime..Thats a huge number and all unified through Facetime...You could download other apps if you consistantly wished to speak to your buddies who ran android or windows..In my case i only use facetime to chat to my immediately family and my closest freinds all of whom have atleast one iOS device. I do use skype however through my mac and love it!
 
I hear Samsung TVs are nice, but I don't know if I could bring myself to make another major Samsung purchase.

I had a Samsung TV for about two weeks before I returned it. I wanted a TV that could double as a second monitor so I purchased a 20" model that I could also use in my trailer. Well, the colors were a disaster no matter what you set the controls at: default, tuned as far the sliders would let me, various presets, nothing looked good. The yellows screamed at you, green grass on a football field was a neon green, whites were a baby blue, etc. Granted the TV must have been defective but the Samsung customer service, actually lack thereof, is what stopped me from trying Samsung again. They wanted me to call Geek Squad to do a calibration which would cost more than the TV and pay for the calibration on my nickel. I returned the TV to Target and picked up a Sony that was on sale. Bottom line is that I have two Sony's here and one large, really nice, Panasonic plasma TV. No problems with the Sonys or Panasonic.
 
That just made my day..

A simple and straightforward argument FOR simplicity and convenience..There may be a dozen apps better than facetime and people may prefer one over the other...But Facetime brings standardization..Its on your phone all the time..Your freinds, family know whether you have an iphone or not..You want to call someone, just go to the address book and it will give you a Phone call, Face time or Face time Audio option all in one place..No hastle in trying to figure out WHICH apps to download to cover all your freinds and family..Unless you are the WOLF of your circle and dictate to everyone in your circle about which appls to download :)..Facetime is popular because its always there in nearly all IOS devices (almost) and it does not require downloading apps or turning it on and what not..All you have to do is go to the phone launcher and decide whether you want to make a phone call, audio (FT) or a video Facetime call !



There is a huge customer base in the US (and abroad) that have an Iphone, Ipad or Ipad Mini and/or have Mac's that run facetime..Thats a huge number and all unified through Facetime...You could download other apps if you consistantly wished to speak to your buddies who ran android or windows..In my case i only use facetime to chat to my immediately family and my closest freinds all of whom have atleast one iOS device. I do use skype however through my mac and love it!

FYI - my argument was never over convenience or quality of apps. My point was that personally (and everyone is different) - I prefer 3rd party apps because I have family and friends on more than one platform that I video chat and message with. And (for example) when I'm sending pictures, text of videos of my daughter to both sets of grandparents - it's far easier to do via whatsapp than to do it twice (imessage and whatsapp, etc)
 
We have 1 Samsung appliance. It was our first and will be our last. Our Samsung electric range fried itself after just 4 months. Getting it replaced was a disaster. After all was said and done, we were completely without a stove for about 5 weeks and only had a loaner for a couple weeks because I talked Lowes into letting us use one of their cheapest models so that we had something.

I hear Samsung TVs are nice, but I don't know if I could bring myself to make another major Samsung purchase.

I bought a Samsung 7 series LED 2.5 years ago (Latest at the time) for good amount of money. Within 10 months the panel developed a dead pixel line right in the middle. It had a 2 year warranty and still it was a handful to get them to replace it. It was eventually repaired and returned. Another 8 months later same story. Every time it was a battle getting them to honor the warranty. Recently it conked again. Now the service people tell me that it cannot be repaired and the whole panel will have to be replaced. the cost quoted was 60% of the original purchase price. also the technician has the audacity to tell me that it is an old set now and I should sell it off and buy a new TV.

You can safely say I am never gonna buy a Samsung product again.
 
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