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Apple Releases new phone which during the time period outsells Samsung:

Tech Media Reaction: . . .

Samsung Releases new phone which during the time period outsells Apple:

Tech Media Reaction: Oh my god Apple is dead within the year!

Did you also miss the Tech Media outrage about the riots at Samsungs new facilities by construction workers..?
 
You might be surprised what else is out there and hey you might even like them!

Which ones of them will allow me to FaceTime with my friends and family who have iPhones, iPads and Macs?

Which ones of them will allow me to Airplay to my Apple TV?

Which ones of them allow me access to the content I have access to via iTunes?
 
Keep telling that to yourself. The Android sites I visited show the exact same behaviour, it's just less obvious because there are multiple "sub fan bases".

Not sure what sites you visit then but I almost never see any anti-Apple material on any Android site I read.

This site is ok'ish but take sites like Appleinsider...they are extreme in having to include a dig at Android in every second article.
 
wouldn't China be the most profitable smart phone market in the world. They have more people using smartphones than the U.S. has citizens IIRC...

No all of them can afford or want an iPhone. If ur family back home doesnt even have a computer or tablet, u can't Facetime with them. :D
 
Which ones of them will allow me to FaceTime with my friends and family who have iPhones, iPads and Macs?

Which ones of them will allow me to Airplay to my Apple TV?

Which ones of them allow me access to the content I have access to via iTunes?

Your only questions are around using Apple proprietary protocols? lol ok...
 
Which ones of them will allow me to FaceTime with my friends and family who have iPhones, iPads and Macs?

Which ones of them will allow me to Airplay to my Apple TV?

Which ones of them allow me access to the content I have access to via iTunes?

I think his point was there is a world out there besides Apple. :)
 
Your only questions are around using Apple proprietary protocols? lol ok...

Exactly. There are alternatives to all three which are platform independent. Personally - I prefer to use something where I don't have to know what device someone else is using (in the case of video chatting). And since I have various devices - I prefer apps that I can use on all my devices instead of one type on one and another on others.
 
Except inside every other consumer electronic product in your house.

Indeed, I always love seeing that in Apple forums...I will never buy anything Samsung!!! Except Apple products are full of Samsung parts.

Then you get the argument that it wasn't designed by Samsung so it's ok. Talk about delusional.
 
Exactly. There are alternatives to all three which are platform independent. Personally - I prefer to use something where I don't have to know what device someone else is using (in the case of video chatting). And since I have various devices - I prefer apps that I can use on all my devices instead of one type on one and another on others.

Just a guess, but I think that more people use Skype than Facetime.
 
Exactly. There are alternatives to all three which are platform independent. Personally - I prefer to use something where I don't have to know what device someone else is using (in the case of video chatting). And since I have various devices - I prefer apps that I can use on all my devices instead of one type on one and another on others.

Me too like Whatapp's, Viber and Skype.

On a side note, 95% at my work use iPhone's and since I switched back I was quite surprised of the amount of people I have sms'ed haven't had iMessage activated.
 
That's what always pops into my head when I see stats like this. As much as Android fans champion the notion of choice and diversity in their hardware and keeping everything "open", they seem to have no problem collectively with converging around one vendor. Seems to me it's an implicit admission that Apple's business model might actually be the best way to go. I'm just waiting to see if Samsung ever completes that transition by creating their own fork of Android and tailoring it to their hardware. I'm actually surprised they haven't done that yet.

I think in a large part, they've already adopted the business model. Touchwiz is their shining star, love it or hate it. Other OEMs have backtracked on how much they customize Android, except Samsung. That gives them a consistency throughout their products. Familiarity with incremental changes wins repeat business easier than super flashy updates (tho they'd be guilty of the latter to an extent, the functionality of the system remains largely identical to even their Windows phones). Even with an enormous product portfolio, they've consolidated it. They throw their resources behind what should be the biggest seller in each market -- for the US and Canada (and other well-developed markets), the S and Note series are their big winners; where in other less-wealthy nations, they champion the Mega. They've partnered with Best Buy to make a very Apple Store-esque sales experience. I think they will break off Android, and Tizen may be that out -- not a full fork.
 
Your only questions are around using Apple proprietary protocols? lol ok...

But to put the discussion into context, the other person was saying that the only phone they have owned are iPhones. Likely that means that they are in the Apple ecosystem.

Going from iPhone to another phone is not just a matter of comparing specs between an iPhone and some Android equivalent. The matter can be more complex as switching to Android can entail walking away from a set of features and capabilities that are native to only iOS devices.
 
But to put the discussion into context, the other person was saying that the only phone they have owned are iPhones. Likely that means that they are in the Apple ecosystem.

lol ecosystem..love hearing that old chestnut. Personally I think it's a nonsense argument.

Going from iPhone to another phone is not just a matter of comparing specs between an iPhone and some Android equivalent. The matter can be more complex as switching to Android can entail walking away from a set of features and capabilities that are native to only iOS devices.

Depends on what makes you happy I guess, the point is you won't know if you like something else until you try it.
 
Which ones of them will allow me to FaceTime with my friends and family who have iPhones, iPads and Macs?

Which ones of them will allow me to Airplay to my Apple TV?

Which ones of them allow me access to the content I have access to via iTunes?

1.) Hangouts is multiplatform (even on Macs)

2.) Airplay is proprietary - but you knew this, so not sure sure what you were looking to gain on this

3.) See #2

So really is the issue here that you are locked into Apple products and have no other way out? At least Google's services (TV/Movies, Music, Hangouts) is able to be accessed on either iOS or Android. Can't say the same for Apple.

EDIT: Others have pointed this out as well.
 
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But.. but.. but... Android is winning!

They are, this is US only and Android is ahead worldwide. Picking one particular market is kind of pointless.

It's not that pointless... there must be some value in the data they collected.

NPD is a US-based market research firm... talking about a US company, Apple, in their home US market. Take that for what it's worth

You're right... Android is "winning" in the units-sold contest. They have the highest worldwide market share, bar none. But what are they doing with it?

When Android had 60% of the worldwide market... developers and accessory makers still preferred the iPhone.
When Android had 70% of the worldwide market... developers and accessory makers still preferred the iPhone.
When Android had 80% of the worldwide market... developers and accessory makers still preferred the iPhone.

It doesn't look like all that Android market share is doing anything. So what exactly is Android "winning" anyway?

I haven't seen any results... other than seeing the headline "Android dominates worldwide smartphone market share" every few months.

It makes a great headline... but there's no compelling story afterwards.

It's actually kinda sad when 8 out of 10 smartphones sold are running Android... yet the iPhone gets all the support.

Then again... "Android" is made up of dozens of manufacturers and hundreds of phones around the world. It includes flagship Android phones and cheap junk Android phones.

So take that for what it's worth...

Android market share doesn't distinguish between the good Android phones and the crappy Android phones. All phones get counted equally. Shouldn't the crappy Android phones get weighed against Android somehow?

Out of 100 smartphones sold... 80 of them are "Android" and 12 are iPhones.

Well... how many of those 80 Android phones are complete garbage phones sold in developing nations that barely have 3G coverage? Quite a few actually.

Yet the headline simply reads "Android dominates worldwide smartphone market share"

Android may be "winning" but it seems like a hollow victory...
 
Indeed, I always love seeing that in Apple forums...I will never buy anything Samsung!!! Except Apple products are full of Samsung parts.

Then you get the argument that it wasn't designed by Samsung so it's ok. Talk about delusional.

It's all about how people justify it to themselves. "Well, I hate Samsung, but I couldn't have an iPhone without it so I have no other choice but I will be DAMNED if I ever buy something Samsung."

Wait... :confused:
 
Exactly. There are alternatives to all three which are platform independent. Personally - I prefer to use something where I don't have to know what device someone else is using (in the case of video chatting). And since I have various devices - I prefer apps that I can use on all my devices instead of one type on one and another on others.

So your argument is, you would rather use a video chat client wherein you don't have to know what device someone else is using.

Yet, you are now reliant on that other person having installed the same chat client as you. Right? Honest question, I don't know the answer... can someone who uses Skype call someone who uses ooVoo or Fring?

I can tell you that anyone who has an iPhone that has a forward facing camera has FaceTime. How do you go about checking
 
So all Apple needs to do is come out with the edge-to-edge 4.5" or 5" screen and then offer a trade-in program for any old Android device. You know there are millions of those laying around doing nothing. Just drag your clunker in for a shiny new 6c.

Apple will NEVER offer a trade in program. These things are done by companies desperate for customers...
 
You do realize Samsung isn't the only phones with larger than a 4" screen, right? S4, LG, G2, Nexus 5... the list goes on. The problem with this graph is Apple is the only manufacturer selling a phone with iOS on it. Look how many companies sell Android phones. A more fair comparison would be Apple vs. Android phones. If you add all the other companies that make Android phones up, it clearly blows Apple away. I'm sure if other comanies made phones with iOS on it, it would not look nearly as skewed as it does here.

Even a android vs apple graph it's still success for apple. 3 phones vs 600+ phones
 
lol ecosystem..love hearing that old chestnut. Personally I think it's a nonsense argument.

You think?

Do you have any actual meat to your argument? Or do people usually find your contentless statements to be persuasive on their own?
 
So your argument is, you would rather use a video chat client wherein you don't have to know what device someone else is using.

Yet, you are now reliant on that other person having installed the same chat client as you. Right? Honest question, I don't know the answer... can someone who uses Skype call someone who uses ooVoo or Fring?

I can tell you that anyone who has an iPhone that has a forward facing camera has FaceTime. How do you go about checking

I think was more the point that you don't need a specific type of hardware to have the corresponding software...

If you only have Facetime and I have Hangouts, I need to buy an Apple product to talk to you. You would only need to download software that's free. Which is easier?
 
But.... But... 3.5 inch screen is the perfect size. Why do the blind loyalist now want a 4+ inch screen. The loyalist said a 4 inch screen couldn't be used with one hand. But on the iPhone it's possible. They said 4.3 inches was too big too, now they say 4.7 inch is the sweet spot. Why does the loyalist's goal posts keep moving?
They said a cheaper iPhone will kill Android, but somehow it didn't work out that way. They all laughed at the bigger screens, but now they follow Samsung who has made bigger screens and smaller bezels since the beginning.

can you please quote some of your un-sourced assertions?
 
You think?

Do you have any actual meat to your argument? Or do people usually find your contentless statements to be persuasive on their own?

Sure, other than iTunes, facetime, iMessage and a few other things what exactly do Apple have combined with their other products actually have that would be considered an "ecosystem"? Even then, all of the above have substitutes in one form or another.

Having proprietary protocols is great if the other devices you talk to supports it.
 
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