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Apple Will Begin Notifying Users of Information Requests from Law Enforcement

TantalizedMind said:
I'm not even trying to be funny or a jerk. I can laugh at myself. Half of my favorites do happen to be conspiracy therioes. I like watching them all. Well except for those ones about the leaders of the world being lizard people. I mean you never know... but I don't believe it.

I think.. :)
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Like you say, seems bogus even if David Ickes says so. New take on that I saw recently: the "reptilians" are humans who are dominated by their R complex. Obviously true.
 
Dr McKay said:
That would drive me crazy knowing, I'd be so paranoid, wanting to know why.
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........and you will get phishing attempts with spoofed government e-mail addresses from Nigeria, Russia etc.

I guess better than the esteemed honorable Reverend whose widow wants to give you millions.

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The Doctor11 said:
I value my rights. But I also think that some people need to go to jail. But my question is this. If you the innocent person get an email from apple saying the gov. Asked for your info what are you going to do. Come on what would you do? Hide stuff? Bad people can do that to. You do not need a notice before they look at it. After would be good. They will not stop doing this. And what about your house? With a warrant they can go in your house. A cop can look into your car and given a reason could look through the car with exception to the glove box and trunk. But you can get a warrant for the glove box and truck just by making a phone call on the spot. I do think that there should be warrants set up for going into some ones phone or personal info but that's it.
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Next electronic warrants via a Warrant app. iWarrant downloadable by the police etc.
Printable within their cars via air print.

Gotta love technology!
 
luckydcxx said:
this is terrible, way to let criminal enterprises and drug dealers get away with it.

if you have nothing to hide why do you care? this only helps criminals and terrorists. i am very disappointed in Apple.
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Very dissapointed in apple? Clearly you love giving it up to big brother. :rolleyes:
 
To be honest, I wouldn't place much faith in this move. I applaud Apple for doing it, but I'd never believe "I have never been notified" means "My data has never been requested/viewed". For me at least, the trust is gone.

As for why it's a good idea - the CIA was/is engaged in economic espionage on the EU "because European companies bribe"*. (I find that incredibly funny, given how often we've had American clients requesting kickbacks. It's in no way a European "thing") So, information collected for the war on terror is used to give American companies a competitive advantage.

The only reason to have no issues with your privacy invaded is if you have complete and implicit trust in the Government, its motives and methods. Personally, I don't. Because people are flawed.

(* see comments by ex-CIA director James Woolsey)
 
DBZmusicboy01 said:
It's stupid how everything we do it's tracked....No one should have their personal info stolen from them.
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I agree. There are some people out there that think compromise of this data is "part of the deal" of being on the internet, subscribing to a service - or whatever - it's not, even if it happens anyway.
 
whooleytoo said:
To be honest, I wouldn't place much faith in this move. I applaud Apple for doing it, but I'd never believe "I have never been notified" means "My data has never been requested/viewed". For me at least, the trust is gone.

As for why it's a good idea - the CIA was/is engaged in economic espionage on the EU "because European companies bribe"*. (I find that incredibly funny, given how often we've had American clients requesting kickbacks. It's in no way a European "thing") So, information collected for the war on terror is used to give American companies a competitive advantage.

The only reason to have no issues with your privacy invaded is if you have complete and implicit trust in the Government, its motives and methods. Personally, I don't. Because people are flawed.

(* see comments by ex-CIA director James Woolsey)
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I agree with you. The "If you've got nothing to hide why complain" crowd are throwing out a cardinal American governmental principle, that of checks on absolute power. This is not new, and it did not start with the war on terror. Like you, I don't think an announcement that a company will inform customers about government requests for personal information means much at all, other than an unintended insult.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012...-no-american-would-have-any-privacy-left.html
 
unplugme71 said:
I see many 'requests' from Police stating that the end-user can't be notified. This is mostly a PR stunt.
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Absolutely, all requests will be done that way by law enforcement. This just gives people that are paranoid some relief.
 
For those of you who think that the intrusion of government into our private lives is nothing to worry about, I suggest you do a little research. If you want that research in literary form, try 'Little Brother' by Cory Doctrow. It's an entertaining if worrying book aimed at young adults that is quite readable by grown ups such as me and certainly should not be considered beneath anyone dumb enough to think this is all ok. The West is in a slow yet visible descent into fascism and totalitarianism with the US at the helm. Give it twenty years and you'll hear me saying told you so. These are deeply worrying times, not least, because the majority haven't spotted it yet. Like frogs in a pan we'll only realise our mistake when we see the bubbles round our necks and smell soup on the boil.
 
larrylaffer said:
In this case how long the notification will come before the data is turned over. I would imagine the government wants it to be as short as they can get it so you can't tamper anything.
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It's always too late to destroy anything. Once it's on Apple's servers, it's there. You can't delete it from their servers, only delete your ability to access it.

If nothing else, this might get people to stop documenting their inappropriate thoughts and actions via the internet and cloud. We should always review what we're about to send via text, email, and other means and determine possible ramifications related to making the information public or useable by the NSA. Anything you send can or will be spun and used out of context by political or social activists. You can't even say anything in private anymore without being spun, taken out of context, and crucified as illustrated by the recent fiasco with Donald Sterling.
 
Right now the info gathered is to be used to find "terrorists".

With that info on a hard drive-and you're classified a communist, a facist, a patriot, a leftist, a democrat, a republican, a tea party member, NAACP advocate, a right wing radical, a left wing radical>>> then the opposite of you becomes the ruling administration. NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THESE WARRANTLESS SEARCHES.

Scary stuff if you ask me-anyone notice this Bill
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-colmes/congressional-democrats-m_b_5173493.html

Crazy times, laws selectively enforced, up is down and down is up. Illegal's get better benefits in some cases than legals-way crazy.
 
luckydcxx said:
Absolutely, all requests will be done that way by law enforcement. This just gives people that are paranoid some relief.
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How hypocritical you are. It's funny that you call other people paranoid, meanwhile you're worried about terrorists living next door to you. You'll never be completely safe. Just ask the Boston marathon bombing victims. Even with all the post-9/11 laws we have those two men were still able to commit that act. The only thing the government can guarantee you is the illusion of safety. If you're that afraid of the outside world, build yourself an underground bunker and stay there. The rest of us will be living our daily lives, which always includes some small chance you could be killed that day, whether by a car accident or an act of terrorism or anything else.
 
The only way to stop the government from interfering with anything, is to be like "Men In Black."

going round, not having any identity..

least you may not be able stop it, but can sure help reduce it to a minimum by not let people know in the first place.
 
vipergts2207 said:
How hypocritical you are. It's funny that you call other people paranoid, meanwhile you're worried about terrorists living next door to you. You'll never be completely safe. Just ask the Boston marathon bombing victims. Even with all the post-9/11 laws we have those two men were still able to commit that act. The only thing the government can guarantee you is the illusion of safety. If you're that afraid of the outside world, build yourself an underground bunker and stay there. The rest of us will be living our daily lives, which always includes some small chance you could be killed that day, whether by a car accident or an act of terrorism or anything else.
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It's a fact that there are terrorists living in the US. I'm not paranoid I am informed.
 
So, the fact a warrant isn't required to "just barge in and search" ?

No right i tell ya..... still. they do have their right to criminal cases, just not an innocent case/lead..

Even it it reckons it may help them, it won't help me if i am sleeping..

They would have just disturbed my nap ....
 
Southern Dad said:
I'm mixed on this one. Personally, I don't have anything to hide in my iPhone. I think that whatever analyst was assigned to go over my iPhone's contents would be so bored, he'd have to add some juicy stuff. However, if I were to receive a notification that Apple had received a law enforcement request, I'd then be paranoid for weeks even though, I'm too busy being boring to have done anything.

Personally, I'd rather the government have to present YOU with the warrant then the secret peek. Before this thread, I didn't know the government had been allowing secret peeks into people's houses which is filled with just as boring stuff as my iPhone. Now, I'm wanting to add a few hidden cameras and door sensors so I'll know if Big Brother has decided to look in on my. Will they be able to turn on my Xbox One's Kinect and spy? No more naked exercise workouts.
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Haha. Well any analyst looking through my cell phone pictures would probably have a ball of a time. :p Some of those pictures could be used for blackmail against decent people that aren't committing a crime, but could be embarrassing or career damaging if shown to the wrong person.

The government should acquire a warrant to rummage through my property. I don't trust any organization to have absolute power over citizens. It neutralizes the ability for whistle-blowing and you end up with corrupt officials manipulating the masses because the populaces has no power to dissent. We've seen it time and time again throughout history with the Soviet KGB, Nazi SS, Tienanmen Square.

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luckydcxx said:
It's a fact that there are terrorists living in the US. I'm not paranoid I am informed.
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If there were explicit limits to regulating these kinds of searches to terrorist, human/weapon trafficking activity, then it would be fine, but there would need to be a very definition for what constitutes a right to search, than I would be ok with it, and only if it is limited to specific branch of the government with proper oversight. Granting this kind of authority with no guard rails to all government agencies including low level local law enforcement leaves to much opportunity for abuse.
 
elev8d said:
Haha. Well any analyst looking through my cell phone pictures would probably have a ball of a time. :p Some of those pictures could be used for blackmail against decent people that aren't committing a crime, but could be embarrassing or career damaging if shown to the wrong person.
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The only ones mine could blackmail is my 11-year-old daughter and her 5-year-old sister a decade from now.
 
luckydcxx said:
It's a fact that there are terrorists living in the US. I'm not paranoid I am informed.
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You are not informed, you are letting them win.

Think about the world's ugliest terrorist aka the "shoe bomber". No explosives in his shoes exploded, because he wasn't only ugly but also incompetent. He'll spend a long time in prison. However, between us all we have spent 100 times more time taking off and putting on shoes in airports than he will ever spend in jail. And _that's_ how terrorists win.

And here people are seriously talking about giving up their rights out of fear of terrorists. You let the terrorists win.
 
gnasher729 said:
You are not informed, you are letting them win.

Think about the world's ugliest terrorist aka the "shoe bomber". No explosives in his shoes exploded, because he wasn't only ugly but also incompetent. He'll spend a long time in prison. However, between us all we have spent 100 times more time taking off and putting on shoes in airports than he will ever spend in jail. And _that's_ how terrorists win.

And here people are seriously talking about giving up their rights out of fear of terrorists. You let the terrorists win.
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I don't think making me take my shoes off is a win...
 
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