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The situation must be really dire at Apple, if they don't have the resources to make a simple Maps feature compliant with EU law. Should we be worried?

Unless they only did it out of spite, then it would make more sense.
Or, they have serious concerns with companies like Google and Meta being able to get a list of literally every place you've ever been so they can sell ads against it. Because if Apple offers a feature, they have to let anyone else offer it too, per the DMA.
 
You can try messing with free market economics on a smaller scale, but from a global market point of view if a customer is harder or less profitable to do business with, they lose priority.

Regardless of whether you think governments should tell businesses how they should operate, like with children, incentives work out better then punishments. If they were given tax breaks or subsidies for compliance, Apple would do whether the EU wanted.
 
Help me understand (genuinely asking) - why would Apple not do this? To me, this seems to risk their bottom line more than the profit they'd gain from complying with the EU - so why would they not just do it - like Microsoft/Google?

Because "users' security could be compromised if the company is obliged to open up its ecosystem to competitors".

...as reported in the pro business narratives PR piece from the American business mouthpiece known as the WSJ.
 
Because "users' security could be compromised if the company is obliged to open up its ecosystem to competitors".

...as reported in the pro business narratives PR piece from the American business mouthpiece known as the WSJ.
if you read Noam Chomsky's works you will start to understand the difference of narrative between what corporations say to western media and what they do in the third world to help achieve their big numbers.
 
For my uses and requirements, too many changes too often with Apple. More pain than gain.
 
but they do like to work with apple to spy on the Uyghurs.
Some decent citation or or proof that’s it’s targeted and or happening.
The iPhone value proposition in the EU is already abysmal, and now that they're getting features at a later date it's even worse. Unfortunately Gen Z is obsessed with iphones so even a new Poco F1/Galaxy Fold moment wouldn't be enough
Good for Apple that gen z is obsessed with iPhones.
 
Or, they have serious concerns with companies like Google and Meta being able to get a list of literally every place you've ever been so they can sell ads against it. Because if Apple offers a feature, they have to let anyone else offer it too, per the DMA.
Apple nonetheless enables google and microsoft for billions of dollars to do so by offering their services in the app store so there's no reason to defend them here.
 
China is not turning Apple into a public utility.
Aren't they?

- China is the only country where Apple had to give up control of the iCloud data centres.
- Apple also has to use local partnerships for AI services. No foreign data models or processing outside of China is allowed.
- Super apps like WeChat would never be allowed on US or EU app stores.

Those are only a handful of policies that have made the news outside of China. I'm sure there are others.

They haven't messed with Apple's fees yet, though. I can't prove it, but it seems very likely that all Chinese internet giants will just negotiate secret deals with Apple.
 
Aren't they?

- China is the only country where Apple had to give up control of the iCloud data centres.
Blackberry did the same for the saudis.
- Apple also has to use local partnerships for AI services. No foreign data models or processing outside of China is allowed.
So?
- Super apps like WeChat would never be allowed on US or EU app stores.
Again So?
Those are only a handful of policies that have made the news outside of China. I'm sure there are others.

They haven't messed with Apple's fees yet, though. I can't prove it, but it seems very likely that all Chinese internet giants will just negotiate secret deals with Apple.
You may not like the laws in china but they are not turning Apple into a public utility.
 
It's telling that neither of these 3 scenarios is actually true. Microsoft's implementation of kernel access was completely up to them, and as we're seeing right now, they're undoing it and the EU isn't batting an eye. Why? Because how it was in the first place was never something the EU asked them to do. They required Microsoft to give equal access, that didn't mean they had to give kernel access or implement that in the way that they did. They're undoing it now because the CrowdStrike issue caused Microsoft brand damage.
Giving third parties "equal access" literally led to shutting down the world's internet for three days. When asked, the EU said "nobody told us that giving kernel access was a security problem." So, point to Apple being correct there - the EU has already shown it doesn't know what it's talking about and can't think through the consequences of their regulations.

The cookie pop-ups are only as bad as they are, yet again, because a few companies have made it their lives work to make the situation as bad as they could, the EU doesn't require websites to show cookie banners, websites just opted to be as much a nuisance as they could.
The EU mandated websites get permission from users to use cookies. How are they supposed to do that without asking the user? Honestly? How can you argue that's not the EU's fault? You can argue it's worth it, but not that it's not the EU's fault. If the EU thought websites could somehow get users' permission to use cookies without asking them, that's another point in Apple's favor that the EU isn't qualified to be regulating technology. Or, more likely, they assumed websites would just stop tracking users because they are incapable of thinking through the consequences of their regulations.

And finally, the EU never mandated all phones use Micro-USB. That's just flat out false in any regard.
I never said they did, I said they tried to, which is a fact. Apple pushed back, got them to make it voluntary and count an adapter is acceptable, which worked until the EU decided that wasn't good enough anymore.

They told the industry to standardize around a common port, something the industry - including Apple - agreed with, and then proceeded to do as such around USB-C, except for Apple, which in turn resulted in the EU making it an actual law.
Which is an incredibly stupid idea that will stifle innovation, even if we temporarily benefit. Apple was clearly moving to USB-C and now we'll never have a better port because there's no financial incentive for anyone to build one. For example, had something like this been in place in the early 2000s, we would almost certainly would have never gotten MagSafe, because Apple would have been required to use the EU's solution and there wouldn't have been any reason to develop it. Again, can't think through consequences of their regulations.

Each and every example you give is an example of corporation's anti-consumer behavior, so I guess, yeah, this situation is actually the same after all.
Each and every example I gave is an example of the EU's complete inability to think through the consequences of their regulations, which I agree is the case here too.
 
No there is none, and if they exist, they are invented by corporations with malicious interests behind.
There are reasons to defend Apple. If you don’t like Apple there are hundreds of competitors. A for profit consumer oriented company that is both influential and popular.
unfortunately in big 2025 many people still argue as if they're shareholders...
It’s called opinions.
 
how is Apple being turned into a public utility again? where can I officially download Mac OS for my ThinkPad?
 
In short, everything stays exactly the same, this is how they run things in Europe and many other places all over the world. Only now they found a convenient shield to hide behind, even if the EU does genuinely create hurdles for them at times.
It stands to reason Apple would prefer to roll out services in most any country it can, in order to make a profit from doing so. Never mind morals, ethics, politics, etc... I don't think they're looking for convenient shields/excuses to avoid making money. If services don't roll out in a potential market for a long time, if ever, there's a reason.
Apple is jsut hiding behind EU bc they have no resorces to support other languages then english and chinese, the whole secret.
Practical question...if your assertion is accurate, is it really that hard for Apple, with the resources they have, to support other languages? You said other than English and Chinese, okay, those cover huge swaths of humanity, but what about German, French and Spanish? Would it be so impractical for Apple to get those covered?

As a thought exercise, I try to understand how Apple would operate if it were a greedy, mercenary company operated by sociopaths, because while I don't think that's the case, it gives me some insight into what outcomes a free market tends to drive. I would think operating in more major languages would not stand in their way, but admittedly not an area I'm well-informed about.
 
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Look at this way, you have a company that has a very large staff that is technology base or government of bureaucrats which one do you think knows more about technology and security?
Considering apples is largely made up of lawyers today and the commission is staged by technocrats… plus reading their case files.

Apple have zero clue what they’re talking about outside of PR spin and FUD. They where asked to provide evidence for most of their claims and more often than not they didn’t even bother with any data outside of emotional arguments 🤷‍♂️
 
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