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Practical question. Let's say an American with a MacBook Pro and iPhone (recent generations) goes to the E.U., let's say Germany if a specific location matters, for a month. And let's say his MacOS and iOS are up-to-date and have all the features working.

While he's in the E.U., do those features Americans have that the Europeans don't still work for him, or not?

What if he uses a VPN?

Conversely, what happens when a European tourist with a MacBook Pro and iPhone are in the United States?

What happens if a European tourist buys a MacBook Pro in the United States and sets it up here before going home? What happens when he gets home? Do the features quit working?
I assume it has to do with the location in your AppleID and credit card...but I am just guessing. I don't know
 
Thinking about it from the other thread, the things Apple has deployed against developers and now citizens doesn't half reflect their efforts to thwart the unionisation of their employees some years ago*

It's a deliberate attempt to cajole users into moaning at the authorities to convince them to protect their shareholders rail against the EU.

I think Apple massively overestimates how compelling it's new features are. When they delayed AI you could just picture the whole of France giving a stereotypical shrug and getting on with their lives.
 
Color me surprised when you said users weren't harmed by the EU. 😂
Considering without the DMA we would be exactly the same place. As iOS features always takes time to be developed outside the U.S….

How can I consider something as harm if it’s literally the same outcome. With the exception we will be able to deploy local replacement without needing to wait on Apple
 
“Tools such as "visited places" in the Maps app will not be available in the EU when iOS 26 is released later this year.”

How is this contravening the DMA if Apple Maps data is anonymous, as Apple claimed?

Also, if Apple really cared about users “security”, how come macOS remains open to any third party developers - we can install all sorts of freeware, shareware, spamware and paid apps. And it has been like this since the dawn of macOS.

Something does not add up in Apple’s narrative…
 
I don’t think so. Cars, phones, TV’s, consoles and thousands of products and services are sold from all over the world here without any issues or fines.
The EU wasn’t able to find Apple a limply so they invented a new term to catch Apple; gatekeeper. Even though Apple has a minority share across thebEU. None of those manufacturers of cars, tvs, game consoles are called gatekeepers. But some streaming services should.
Apple and Meta are the only ones who have been fined because they don’t comply with the laws and are trying to find loopholes to piss them even more off. All other companies big and small just complied and made minor adjustments.
The DMA is badly written as a “law” and attempts to deprive Apple of their revenue. Hence Apple is trying to follow the law.
If Apple is withholding features it is beneficial for third party developers and services anyway who already offer the same or better functionality while complying with the laws. They are only hurting themselves by chasing customers to the competition.
The DMA is hurting everybody and innovation.apple withholding features is to avoid giving away their r&d for free.
 
Considering without the DMA we would be exactly the same place

from the article:
"Apple has to comply with the European Union's Digital Markets Act (DMA)"
"Andeer said that the changes Apple has had to make to bring its products into compliance with the rules 'create real privacy, security, safety risks to our users.'"

Either way, DMA or not, it's a EU problem.
 
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“Tools such as "visited places" in the Maps app will not be available in the EU when iOS 26 is released later this year.”

How is this contravening the DMA if Apple Maps data is anonymous, as Apple claimed?

Also, if Apple really cared about users “security”, how come macOS remains open to any third party developers - we can install all sorts of freeware, shareware, spamware and paid apps. And it has been like this since the dawn of macOS.

Something does not add up in Apple’s narrative…
It’s not diametrically opposite to care about users and have an open computer system. Dont understand why that may be a foreign concept.
 
Everyone cheered when EU regulations forced Apple to convert to USB-C - how do you all feel about this, now? It is never about consumer protection, it is always about control - big government ruins everything it touches.

To be fair - I was in full support of the USB-C conversion, but a governmental regulation was not how I wanted to see it.
 
That's BS. EU is the best project on European soil after WW2.
I disagree, would quit EU like not even right now but five minutes ago.

Eu is a mess for countries, just more politician to feed and strange regulation wich do no benefit.

100% would like to quit asap.

On topic, Apple acts like they had feature parity before….. wich they never did, there are plenty examples of things that rolled out in US that came later or didn’t even came at all in other countries…
 
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Apple profusely disagrees with the implementation of the DMA and argues that it degrades the quality of its products, exposes users to security and privacy risks, and makes rolling out updates in the EU more complicated.

As someone that lives in Europe... Why can't EU just allow companies to innovate? This "regulate instead of innovate" is getting really really annoying with EU.
 
The EU mandated websites get permission from users to use cookies. How are they supposed to do that without asking the user? Honestly? How can you argue that's not the EU's fault? You can argue it's worth it, but not that it's not the EU's fault. If the EU thought websites could somehow get users' permission to use cookies without asking them, that's another point in Apple's favor that the EU isn't qualified to be regulating technology. Or, more likely, they assumed websites would just stop tracking users because they are incapable of thinking through the consequences of their regulations.

It will never cease to amaze me how a clientele that insists they buy Apple products because they value privacy -- and I assume by extension the ability to have a say in how their personal data is collected, used, shared and whatnot -- continues to take such offence with the fact that that websites have to get their consent for collecting data that isn't necessary to run the provided service.

Companies could of course have tried to find a technical solution to the problem, for example by setting specific permissions at browser level and by websites obeying those settings.

Would that have been a better solution? Probably yes. Would there have been similar complaints about how it's unacceptable that someone regulates how industry can design their products? Probably also yes.

I don't believe for a second that the big companies aren't doing whatever they can to still track all of us however they can, but I'd rather have a consent pop up before I access a webpage to throw a spanner into their operations and big fines to at least swing a bit of a stick rather than moan about how it's so inconvenient.

I will never understand why the pop up is the issue and not the unrestricted and overbearing tracking -- particularly among privacy-conscious Apple users.
 
“Tools such as "visited places" in the Maps app will not be available in the EU when iOS 26 is released later this year.”

How is this contravening the DMA if Apple Maps data is anonymous, as Apple claimed?
Apple doesn't want to give Google and Meta access to this feature because they would use it to violate Apple customers' privacy. If Apple has it, Google, Meta, and whoever else wants it get access too, per the infinite wisdom of the DMA.

Also, if Apple really cared about users “security”, how come macOS remains open to any third party developers - we can install all sorts of freeware, shareware, spamware and paid apps. And it has been like this since the dawn of macOS.

Something does not add up in Apple’s narrative…
Different platforms can have different rules. One platform was created before the internet existed, and has ~100m users. The other was designed to be always connected and has over 1 billion users. There's a strong argument that a platform that has more unsophisticated users than MacOS has users total should have tighter security, and one that was established before software downloads existed might have different, more permissive rules than one that was originally designed to not have third-party software at all.

You don't have to agree with the argument, but given it's Apple's software, they should be the ones making that decision, not government bureaucrats.
 
Well, it’s a balance. In one side we got apple to use the same charging port for all their devices finally but for other we can’t use a maps feature 😂

You also get something like 6-7 years protection from manufacturing defects, which often negates the need to purchase standard AppleCare (without accidental damage).
 
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Somehow they don't have a problem with regulation in China:


Funny, isn't it?
I don’t think this feature is due to regulation. You can do this with the Google Photos and OneDrive apps.
 
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