I doubt the carriers want to bite a hand that feeds them - but I would imagine they could also file given that they actually would have lost potential revenue if these messages were sent out as texts vs iMessage. Also for the potential hours of customer service required to respond to those people having issues with their phones.
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Apple Will Face Lawsuit Over Phone-Switching iMessage Issue
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Nothing I said was rude nor insulting. If he would have read the article you would know that there was NO effective way including disabling it from the phone. Someone posted this after you so I will repost it.
"1. Wouldn't work if phone was stolen.
2. Wouldn't work if phone was lost.
3. Wouldn't work if phone was broken.
4. Even if the user still had the phone in many cases it would not work, as stated in the article."
It seems that to make Apple actually own up to it and actually deal with the issue it might unfortunately make it worthy given that Apple wasn't really doing much all these years prior to the lawsuit.
To all the people out there that think apple had no way to fix this issue a long time ago you are sadly mistaken. This article has been on apples support pages since iMessage was introduce and is updated all the time. TS5185
People are quick to blame apple but don't do the basic research or possibly just visit an Apple Store to resolve issues. People love to search the Internet to see if anyone else has the same issue but neglect to search on how to fix it. America! To stupid to ask the right questions or ask for help so I'm just going to sue!!
People are quick to blame apple but don't do the basic research or possibly just visit an Apple Store to resolve issues. People love to search the Internet to see if anyone else has the same issue but neglect to search on how to fix it. America! To stupid to ask the right questions or ask for help so I'm just going to sue!!
Or, you know, Apple's own solutions or workarounds didn't actually work for a lot of people (but nothing much was being done to help those people until just now when they released a tool to do it).
Let me ask you this simple question. How do you know you're not getting text messages if you aren't getting them?
While some friends or family might follow up with you, they also might not because not everyone responds to every text. Further - technology is not infallible and enough people have realized that they don't always get their texts/ That does not excuse Apple though from knowing they have an issue and not rectifying it correctly.
Nothing was actively being done because people didn't try, apple has had a support article on trouble shooting iMessage and deactivating it for years. People are to lazy to try and help them selfs, they just expect others to fix it. I challenge anyone to just go to an Apple Store and listen to the customers. I spent some time in an Apple Store the other day and was absolutely shocked at the stupidity of customers. The number one thing I heard was "customer: I have had this issue ever since I got the phone, apple tech:how long ago did you purchase it? Customer: a year and a 1/2 ago." The customer was out of warranty and pissed off at the guy. I'm sorry but if your too lazy to fix an issue you are having or to lazy to notify apple of your issue so they can fix it when you have the issue then you are just stupid. My favorite quote was " it's broken fix it! What's broken sir? It just doesn't work! Ok what doesn't work? They phone doesn't work! So you can't make phone calls? No I can make calls its just broken!. How does that help someone who is trying to resolve your issue? Two hours and it was non stop people who had "issues" but didn't know what they were, or I read online that this is an issue. people want to attack apple but never actually give apple a chance to help them. People just read on the Internet and start a mob mentality of hate. If you have a problem with your apple product don't piss and moan and cry on the Internet or start a lawsuit. Go into an Apple Store or go to apple support. Stop trying to sue people. Like the guy who tried to sue apple because the system software update auto downloaded to his phone. Really?
You are correct that in those circumstances you could not do anything. Which is why I mentioned that what he said was not a full defense (and why I think the suit has merit). He merely pointed out that most people had an active way to prevent the problem... by logging out before switching. Nothing in the article (I.e. your "read the full article" jab) changes that... What he said still remains true. Would have been far more informative to people reading that have no idea about the subject to point out those situations... rather than ripping the guy...
There is no issue that's what no one understands. There is no glitch, it comes down to registering your phone number for a service and When you don't want that service anymore you didn't deactivate it. If you move houses you expect your uttilities and Internet company to just know you moved? Come on people you blaming apple for you not saying hey I don't want your service anymore is crazy.
Seems like either you haven't read enough about this issue or just ignoring quite a bit of it--quite a few people followed all kinds of suggestions from Apple and did the things that were supposed to work, but they didn't work. Apple themselves admitted there was an issue. Makes pretty much anything else said to deny this or make it seem like there isn't an issue rather inconsistent with reality.
How is it Apple's fault that someone is trying to use their iPhone to send iMessages to someone that no longer has an iPhone and is no longer an iMessage user?
Anyway, the whole thing will disappear because SMS doesn't support read receipts. SMS was never intended for critical communication, and no SMS messages are being "blocked" by anyone because no SMS messages are even being sent in these scenarios.
"I don't get my SMS messages after switching away from an iPhone." Of course you don't...the other users aren't sending you SMS messages--they've told their devices to send you iMessages.
Anyway, the whole thing will disappear because SMS doesn't support read receipts. SMS was never intended for critical communication, and no SMS messages are being "blocked" by anyone because no SMS messages are even being sent in these scenarios.
"I don't get my SMS messages after switching away from an iPhone." Of course you don't...the other users aren't sending you SMS messages--they've told their devices to send you iMessages.
That's why Apple said there is an issue and is finally working on fixing it. I guess that means there is no issue somehow.
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Tou do understand that the reason others aren't sending SMS to those people isn't because they choose not to do it but because Apple chooses it for them and is doing it incorrectly in those cases. How do people overlook or ignore the simplicity of the problem and focus on something that's not part of it all?
If you would like to either stay ignorant on the details or decide to keep your head in the sand - that's your issue. Which to me, is more telling of you than it is of someone who filed a lawsuit
Apple admited it was a problem? Really? Funny how you never see an actual quote or statement on apples website of admiring anything with iMessage. Just because one blog writer says apple said this apple said that doesn't make it true.
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If you would like to either stay ignorant on the details or decide to keep your head in the sand - that's your issue. Which to me, is more telling of you than it is of someone who filed a lawsuit
What details am I being ignorant on? Please explain.
https://www.macrumors.com/2014/05/14/imessage-text-messages/ I'll take the world of an actual reputable source than some random online poster on a forum that is denying plenty of experiences that many people have documented in many places. Rather simple rational decision there for pretty much anyone.
I knew about the potential issue and used the apple guide to deregister my number, and it did not work. I called apple support and had them walk me thought the guide and it did not work.. They had to manually do something to their sever to rectify the problem.
5 months later I put my sim card back into my old iPhone to trouble shoot a signal problem in my new area. In the 30 seconds that my sim was in the old phone now registered to my son, it hijacked my number. I did not register for iMessage, the iPhone took it and messed up my number a second time. By the time I realized that My number was hijacked I no longer had access to the old phone or iMessage account. Apple was unable to help me and I end up changing my phone number to get rid of the problem. Since I needed a new number as I had moved, i was not really bother too much.
I wonder if I can take over an phone number of a co-worker by simply putting someone sim card in an iPhone while they are not looking.
1st I'm not saying people didn't have issues or troubles. I'm saying it's nothing apple did that caused these issues.
2nd your reference is actually a quote from an angry customer who said he spoke to an apple customer service rep. This would be classified as an unverified source. Since macrumors never actually spoke with apple officially apple still has never admitted an issue.
Again I challenge you to stop by an Apple Store and listen to the people you are defending. Are people not receiving text after switching to android? Yes if they don't properly deactivate a service that uses there phone number to send messages. Is there a fix out there? Yes! All I'm saying is this is a USER ERROR not an apple glitch. Could apple of come out with a deactivation tool sooner? Sure! But to say apple said "up yours" and "hijacked" people's text messages because you don't want to have an iPhone anymore is crazy.
And I challenge you to accept a much more simpler part of it all, that all of the workarounds still didn't work for quite a few people who wete still stuck with this issue. That there is in fact an issue somewhere on Apple's end in relation to this (not some conspiracy on their part or anything but basically either a bug of some sort or a design oversight on some level). Sure plenty of people might not have done something that Apple recommended, but then plenty of people have and still experienced issues. It is that simple.
Actually you can! It can also be done with an android, and windows phone, and any other smart phone. There is a reason cell phone carriers tell you not to use someone else's sim in your phone as it could cause issues.
Also to fix your issue after it was un registered from iMessage if you are still not receiving text messages you should 1 replace your SIM card, 2 call your carrier, speak with an engineer, have them reset your text messaging on there end.
People upgrade there phones and then can't send or receive picture messages. I bet your gonn say that's an apple problem too? You would be wrong. It is actually a carrier issue.
Do you know how iMessage works? Did you know iMessage gets registered on apples system and your carrier?
Again I'm not saying people didn't have issues. I'm saying sueing apple, blaming apple 100% and believe its a conspiracy to keep you with apple is like wearing a tin foil hat.
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Ok accept the simple part, did anyone call their carrier after de registering it from ALL of their devices? If you don't sign out of iMessage on all your devices it will not fully deregister. That's ipad,iPod, computer. Your carrier can also reset your account profile to remove the link from apple's iMessage system. People forget that iMessage only works with the help of the cellular companies. But your right I'm ignoring the simple stuff.
but how can you do that with out your phone to deactivate that.
When you move it is very easy to get everything moved. Their is a system set up for it. Hell most of them even offer web utilities and have for a long time to handle those cases.
iPhone you required your physical device to fix the problem and it was if at best.
So yes we are blaming Apple rightfully so. Apple did not offer any way to fix the problem with out having the physical device. Made worse by you needed to turn it off on ALL effected iOS devices. That be a problem if your phone was stolen, broken ect.
Wait, what does a carrier have to do with iMessage? It's something completely transparent to them--an iMessage goes directly from an Apple device to Apple's servers and gets delivered to another Apple device, all without any carrier involvement (it's exactly why it works just the same on just WiFi without any carrier association at all).
Unfortunately it seems like more misconceptions on top of more misconceptions. I guess it's no wonder people think there isn't an issue or that the issue is something else entirely.
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iMessage sends data to other iOS users, and texts to non-iOS users.
Without an easy way to tell Apple's servers that your number was no longer an iOS number, the iMessage app continued to try to send data instead of a text.
SMS does support read receipts. Used to be that apps would let you check a box if you wanted one.
See above. SMS messages were blocked (i.e. never sent) because Apple's servers mistakenly told the sender's device that the recipient was still an iOS user.
Lawyer: Will make money.
Everyone else: Will maybe get a 5-dollar iTunes GC or an Apple Store GC for the same amount. Which may or may not be worth anything to them if they're no longer using iPhones or Apple products.
This is a pointless lawsuit, unless you're a lawyer.
Everyone else: Will maybe get a 5-dollar iTunes GC or an Apple Store GC for the same amount. Which may or may not be worth anything to them if they're no longer using iPhones or Apple products.
This is a pointless lawsuit, unless you're a lawyer.
She is also suing because the existing text messages didn't come over. Every time I changed phones either I needed to move or lose existing text messages. That move was a backup and restore program.
This woman is an idiot.
This woman is an idiot.