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Apple Will Face Lawsuit Over Phone-Switching iMessage Issue

kcirtap00 said:
They are certainly wrong but that doesn't mean this is lawsuit worthy in the slightest.
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I'm sure there are people who returned android devices because of this issue.

Here is a hypothetical situation. My iPhone is lost or stolen and I haveto wait a few months until i'm eligible for a new Subsidized iphone. I decide to buy a cheap 100$ android to use for the next few months until I can get my new iPhone in a few months. After a week of missing text messages I think android sucks as they can't even text message properly. I decide to return the android and buy a new iPhone full price. If this or something similar has happened there might be actual damages at the very least I think there should be a DOJ anti trust investigation.
 
Renzatic said:
I've come to learn that a shockingly large number of people here tend to knee-jerk over the headline, rather than take the time to read the first post to get the full story.

The way I see it, I think they believe that if they rush in to call someone stupid and entitled before it rolls over to page 2, people will think they're smart and witty by association.
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To any rational person that makes even less sense. Why would anyone want to waste their time and efforts typing up something that makes no sense? Irrational at best.
 
Apple just feels like a rolling screwup circus under Cook. Apple could have avoided any number of these problems and lawsuits if it didn't have such contempt for its customers.

Apple and its employees, from Cook down, believe their own press, and think they're above doing the right thing by their customers. So sad.
 
kcirtap00 said:
They are certainly wrong but that doesn't mean this is lawsuit worthy in the slightest.
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Or it could be worth everything if it's actually forcing Apple to face and deal with the issue (as seems to be the case).
 
cfedu said:
I'm sure there are people who returned android devices because of this issue.

Here is a hypothetical situation. My iPhone is lost or stolen and I haveto wait a few months until i'm eligible for a new Subsidized iphone. I decide to buy a cheap 100$ android to use for the next few months until I can get my new iPhone in a few months. After a week of missing text messages I think android sucks as they can't even text message properly. I decide to return the android and buy a new iPhone full price. If this or something similar has happened there might be actual damages at the very least I think there should be a DOJ anti trust investigation.
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You're not thinking like an Apple fan. By their estimation, not only is this lawsuit frivolous, but Apple should be allowed to sue their customers for making Apple look stupid and anti-consumer.

Thankfully the truth still holds in court, if not in Appleland.
 
Dear Apple - If you wanna be in the Mobile Market fecking learn how 3GPP specs work

The issue really is that Apple has zero understanding of mobile technology when they launched iMessage, and rightly or wrongly, just how complex a 3GPP environment really is.

In essence they balls up completely in this area.

The fact that it has taken them this long to do anything about it, plus their beyond dumb / and dismissive response to the suit continues to indicate they know nothing about mobile communications.

Yes they can ignore IMS, but not interopt for 3GPP / LTE etc.

Get a clue please Apple
 
MikeSmoke said:
Okay. I apologize. My reaction was to frivolous lawsuits in general. Having read a little more this is different.
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It is something I think everyone can agree was overdue in being fixed. Is it worth tying up the courts over? I'm not yet convinced.

Should Apple issue some sort of apology and gift card credit or something? Wouldn't it be easier if Apple just owns up to its mistake and we fire all the lawyers? :D Tis a dream I have.
 
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All I can say is good. That happened to me before and several of my friends. Apple knew what they were doing. I hope they sue the hell out of Apple. And lol at the people defending Apple.
 
Someyoungguy said:
No, the biggest moron on Earth thinks this is about using iMessage on Android. In fact, the article states that basic text messaging, a service that she was paying for through her carrier, could not work on her non-Apple device due to Apples's error. This is open and shut unless they have an out in their TOS.
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WRONG. She couldn't receive **iMessages** sent by iPhone / iOS / MAC OS users - as android doesn't have an iMessage client. She could receive SMS JUST FINE.

Please people - at least understand the technology *before* you comment.
 
"In a Monday night decision, Koh said Moore deserved a chance to show Apple disrupted her wireless service contract and violated a California unfair competition law, by blocking messages meant for her"


Apple should count themselves VERY lucky this isn't a case in Europe as the EU would rip their you know what's off! It has a very dim view of giant corporations breaching competition law. And rightly so, I don't know the case in and out's but based on that one paragraph from Koh it doesn't look good for Apple.
 
nutjob said:
Apple just feels like a rolling screwup circus under Cook. Apple could have avoided any number of these problems and lawsuits if it didn't have such contempt for its customers.

Apple and its employees, from Cook down, believe their own press, and think they're above doing the right thing by their customers. So sad.
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So 'you're holding it wrong' type comments from the Steve Jobs era showed no contempt or arrogance?
 
brianvictor7 said:
It is something I think everyone can agree was overdue in being fixed. Is it worth tying up the courts over? I'm not yet convinced.

Should Apple issue some sort of apology and gift card credit or something? Wouldn't it be easier if Apple just owns up to its mistake and we fire all the lawyers? :D Tis a dream I have.
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But the law suit is the only reason it got fixed at all.
 
Frivolous or not, in fairness, this was a veiled attempt by Apple to deter people from changing to an Android phone. People have to acknowledge that this lawsuit wasn't dreampt up overnight, but was many months in the making. Apple suddenly releasing a de-registration tool on the eve of this ruling is not only an attempt to evade responsibility, but also an admission of guilt.
 
deeddawg said:
Are you claiming this as fact or opinion?

If fact, I'd be interested in seeing the citation.
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lets see tool comes out shortly before the judge OK allowing it to court which means Apple knew a long time afterwards. It looking pretty likely. Apple saw the writing on the wall.

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doelcm82 said:
You already posted that. I'm afraid you've exceeded the limit. Those are the rules, and there's nothing you can do about them.
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2 different post but still you failed to answer the question but instead go to the insult.

There are still 30+ months to try to explain away.
 
huh, just read the info on this, so I'm guessing this is only in America, as I have never heard of the issue here in the UK, Apple fixed it so that when you changed to a non iOS device, unless you KNEW to turn off iMessage your mobile number wouldn't receive any text messages from anyone?

Is that right?

If so then considering the tool they just released, I think they will find a tough time defending their position on this as it is flat out anti competitive and would imagine it breaches competition laws..

If I am reading it right.
 
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blucable said:
This should be quite obvious that if you switch to an android device you will not be able to use iMessage, you should have noticed that it does not work at all when you message your android buddies... unless you are the biggest moron on earth you need to be advised about this fact...
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That is not the point. When you originally send someone a text to their phone number, iMessage takes over and starts to send the messages to the registered email address. So when people text you, you do not get anything after moving to android device. They still have you as a blue friend - not a green one.
 
nutjob said:
Prefer it your pro-Apple propaganda. I notice you don;t actually have a counter argument, just personal abuse. I'd report you, but I'm just not that petty.
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Please, don't take it too seriously, it's not good for your health. Have fun! :rolleyes:
 
thekeyring said:
So 'you're holding it wrong' type comments from the Steve Jobs era showed no contempt or arrogance?
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Where did you get that from? Cook is Jobs' hand picked successor who worked under him for decades. Cook learned the same contemptuousness and disregard, but he hasn't got Job's narcissistic personality and he can't pull it off, damaging the Apple brand instead. That's why he's got to go.

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ksuyen said:
Please, don't take it too seriously, it's not good for your health. Have fun! :rolleyes:
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Again with the personal abuse. Do you have an argument at all? Anything? Anything that isn't a lame attempt at insulting me?
 
BoulderAdonis said:
WRONG. She couldn't receive **iMessages** sent by iPhone / iOS / MAC OS users - as android doesn't have an iMessage client. She could receive SMS JUST FINE.

Please people - at least understand the technology *before* you comment.
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You are 100% correct. But put yourself in her shoes. If you suddenly were unable to receive texts from your friends with iPhones (unless they deactivated iMessage), wouldn't it really suck? I wouldn't be able to receive well over half my texts. People act like this is some trivial matter.
 
TimelessOne said:
But the law suit is the only reason it got fixed at all.
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Agreed. Company Lawyer says, "Don't accept blame unless made to." Plantiff Lawyer says, "Don't stop suing until they accept blame and pay." It is a vicious cycle all because there are people who don't want to do the right thing and, to a lesser, extent because there are lawyers :D

I edited your exact point out of my previous post for brevity. I guess I should have left it in.
 
martygras9 said:
Needless to say, they're not out of the woods yet. My friend tried to deactivate iMessage over the phone 9 months ago and was told by an automation that it would cost $19. He requested an operator and the fee was waved. He's not the only one either.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5079636?start=315&tstart=0
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The system will always do that if you give them an OOW serial. The operators waive lots of those fees based on the issue. Like any iCloud issue or iTunes store issue gets waived.

And you just proved one of our points. Your friend had this fixed 9 MONTHS AGO. Proving this is not an issue they just now fixed as some claim
 
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