Apple Wins Injunction Barring U.S. Sales of Samsung Galaxy Nexus Phone

[Mr D]

this thread is

 

[Bezetos]

Microsoft did not exist when macintosh was created.. it was founded in the 70's to make interpreters for ibm
it became a software company after the mac was born. Gates created the mac OS while he was a partner of Macintosh Apple.. So in essence all interfaces mobile and PC's are based on the original Apple OS.

What a load of bullocks.

I mean, come on.

It's like Xerox never existed.

You're taking your fanboism to the next level.

 

[kdarling]

Yeah I was 12 when they first came out. I remember those cruddy models that were like a mini laptop running CE, with black and white screen and lack of touch. It even had that awful start button and a browser that could have been made by a brain dead monkey.

In 2001 I had an HP Jornada clamshell PocketPC running WinCE 2000, with a CDPD air card for remote cellular access. With its 640 horizontal pixels color screen and IE 4.0 compatible browser, it was perfect for surfing websites of the time without alterating their look or feel, nor having to zoom.

I won many an item off eBay with it by hitting auctions even while I was out for dinner. Yes, it annoyed my wife until AuctionSniper came along

Which multi-touch Phone ? Link please

As noted, multi-touch has nothing to do with it.

Please see my post from 2010 about the NeoNode phones.

Your other questions are answered easiest by the Dutch court order. See around page 41 onward.

In it, the judge also warns Apple that the patent will likely be invalidated for obviousness, if brought to trial in the Netherlands.

The patent that are criticized AFTER THE FACT for being obvious is simple whining.

Then companies like Apple whine a lot. Software patents are challenged all the time. It's often the first thing that Apple tries to do when someone else's patent is thrown at them.

Heck, the day before Judge Koh was granting the recent Nexus injunction, she was also denying Apple's attempts to invalidate two Samsung patents.

 

[thewap]

You are completely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation

"The court also pointed out that many of Apple's claims fail on an originality basis. Apple admittedly licensed many of its representations from Xerox, and copyright protection only extends to original expression. Apple returned to its "complete look and feel" argument, stating that while the individual components were not original, the complete GUI was. The court rejected these arguments because the parts were not original."

This is what Apple does. They steal an idea, put new paint on it, and then claim that they invented it. The above is proof of Apple's deceptive behavior.

First GUI in history Apple Lisa 1983

 

[noisycats]

I'm sorry, your comment is irrelevant.

Your opinion does not effect facts.

Windows mobile was a technical achievement at the time and your attitude does nothing to change that. So be as opinionated as you want. You can't change the facts.

The whole point was that nobody ripped off Apple when Apple clearly stole from everybody else to make the iPhone. If Microsoft wanted to they could rip them a new one in a patent war however they remain curiously silent. I call that class

Ha. I love folks who think so highly of themselves.

See, I can play this too...

YOUR comments are irrelevant and also do not effect facts.

I will be as opinionated as I want. As clearly, will you.

That layout was hideous, regardless of the technological 'progress' it represented.

Class? Please...more like MS is aware they have stink on their fingers as well.

 

[pragmatous]

What does that have to do with anything?

First GUI in history Apple Lisa 1983

 

[thewap]

What does that have to do with anything?

that all GUI are based on it...

 

[pragmatous]

Oh and by the way you're wrong again.

The honor for producing the first working GUI goes to Doug Englebart – at the time an employee of Stanford Research Institute. src-http://imrl.usu.edu/OSLO/technology_writing/004_003.htm

First GUI in history Apple Lisa 1983

 

[Twixt]

I'm glad you like it. Now would you answer the question ?

People reactions here are emotional in one way or another because we not all have same interest.
Apple employees or blindfolded fanboys applause. Samsung new converted are shocked.
There are some more categories including patriotic ppl, customers with conflicting interests, also some who do not get that monopoly or duopoly is not a good thing etc

I can understand Apple's approach as a professional, and I might appreciate for pro interest that Apple acts this way, meaning injunctions.

But as a customer I do not. When I buy any idevice I am fully aware that I am paying twice as much as I should because of nicely designed hardware helped by refined and effective marketing. And any incremental bit of competition will trigger incremental bit of innovation that will either bring new features or lower my next phone's price tag by lowering this apple premium. And apple tries hard to kill or delay this incremental bit.
Obviously my writing here reflects my customer point of view.

 

[n8mac]

You can go back for a long way in American law, and most often the original developers get screwed. Major Armstrong invented FM radio, and in fact, patented a system that was much better than the one that NBC's David Sarnoff got his engineers to develop. Guess which system he deployed. Armstrong filed suit, but he was small and the head of NBC was big. Armstrong eventually was near winning, but NBC's lawyers had delayed him so long that his chance was gone. He committed suicide.

The only difference with Apple is that this time, they have the lawyers and the money to spend.

Interesting, and yes the original developers often do get screwed. Take the Wright Brothers for example with the invention of powered flight and look what happened to Wilbur. From wiki...

"Attempting to circumvent the patent, Glenn Curtiss and other early aviators devised ailerons to emulate lateral control described in the patent and demonstrated by the Wrights in their public flights...
Curtiss refused to pay license fees to the Wrights and sold an aircraft equipped with ailerons to the Aeronautic Society of New York in 1909. The Wrights filed a lawsuit, beginning a years-long legal conflict...
From 1910 until his death from typhoid fever in 1912, Wilbur took the leading role in the patent struggle, traveling incessantly to consult with lawyers and testify in what he felt was a moral cause, particularly against Curtiss, who was creating a large company to manufacture aircraft. The Wrights' preoccupation with the legal issue stifled their work on new designs, and by 1911 Wright aircraft were considered inferior to those of European makers. Indeed, aviation development in the U.S. was suppressed to such an extent that when the U.S. entered World War I no acceptable American-designed aircraft were available, and U.S. forces were compelled to use French machines. Orville and Katharine Wright believed Curtiss was partly responsible for Wilbur's premature death, which occurred in the wake of his exhausting travels and the stress of the legal battle."

 

[Renzatic]

First GUI in history Apple Lisa 1983

First GUI in history: Xerox Alto. Developed in 1973.

or...

First Commercially available workstation with a GUI: Xerox Star. Released 1981.

BAM! Consider yourself educated!

 

[thewap]

Oh and by the way you're wrong again.

The honor for producing the first working GUI goes to Doug Englebart – at the time an employee of Stanford Research Institute. src-http://imrl.usu.edu/OSLO/technology_writing/004_003.htm

which was successfully applied to PC's in the market when?


Ahhh nice one.. in that case everyone owes it to Xerox

 

[ixodes]

While the technical considerations are interesting to some of us, those specific facts will have nothing to do with the outcome of this case. At least if the precedings go the way they usually do with similar cases.

My prediction is Apple will prevail by baffling the judge with a spin that appeals. Next is the simple fact this is a Northern California Court, that will rule against a foreign company no matter what. Apple is too popular, and with Jobs relatively recent death and image as such a superior human being, Samsung doesn't stand a chance.

 

[thewap]

While the technical considerations are interesting to some of us, those specific facts will have nothing to do with the outcome of this case. At least if the precedings go the way they usually do with similar cases.

My prediction is Apple will prevail by baffling the judge with a spin that appeals. Next is the simple fact this is a Northern California Court, that will rule against a foreign company no matter what. Apple is too popular, and with Jobs relatively recent death and image as such a superior human being, Samsung doesn't stand a chance.

well he was in marketing and development as was Gates in soft

 

[kdarling]

First GUI in history Apple Lisa 1983

Nope

In what's often dubbed the "Mother of all Demos", Doug Englebart showed off combined text and graphics, networking, hyperlinks, video conferencing, his new mouse invention and a ton of other brand new stuff back in 1968.

He and his staff later went to work at Xerox PARC, where they invented a stream of ever-better GUI systems.

Their Xerox Star became the first commercially available GUI and mouse computer in 1981:

 

[r.harris1]

1. Tell me how many times an Apple product had it's sales suspended in USA/Europe because of a petition from Android's manufacturer's.

2. Tell me how much you believe that those features in iOS aren't copied from Android.

3. Tell me how much you think some value, like 10 million dollars, would hurt Apple.

4. Now tell me how much you think that money wouldn't change a corrupt judge's life.

Dude. When I saw iOS 5 keynote, last year, i thought with myself: what the **** is that Notification Menu? I mean, really?! Apple keeps saying that they're the most innovative company in the world and does something like this?
Well, now Google just needs to sue Apple for that rip-off, I think. Guess what? That didn't happen, but I can assure you that Notification Menu idea didn't come from a brilliant Apple employee.

Dude. Come back when you can speak with authority about who has or hasn't licensed what, who's ripping off what idea, and who has paid off whom. Thinking "what the **** is that Notification Menu?" doesn't make it so, not even close. I can guarantee you that if Google thinks Apple is ripping them off, they'll sue - plain and simple. Maybe now, maybe later. So I wouldn't spend a lot of time thinking that Google is all love and light. Business is business. And Google, like Apple, is very big business.

 

[pragmatous]

So everyone should be suing everyone in software ideas. What about the checkbox? Should the inventor of that sue everyone?

Are you not getting this yet? The ideas have already existed for decades. The problem was there wasn't a need to ever implement it at the time.

well he was in marketing and development as was Gates in soft

 

[thewap]

So everyone should be suing everyone in software ideas. What about the checkbox? Should the inventor of that sue everyone?

Are you not getting this yet? The ideas have already existed for decades. The problem was there wasn't a need to ever implement it at the time.

In a perfect world yes... but thats not how it works for any of the manufacturers today..

 

[pragmatous]

Doug Engelbart

Should he be suing everyone for being the inventor of the GUI and stop all imports of every single device with a GUI? It would halt technology innovation to a stop. I don't think Doug wants to do that. Why does Apple?

Nope

In what's often dubbed the "Mother of all Demos", Doug Englebart showed off combined text and graphics, networking, hyperlinks, video conferencing, his new mouse invention and a ton of other brand new stuff back in 1968.

He and his staff later went to work at Xerox PARC, where they invented a stream of ever-better GUI systems.

Their Xerox Star became the first commercially available GUI and mouse computer in 1981:

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[Twixt]

While the technical considerations are interesting to some of us, those specific facts will have nothing to do with the outcome of this case. At least if the precedings go the way they usually do with similar cases.

My prediction is Apple will prevail by baffling the judge with a spin that appeals. Next is the simple fact this is a Northern California Court, that will rule against a foreign company no matter what. Apple is too popular, and with Jobs relatively recent death and image as such a superior human being, Samsung doesn't stand a chance.

There is a moment when this systematically nice ruling or favoring market leader / home team will start upsetting people. For apple not being a cool brand any more matters (or should matter?) in my opinion.
Though it has no impact on all sales from developing and emerging areas, it has/will have one on historical markets, especially now when innovation iterations are extremely low with flagship product iphone being "at stake" depending on number 5.

 

[pragmatous]

Wow [that was mean and removed it]. No one is manufacturing anything. It's called software development which refers to a series of code that tells what the computer to do to complete a task. Manufacturing refers to the building of a device with sheet metal. Obviously that's an over simplification but that is on purpose.

In a perfect world yes... but thats not how it works for any of the manufacturers today..

 

[s15119]

I know Apple owns the media

You know no such thing.

 

[thewap]

Nope

In what's often dubbed the "Mother of all Demos", Doug Englebart showed off combined text and graphics, networking, hyperlinks, video conferencing, his new mouse invention and a ton of other brand new stuff back in 1968.

He and his staff later went to work at Xerox PARC, where they invented a stream of ever-better GUI systems.

Their Xerox Star became the first commercially available GUI and mouse computer in 1981:

View attachment 345988

Don't think that was available to the public.. I do not remember the xerox on the market. In the wiki for Apple, they state the first GUI available to the public was the Lisa in 1983...

 

[Renzatic]

Ahhh nice one.. in that case everyone owes it to Xerox

Very much so, yes.

Another interesting tidbit of information for you. When Xerox refused to capitalize on the many actual innovations PARC came up in the late 70's, a goodly portion of the talent there pulled up stakes and found employment at both Apple and Microsoft.

Apple isn't the sole originator of the PC as we know it, and MS isn't the tagalong that came along years later and took credit for their work. Both companies were contemporaries, working on roughly the same thing at roughly the same time. Both companies benefited greatly from the innovations developed at PARC.

Don't think that was available to the public.. I do not remember the xerox on the market. In the wiki for Apple, they state the first GUI available to the public was the Lisa in 1983...

You probably wouldn't. The Star was a $75,000 machine, only sold to a select few. What the Lisa (and eventually the Mac) did was take Xerox's work, and market it to the average consumer.

 

[thewap]

Very much so, yes.

Another interesting tidbit of information for you. When Xerox refused to capitalize on the many actual innovations PARC came up in the late 70's, a goodly portion of the talent there pulled up stakes and found employment at both Apple and Microsoft.

Apple isn't the sole originator of the PC as we know it, and MS isn't the tagalong that came along years later and took credit for their work. Both companies were contemporaries, working on roughly the same thing at roughly the same time. Both companies benefited greatly from the innovations developed at PARC.

I agree. I think Apple was competing with IBM microsoft since the mid seventies..

Seeing that the mid seventies computers were the last thing on my mind...interesting to know.