Except he isn't claiming Microsoft created the GUI like you claimed Apple did, and Microsoft isn't suing people for stuff they didn't actually invent like Apple is... There's a difference, surly even the apple fanboys can see that (although they'd never acknowledge it)
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Except he isn't claiming Microsoft created the GUI like you claimed Apple did, and Microsoft isn't suing people for stuff they didn't actually invent like Apple is... There's a difference, surly even the apple fanboys can see that (although they'd never acknowledge it)
I keep reading about how stupid, silly, childish, and unnecessary Apple's persuit of these patent infringement cases are. Apparently anyone who thinks this doesn't understand the purpose of the patent system and why it is so great!
The patent system is in-place so that someone can be motivated to create new ideas and have them protected from theft. Without this protection what would be the purpose of innovating or creating anything new? Yes, someone could make money with their new ideas without a patent, that is, until someone copies it and starts stealing sales dollars. How would you feel if someone copied a great idea you worked hard at developing?
I believe that Apple and Samsung have every right to protect something they designed and earned a patent on.
The courts will sort this out. If Apple is in the wrong then they will pay. If Samsung is in the wrong they will pay.
The patent system is in-place so that someone can be motivated to create new ideas and have them protected from theft. Without this protection what would be the purpose of innovating or creating anything new? Yes, someone could make money with their new ideas without a patent, that is, until someone copies it and starts stealing sales dollars. How would you feel if someone copied a great idea you worked hard at developing?
I believe that Apple and Samsung have every right to protect something they designed and earned a patent on.
The courts will sort this out. If Apple is in the wrong then they will pay. If Samsung is in the wrong they will pay.
First I am not an Apple fanboy but an Apple fan man..second it is true that the first commercially available GUI comp for the PUBLIC was Lisa. It is also true as I was just educated, that the first commercially made GUI comp was the Xerox... now a comp the equivalent of $200K i do not remember seeing any adverts or availability in the market for the public in 1980's...
That is what I remember and what it seems wiki says about Lisa...and obviously says about Xerox being the first GUI.
So in essence I am saying yes Apple created the first commercially available to the PUBLIC GUI comp.
that I know of. Apparently the Xerox was commercially available before the Lisa at $75,000 but don't remember ever seeing it on the market.
Microsoft windows came out late 1984.
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State the blindingly obvious why don't you.
Frankly I don't give a **** about the patent system. If I want to buy something that looks a bit like something else then I'll buy. Consumers should decide not judges. Thankfully US courts don't apply in the UK so FU judge DingDongLetTheStupidMerrygoroundContinue. Nobody tells me what I can and can't buy.
All irrelevant.
First, You changed your argument to "available to the public" after you were proven wrong. That was NOT your argument. They stole the idea and simply did something different with it. Those are the facts no matter how you try and spin it.
Second, which is what I said earlier, this whole thing you're stuck on now about applying the same thing to Microsoft is moot because no one here painted Microsoft as a company that invented something they didn't as you did with apple. Period.
You can call yourself a fan "man" but you still have a boys mentality when it comes to this. You're trying way too hard to defend a company that quite frankly, doesn't give a ****. At least Apple is trying to make money by pretending to invent things they didn't. What do you get by pretending Apple invented things they didnt?
I think I already acknowledged the education thank you.. now how do you feel about microsoft's litigation related to motorola and Android?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/microsoft-motorola-android-patent-lawsuit
Jobs was right. Android IS a stolen product, though the software was stolen not from Apple but rather Oracle (Java). The design and aesthetics, packaging, etc were most definitely stolen from Apple. Even the biggest fAndroid would have a pretty hard time denying that...just Google up the sketch-ups and mockups of Android BEFORE iPhone was announced and the ones AFTER iPhone...
Acknowledged and in the same breath tried in vein to change the argument to something it wasn't. Still doesn't answer the question on what you get out of crediting apple with things they didn't actually do though. You don't have to answer that, I already know there is no rhyme or reason to the fan"man" mentality. You just do and say **** that doesn't really make any sense.
As far as MS litigation goes, I'm unfamiliar with the details. I'd be unfamiliar with all the Apple law suits too if it weren't for them making front page news at MR and attracting hundreds of replies within minutes from all the fan"men"
If you would have read my posts I stated it was my recollection and was educated by much more civil persons in this forum as to the history of Xerox. So relax, chill, you will get over me
Also then inform yourself, Microsoft and many others are in litigations against each other, no need to get emotional I am sure everything will be ok whether Apple created it or Google created it or Microsoft and Samsung.
What Wikipedia cleverly says is "(The Lisa) was the first personal computer to offer a graphical user interface in an inexpensive machine aimed at individual business users." Notice the adjectives to justify a firstness claim at something.
The Lisa was hardly inexpensive. $10,000 back then was several thousand dollars more than an average new car cost.
The Star was actually more like $16,000 apiece. A typical office setup with a few of them and a printer could run $75,000 though.
Neither the Lisa nor the Star were what normal folk would buy for their home.
Actually he didn't speak a word of truth. BTW, Apple's profits are public record, and I don't recall any money earned from lawsuits showing up as a portion of their main revenue stream. Billions from their popular products, but not lawsuits.
jW
your right about that. Even the Macintosh in '84 I think set me back over $4,000 which is a lot for the times..
If you would have read my posts I stated it was my recollection and was educated by much more civil persons in this forum as to the history of Xerox. So relax, chill, you will get over me
Also then inform yourself, Microsoft and many others are in litigations against each other, no need to get emotional I am sure everything will be ok whether Apple created it or Google created it or Microsoft and Samsung.
No need to inform myself about MS litigation. I'm not the one making false claims or pretending MS are angles
But thanks for proving my point about attempting to spin the debate into something it isn't.... Again
Just a sidenote:
I don't think Apple breaks out what they earn from lawsuits, nor what they have to pay because of them.
E.g. Did they publicize what they paid Nokia to back-license their patents? I don't recall they did, even though it was an estimated $750 million.
I haven't looked, btw: do they break out the cost of their lawyer fees? They must easily spend tens of millions each year. Didn't Cook recently comment on what a company drain all the lawsuits were?
I wouldn't worry too much about being surprised, since most of their revenue is from selling products, not litigation. Apple absolutely sues companies. And they probably sue some every year so your "literally" may be "literal", although not terribly interesting. Apple, Oracle, Google, HTC, Microsoft, Nokia, Samsung, and many others spend a great deal of time suing one another.
By the way, "patent trolls" are typically "non practicing entities" - i.e. they don't make any product. While the above companies might be litigation-happy, they all sell stuff related to the patents they are suing over.
i remember looking at android when it was just some open-source project and i was trying to get into linux... back then it looked like blackberry. was android's open source community ripping off RTM? no, that was just the dominant paradigm for how a smart phone should sensibly look, qwerty physical keyboard, small screen with a more traditional aspect ratio to accomodate the keyboard... android changed when the dominant paradigm changed. that is how i feel.
I'm like seriously thinking about how you type like a 12 year old. Dum dum!
Or is that vocab you've picked up from your daughter?
i typed it that way on purpose lol u dum dum
750 MIL? bejeezus, some of that money should be allocated to this forum for patent public Opinions.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20070970-37/apple-agrees-to-pay-nokia-patent-licensing-fees/
Apple is just being their arrogant self.
I have many dozens of patents and it all about money, ins't it always. Apple needs to spend it vast hoard of our money (Their profits) on providing lower cost machines and much improved support and lots longer warranties. I have 2 Apple Computers, 1 Ipad and 1 iphone, and 4 iPods and 2 Apple TV's . and never another Apple product in my house. Their phone support sucks as does their warranty service. All too expensive for what you get. So what do they do try and reduce the field of competitors with patent suits. All this stuff should be reduced to 3 years and stop the price controls that are IMO price fixing. None of this is the spirit of the original apple fan purchasers. I am burnt out with the narrow word parsed advertising come ons. No Face time of this or that, We don't like Flash, it is all too much so no more for me, I am buying the competitor from now on. Written ON my new PC.
I have many dozens of patents and it all about money, ins't it always. Apple needs to spend it vast hoard of our money (Their profits) on providing lower cost machines and much improved support and lots longer warranties. I have 2 Apple Computers, 1 Ipad and 1 iphone, and 4 iPods and 2 Apple TV's . and never another Apple product in my house. Their phone support sucks as does their warranty service. All too expensive for what you get. So what do they do try and reduce the field of competitors with patent suits. All this stuff should be reduced to 3 years and stop the price controls that are IMO price fixing. None of this is the spirit of the original apple fan purchasers. I am burnt out with the narrow word parsed advertising come ons. No Face time of this or that, We don't like Flash, it is all too much so no more for me, I am buying the competitor from now on. Written ON my new PC.
I have to respectfully disagree. Apple's warranty service is one of the best in the business, bar none. I've personally had several iPhone's replaced on the spot with nary a whimper from Mr. Genius. Apple knows its customers and values their loyalty. I have spent far more money on products with decidedly less customer service and warranty service than Apple.
You either had a bad run of luck or...because your experience doesn't jive with the vast, vast majority.
It's pretty absurd and pathetic that some people still want to call what's going on in the smartphone business competition. Can I take all of the work you did on your job last week and sign my name on it?