Hello sir, actual historical facts shall disagree with you. Unless the world started for you in the 80's.
You just keep spitting out false information. What's wrong with you?
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Hello sir, actual historical facts shall disagree with you. Unless the world started for you in the 80's.
You just keep spitting out false information. What's wrong with you?
I think that was cleared up, my recollection of the first available to the public GUI computer at the time (I was in the market for one in 1984) was the Lisa in 1983. I don't think many if anyone I knew knew of the Xerox apparently available for $75000...laughs.. and yes my computer life started in 1984 that is correct.
hell &%K in 1981 would be the equivalent of a couple hundred thousand today...
Ok so watch out because you first saidI think that was cleared up, my recollection of the first available to the public GUI computer at the time (I was in the market for one in 1984) was the Lisa in 1983. I don't think many if anyone I knew knew of the Xerox apparently available for $75000...laughs.. and yes my computer life started in 1984 that is correct.
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and that's simply a lie.
It's extremely important to know where the Mac GUI comes from. It wasn't an original idea, Apple just took it and marketed it to an avarage customer. That's what they usualy do.
Right I agree but to my point. Will it be worth it? It seems that all of these functions have solutions other than how they perform now. So it won't really change anything in the end. Apple can come out with a win and at the same time lose some public opinion which can translate into some lost sales.
I'm just wondering if this particular law suit is worth going after.
I'm sorry, but are people looking with their eyes? Or are some people just plain stupid? It's VERY CLEAR the patent issue isn't about hardware, but software.
And those saying Apple is scared of competition; the point of patents (as annoying as they are) is to force companies to actually find new ways to innovate. In other words invent new things that in the end would be beneficial to the consumer. Consumers win with new and better products.
Apple spent actual money investing heavily into the fluidity of the GUI, like the bouncy feel of scrolling, to keep the actual interaction with the phone natural ... for the benefit of the consumers. Think of this from an inventor's point of view (or first patent). Companies that are just lazy to invent either need to pay-up the licensing fees or suffer later.
From an ethical point of view, there has to be an actual product though, not like patent sitters like Lloydsys who have no products and make money by suing other companies who stumble upon their patents.
And those saying Apple is scared of competition; the point of patents (as annoying as they are) is to force companies to actually find new ways to innovate. In other words invent new things that in the end would be beneficial to the consumer. Consumers win with new and better products.
Apple spent actual money investing heavily into the fluidity of the GUI, like the bouncy feel of scrolling, to keep the actual interaction with the phone natural ... for the benefit of the consumers. Think of this from an inventor's point of view (or first patent). Companies that are just lazy to invent either need to pay-up the licensing fees or suffer later.
From an ethical point of view, there has to be an actual product though, not like patent sitters like Lloydsys who have no products and make money by suing other companies who stumble upon their patents.
I think that was cleared up, my recollection of the first available to the public GUI computer at the time (I was in the market for one in 1984) was the Lisa in 1983. I don't think many if anyone I knew knew of the Xerox apparently available for $75000...laughs.. and yes my computer life started in 1984 that is correct.
hell &%K in 1981 would be the equivalent of a couple hundred thousand today...
It was always pretty clear, you were just wrong and didn't know what you were talking about.
It is my recollection of the times and fyi i do not lie thank you. I think developed from it would be a better word for your description... and was the first to develop a marketable GUI PC to the masses..maybe a better description...
Using your logic then Gates and Microsoft just took it too and marketed their software to the average customer as well because thats what they do?...
A little strong don't you think?...
You gotta give em props, though. It was expensive as hell, but I don't think it was matched feature for feature by another computer until the late 80's, early 90's. We're talking about a machine developed in '77 or so, released in '81 with a 15" screen, ethernet, and upgradable to 1.5MB ram. It was the first truly modern computer.
Though I do wonder...if the surface ends upop doing very well...or the windows phone.
Apple can't sue?
Apple can't sue?
I hope this clarification on history helps kick in a lightbulb for you to realize what apple is doing is wrong.
I love Apple's devices, I just bought the new classic macbook pro, but they did not invent the software. They took original ideas and repainted it. If they sued the nexus because it looked exactly like the iPhone I'd understand.
I love Apple's devices, I just bought the new classic macbook pro, but they did not invent the software. They took original ideas and repainted it. If they sued the nexus because it looked exactly like the iPhone I'd understand.
I think that was cleared up, my recollection of the first available to the public GUI computer at the time (I was in the market for one in 1984) was the Lisa in 1983. I don't think many if anyone I knew knew of the Xerox apparently available for $75000...laughs.. and yes my computer life started in 1984 that is correct.
In this logic then microsoft is doing same. You can't apply your logic only to Apple while not applying it to Microsoft. Which is ridiculous to say the least.
They could, but I seriously doubt they would. We all like to think it's an Apple vs. Microsoft world, and they're constantly at each others throats.
In truth, you won't find two companies more closely knit together.
correct, and I do not deny the contributions made by both.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/microsoft-motorola-sms-patent-germany/
http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-fra...n-microsoft-v-barnes-noble-patent-litigation/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/microsoft-and-tivo-call-truce-on-patent-lawsuits/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatel-Lucent_v._Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/microsoft-urges-us-court-to-bar.html
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...-in-attempt-to-avoid-290-million-dollar-fine/
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It's kind of odd how back then we never really had to zoom, and websites seemed to work correctly. I kind of miss my old Pocket PCs. Sadly my WM Palm was kind of step back as its screen was smaller and lacked wifi vs the iPaq I sold to get the Palm. The keyboard on the other hand was much better than the on screen hassles my old iPaqs had. Yeah eBay worked pretty well on these device back then. I use to use my iPaq to bid on 12in PB in between classes at wifi hotspots on campus. Never did get to win one.In 2001 I had an HP Jornada clamshell PocketPC running WinCE 2000, with a CDPD air card for remote cellular access. With its 640 horizontal pixels color screen and IE 4.0 compatible browser, it was perfect for surfing websites of the time without alterating their look or feel, nor having to zoom.
I won many an item off eBay with it by hitting auctions even while I was out for dinner. Yes, it annoyed my wife until AuctionSniper came along
Huh? Every time we say something bad about Apple we also have to say bad things about Microsoft?
Why?
Or maybe I've just missed something, it's late over here...
This discussion of old computers is interesting. I used to use a PDP-11 from a dumb terminal and even used punch cards in connection as well later as mere display and printer. I used it to write short reports, and CODE. That code is still in use today. I started writing it in about 1978 on my Dad's university account because his survived the quarterly turnovers I was subject to as a student.
I transferred that code via Bell acoustic modem to a Xerox 820 (8" floppies), which ran CP/M and I used BASIC, Wordstar, and using BASIC wrote my own database program! That was around 1979. It had an ALTOS hard disc attached the size of a pizza box but 5x as thick. I also has a daisy wheel printer for physical output which I used for pre-press on vanity press rocket magazines.
I later upgraded to an IBM-PC/AT clone which was rockin fast and could hold a bunch more stuff on a thing called an "internal hard disc". That was around 1982.
My first GUI computer was a Mac+ which I got as a hand-me down from my dad when he got a SE-30. I used that Mac+ and the PC/AT for many years. I probably got it in 1986 or so.
Rocketman
I transferred that code via Bell acoustic modem to a Xerox 820 (8" floppies), which ran CP/M and I used BASIC, Wordstar, and using BASIC wrote my own database program! That was around 1979. It had an ALTOS hard disc attached the size of a pizza box but 5x as thick. I also has a daisy wheel printer for physical output which I used for pre-press on vanity press rocket magazines.
I later upgraded to an IBM-PC/AT clone which was rockin fast and could hold a bunch more stuff on a thing called an "internal hard disc". That was around 1982.
My first GUI computer was a Mac+ which I got as a hand-me down from my dad when he got a SE-30. I used that Mac+ and the PC/AT for many years. I probably got it in 1986 or so.
Rocketman
I haven't said one thing bad about microsoft..cant say same about attacks on Apple, just pointing out that whats good for the Goose is good for the Gander when one makes an argument as to how a company acts.
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You are years ahead of me in comps..
Let's hope that Samsung doesn't plan an injunction to the rumored apple television set on the same grounds.
These seem to support what menithings post:
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14799
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/13/sa...on-face-markets-cx_jc_1113autofacescan01.html
What do you have to support your claim that it is all fiction?
Let's hope that Samsung doesn't plan an injunction to the rumored apple television set on the same grounds.
laughs.. then LG might get in sue Samsung who will sue Apple and Microsoft will sue everyone including the government
This brings up my pet topic: companies don't invent things; people do.
Quite a few of the same people, many of whom floated from company to company, have heavily influenced the way we work with all computers today.
They're why all the arguments about what company invented UIs and notifications etc are just silly. We should be asking instead, who it was, not who they worked for at that moment.
Some of those people worked at Apple, then went to Palm to create the wonderfully intuitive WebOS, then came back to Apple or Google.
Then there's my favorite person: the unsung hero who showed Jobs multi-touch and changed history. Otherwise the iPhone would likely have had an iPod wheel interface and fanboys would be claiming it was the Holy Grail of smartphone UIs.
Still, Xerox sold 25,000 Stars, which netted it about $600 million... or 120 times what it made from the Apple stock they bought in exchange for letting Apple create the Lisa.
(One of the Great Internet Myths is that Apple paid Xerox. I tracked it down. What Apple did was offer Xerox the chance to buy pre-IPO stock. Xerox later paid $1.5 million for those 100,000 shares in August 1979. It split, and they sold 800,000 shares in Oct 1981 for $6,776,000, for a relatively small profit of ~$5.2 million. Xerox later claimed that they gave Apple a license to make the Lisa as a Smalltalk GUI prototype, but that the license covered nothing else.)
I'm sure its been mentioned already by page 29 here, but just in case - you do understand the patents are not as simple as the simple description/phrasing used in the article? Its not just an idea of how to have slide to unlock or using multiple databases - its how its done. Its the implementation of it. Patents are not necessarily just ideas but the implementation of that idea.
So all these people who complain about prior-art or what not, unless you've read the actual patent and not the patent brief (meant as a simple summary), and seen how the patents built on top of prior art or what not, you are just looking foolish.
the point was the claims thatApple's sues everyone to monopolize and copies and claims it as own...well as the links above show, Micrososft litigates as well so the Apple argument should apply to Microsoft...who also copied from Xerox? lol
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/24/m...atent-germany/
http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-fran...nt-litigation/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...tent-lawsuits/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatel...t_v._Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/03/m...rt-to-bar.html
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011...n-dollar-fine/
This was Data Detectors and it was invented in the 90s by Apple. Its not an iPhone patent but something that I remember when I worked at Apple was very unique and awesome. Data Detectors - I can't find much info that exists anymore, but here is some:
http://my.safaribooksonline.com/boo...ntrol-panels-and-extensions/aplscptian-chp-20
Well there are newer innovations than Xerox eh? now that we have established the history of GUI....