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I know the definition. There were tablets before the iPad came out. iPad was not innovative. There were touch screen phones before the iPhone came out, not innovative.

They're just good with advertising.

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I know the definition. There were tablets before the iPad came out. iPad was not innovative. There were touch screen phones before the iPhone came out, not innovative.

They're just good with advertising.


Sure, like iMac was the one and only all in one desktop computer back in 1998
Or something like click/touch wheel on early generation of iPod.
Or like Macbook Air when Sony hardly made it into the market.
Or even iPhone/iPod Touch started using capacitive touch screen while any other only use resistive along with fugly looking stylus.

I'm sure Samsung's geniuses got into those ideas first :eek:

Apple surely sucks at innovation, right? :rolleyes:
 
Yes, something like iMac was the one and only all in one desktop computer back in 1998
Something like click/touch wheel on earlier generation of iPod.
Or something like Macbook Air when Sony hardly made it.

I'm sure Samsung's geniuses got into those ideas first :eek:

Apple surely sucks at innovation, right? :rolleyes:

Commodore PET, All-in-one computer, released in 1977.

Apple didn't design the click wheel, Synaptics did.

Sony Vaio x505, came out in 2004.
 
Mean while Amazon Fire is selling like hotcakes. Does Samsung really matter anymore? And the Asus transformer prime will be the new flavor of the month. You can't stop them all.

I wonder how many of those crap cakes will stay or be used like iPads are. By my estimates - not much.
 
Time for Apple to be knocked off their high horse and brought back to earth with the rest of us. Enough with the elitist attitude. They have obviously forgotten where they came from. The do everything that they once bashed everyone else for.
 
The ban is unwarranted. Hopefully Apple will focus more on innovating and less on lawsuits.

Yes, you are right, the judge is Apple fanboi.

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Time for Apple to be knocked off their high horse and brought back to earth with the rest of us. Enough with the elitist attitude. They have obviously forgotten where they came from. The do everything that they once bashed everyone else for.

Right.
 
Commodore PET, All-in-one computer, released in 1977. ---> Yes, and so did Apple II, so?
Apple didn't design the click wheel, Synaptics did. ---> And nobody would use it if Apple don't want it on their early iPod.
Just like Corning's Gorilla Glass won't find any good application if only Steve didn't start the idea of using it on 1st gen iPhone
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Sony Vaio x505, came out in 2004. --> Did it sell well or as popular as Macbook Air?

And you thought Samsung innovate LCD, Plasma, washing machine, air conditioner just because Samsung sell them?
 
And you thought Samsung innovate LCD, Plasma, washing machine, air conditioner?

I never said they innovated everything they make.

They did innovate a AMOLED Flexible display recently.

The PET came out in January, the Apple II came out in June.

I'm just saying that Apple didn't design it, another company did.

Innovating something doesn't mean it will always sell well.
 
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Apple's shoe string R & D Budget

Apple gave the world the iPhone, iPad, and iPod on a shoe-string R&D budget, spending only $500 million in 2006 and $800 million in 2007. This year Apple spent $2.4 billion on R&D. In fact Apple's previous 10 year's R & D investment is only about 10 billion dollar combined.

Compared this to Samsung's R & D investment, in first 9 months of the year itself it has invested 6.5 billion dollars in R & D. Its track record has been the same all previous years. Apart from this Samsung has already invested 14 billion dollars in facilities upgrade and going to invest another 14 billion dollar in next 3 months. The amount easily exceeds 34 billion dollars ( much more than Apple inc's entire profit of 25 billion dollar last year). So what if Samsung decides to forego all these investments and just add these in their profit, their profit will be two times of that Apple's.

Above mentioned are facts, but this does not mean Apple is not an innovator. It might also mean that Apple invest its money very wisely.
 
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I can't comment on all the ins and outs of the law, but the case is pretty simple to me on a moral level. Apple makes money by taking huge risks. Launching the iPad was a tremendous risk. Tablets hadn't been doing much for ten years or so. They made millions of tablets, of a brand-new design, and took the risk that they would, like the Microsoft tablets, sell maybe 50,000 of them. Before that, the costs and risks of the iPhone. And the iPod. Sure, things that were similar to other products, but went so far beyond them that they were completely new things.

So Samsung and the others not only copy the iPad, in tiny details, copying many of the same icons, making sure that their tablet is almost identical to the iPad from a few feet away -- and that's okay? Copying, not taking risks, not putting together the end-to-end solutions, that's okay?

Sure, tablets didn't belong to Apple. But the way their tablet works, the interface, details of the icons -- Apple has shown people how to use their competitors. They can design much more quickly, because, heh, heh, the hard work is done. They don't have to write an OS, they've got one given to them. That looks an awful lot like the iPad.

Should Apple just keep on taking huge risks by bringing out new media for communication, and not complain when people copy? They did that after the Mac, when nasty ol' Steve wasn't around to use his hobnail boots on the copiers. And Microsoft ate their lunch, and by '91 had completely gone beyond Apple.

This gives all the motivation to the copiers, not to the innovators. The copiers make money even though they're lazy, and riding on the hard work of Cupertino. I don't think that's a good idea either. If Samsung goes for something new, works at it for three or four years, and out-innovates Apple, I'd say they should have a little while to make money from their invention, and not just get imitated to death.

Yap, you don't know the ins and out of the law and also don't know the ins and outs of the case.

In Australia the case is about touch screen manufacturing teach and an heuristic behaviour of a gesture
 
I'think that some people are not really Apple fans but people fanatics of other companies trying to make Apple owners look silly

Judging by what I read here most days, many Apple owners don't need any help to look silly. They do a great job on their own.
 
I never said they innovated everything they make.

They did innovate a AMOLED Flexible display recently.

The PET came out in January, the Apple II came out in June.

I'm just saying that Apple didn't design it, another company did.

Innovating something doesn't mean it will always sell well.

Once again:

innovate |ˈinəˌvāt| verb
make changes in something established, esp. by introducing new methods, ideas, or products:
So your bold quoted statement is totally reversed. Apple designed them, another company make it happens. Apple make change in something already established (touch sensor, WiFi, hard glass, IPS panel)

It's Apple who came up with the idea of Click Wheel on their first iPod and they come up with Synaptic which made it possible.

Apple also had the idea of strong and scratch resistant glass on iPhone, and they come up with Corning's prototype which works fine and finally imitated by your beloved Samsung and of course many other brands. Corning is the inventor, but Apple is the innovator.

In that case, Apple innovates just fine.

Innovate a product doesn't mean you have to invent anything on it. If I designed a bathtub with WiFi connectivity, touch screen control display, and self-regulating water temperature, and somehow I did it and people love it, then I INNOVATE and redefine new standard about bathtub.

That doesn't mean I have to invent WiFi, touch screen and temperature sensor, I can have someone else make it happens for me, but it's me who come up with that crazy super smart bathtub idea and it's also me who arrange how it supposed to be assembled or manufactured.
That's me being innovative :cool:
 
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The ban is unwarranted. Hopefully Apple will focus more on innovating and less on lawsuits.

Yeah Apple should really invest more money innovating, and not defending itself so other companies wouldn't have to innovate and just copy.

Dumb Apple that spent resources researching new and innovative way to interact with devices, when people still believed the company was irrelevant and going under, and expects the full return of its investment.

Apple should really just license its patents to whomever and retire from making devices, not like iPhone and iPad represented 80% of their income.
 
The judge seems a little clueless.

"A stay for one week will cost Samsung, in effect, one week’s trade,”

It would take an expert to properly evaluate but the weeks running up to Christmas are clearly much more valuable than normal. The fud costs of the ban alone must be massive.
 
Samsung is doing a BRILLIANT job mocking them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h5JSojJN3Y

Its true though. No other company in the world has these kind of obsessed lemmings over a BRAND. Mindless devotion to a BRAND! Speaking of lemmings, anyone remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP1Tjgt1Ao

Ironic, isn't it?

Excellent!! There are a lot of Apple lemmings. Funny how the tide has turned, isn't it? Apple is now the establishment, the very thing they were once against. As Machiavelli said, "All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
 
This whole thing is slowly becoming a joke. Can a judge in Australia make up his/her damn mind already?
 
Apple also had the idea of strong and scratch resistant glass on iPhone, and they come up with Corning's prototype which works fine and finally imitated by your beloved Samsung and of course many other brands. Corning is the inventor, but Apple is the innovator.

By your logic apple will be imitating samsung and motorola since they used 4G LTE first lol. (both companies hold patents in LTE technology that were developed in house, not bought like apple)

/facepalm
 
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