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Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
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I wonder how heavy the mouse will be.
Probably as heavy as the mx700 since the batteries
itself are pretty heavy.
Guess I wouldn't be able to bring it aroudn anyways.
Probably as heavy as the mx700 since the batteries
itself are pretty heavy.
Guess I wouldn't be able to bring it aroudn anyways.
I can't understand why commercially Apple won't produce a multi-button mouse as well as the single button item.
Clearly a percentage of users want one because they go out and buy them anyway, it's just the money goes elsewhere.
Given that iTunes and the iPod are going to be Wintel compatible why not also produce a really top quality, multi button, scrolling, must-have device that's also compatable with Windows. It could generate more switchers and converts.
Clearly a percentage of users want one because they go out and buy them anyway, it's just the money goes elsewhere.
Given that iTunes and the iPod are going to be Wintel compatible why not also produce a really top quality, multi button, scrolling, must-have device that's also compatable with Windows. It could generate more switchers and converts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop complaining and do something about it
talk to my grandmother, an internet junky, who has been using windoze since 3.1. or my grandfather for that matter.
2 or 3 laptops, i believe 4 desktops, windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98se, and now xp.
and they BOTH still get confused by two buttons. people just really don't get it - hey, if i can figure it out in two minutes, why can't every one else?
*cough*
good golly.
can't we all, just get along?
i'm pretty freakin sure that no-one's opinions on mice are going to change, because everyone is just gearing up for a war here...
matt
Originally posted by bretm
Just put a 2 button mouse in the box an let your parents be confused for 2 or 3 minutes. They'll be ok. Really.
talk to my grandmother, an internet junky, who has been using windoze since 3.1. or my grandfather for that matter.
2 or 3 laptops, i believe 4 desktops, windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98se, and now xp.
and they BOTH still get confused by two buttons. people just really don't get it - hey, if i can figure it out in two minutes, why can't every one else?
*cough*
good golly.
can't we all, just get along?
i'm pretty freakin sure that no-one's opinions on mice are going to change, because everyone is just gearing up for a war here...
matt
Re: From the 100% users out there...
To me the question would be to ask them if they would find it inconvenient to have a 2 buttons with scroll wheel? Are they against it or do they just not care about it.
Problem solved, get a two buttons mouse and just use the left button if you don't care about the other stuff. At least, it would give the choice to do whatever you want.
Today there's no choice.
To me the question would be to ask them if they would find it inconvenient to have a 2 buttons with scroll wheel? Are they against it or do they just not care about it.
Problem solved, get a two buttons mouse and just use the left button if you don't care about the other stuff. At least, it would give the choice to do whatever you want.
Today there's no choice.
Hear, hear!
And again.
Call me a lunatic, but I like the single-button mouse BETTER! Mind you, I don't have a lot of experience with mice.
I just like the way my hand sits on my Apple mouse (and how I push the whole thing down) better than the arched position of my PC mouse. I'm being totally objective about this. In fact, after reading the 100th rant about the new peripherals, I grabbed my Apple mouse and my PC mouse, then compared my comfort.Note #1: My PC mouse is dirt cheap, not a fancy Logitech one.
Note #2: I don't do any design work or any serious computing.
Keep those points in mind before you open fire.
Squire
Mouse for tots.
I'm going to start a web site where you can take that WORTHLESS piece of Monkey SH 1 button mouse apple forces you to pay for when you buy a PROfessional machine and send it in and we will donate it to charity.
Oh wait a minute, it isn't worth anything
cause it is CRAP!!!!
I'm going to start a web site where you can take that WORTHLESS piece of Monkey SH 1 button mouse apple forces you to pay for when you buy a PROfessional machine and send it in and we will donate it to charity.
Oh wait a minute, it isn't worth anything
cause it is CRAP!!!!
BOOO HOOO HOOOOO!!!
Hey guys, I'm gonna go cry about this for a while.
Okay, so you've gotta spend 30 extra bucks to get the mouse you REALLY want, right? When was the last time you bitched and ranted online because, say, you wanted to put your own CD changer in your new Honda, but the cheapest option you could get bundled with the car was the FM radio. WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR AN FM RADIO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT, WHEN I REALLY WANT A CD CHANGER?!?!
Honestly, would anyone go online and waste their time with this? No, because most of us have sense enough to know that you don't always get what you want, and if you're graceful, you can handle it, do something about it, and move on. If you're going to spend $3,000+ on a new mac w/ monitor, then what's another 30 bucks to you?
Are you going to complain that Apple bundles iTunes, but you like Audion better, therefore you shouldn't have to pay for those hard man-hours of development? I bet there are a few here who think that's a good argument!
Here's an idea, for the cry babies out there, Apple should make an Apple Store JUST FOR YOU! When you purchase a product, you get to allocate your money ONLY to the departments, product R+D or individuals you think should be getting it. http://store.apple.com/crybabies
You are a CONSUMER, not the friggin' Mayor of Appleville. GET USED TO IT!
Hey guys, I'm gonna go cry about this for a while.
Okay, so you've gotta spend 30 extra bucks to get the mouse you REALLY want, right? When was the last time you bitched and ranted online because, say, you wanted to put your own CD changer in your new Honda, but the cheapest option you could get bundled with the car was the FM radio. WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR AN FM RADIO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT, WHEN I REALLY WANT A CD CHANGER?!?!
Honestly, would anyone go online and waste their time with this? No, because most of us have sense enough to know that you don't always get what you want, and if you're graceful, you can handle it, do something about it, and move on. If you're going to spend $3,000+ on a new mac w/ monitor, then what's another 30 bucks to you?
Are you going to complain that Apple bundles iTunes, but you like Audion better, therefore you shouldn't have to pay for those hard man-hours of development? I bet there are a few here who think that's a good argument!
Here's an idea, for the cry babies out there, Apple should make an Apple Store JUST FOR YOU! When you purchase a product, you get to allocate your money ONLY to the departments, product R+D or individuals you think should be getting it. http://store.apple.com/crybabies
You are a CONSUMER, not the friggin' Mayor of Appleville. GET USED TO IT!
I think Apple should put a dual button mouse in their boxes THEN hear your single button mouse lovers bitch and moan just so the (clearly by the negatives on this post) majority of us wanting two buttons can tell you to suck it up when you have to go buy a single button third party mouse.
BTW, you won't find hardly any single button third button mice because NOBODY USES THEM! Save for some fruitcakes in this forum.
BTW, you won't find hardly any single button third button mice because NOBODY USES THEM! Save for some fruitcakes in this forum.
Right, there are no third party one-button mice.
Which means you have the choice to buy one.
Thank you, Apple, for giving us choices.
BTW, I only use a single button mouse with my Macs. I must be a fruitcake. You've been reported.
Namecalling is namecalling...
I can't understand how people get so frothing mad about Apple not killing the one-button mouse yet. It's just not going to happen. And since you can buy a third-party mouse with as many buttons as your heart desires, why bother crucifying Apple for not making one?
Anyone remember that Apple used to sell their keyboards separately? Their last good KB was the Extended KB II. I think they're missing a huge opportunity here by not offering the KB separately, I can see having to bundle a mouse.
Bundle a one button mouse and offer 2 button scrool wheel (wired and BT) as options.
Offer wired or BT KBs as options.
No need to pay for what you don't want.
Your comment "clearly by the negatives on this post" is irrelevant. Generally, people who are pissed off complain and those who are content just mind their own business. In other words, people who don't give a damn about the mouse would not have voted.
Squire
Re: From the 100% users out there...
Sorry, must flame you.
You're worrying over a few measly 10 dollar bills for a mouse? If it really was that good, you'd fork over the extra money.
I'm what is considered a prosumer, I guess. Let's look at the Finder (forget applications), where most of us have as the destination of our d/l's. After mounting a disk image, my 2 button mouse just right clicks the image to discard into the trash. Your one button mouse has to click the image to highlight and travel all the way up to the menus to trash it.
After installing the disk image, I simply right click to eject it. Your one button mouse has to click the image to highlight and travel all the way up to the menus to eject it.
How is that more efficient or better for RSI which more and more suffer from?
As for scrolling, when I come home and read this forum (or any web site/page for that matter), I usually have my TV on, feet up on the desk and my wireless (Microsoft, OK flame me, IntelliMouse) mouse on my stomach so I can scroll through the threads without using page down, the space bar or down arrow. Sorry, but how anyone can't see how a scroll bar (forget the 2 button arguement) is a useful additon is beyond me.
Whenever I show somone at work (damn MS-Intel installed base) how to properly use their 2 button mouse, they are eternally grateful. Without a doubt, a productivity booster.
OK, you're off your soapbox and I'm done flaming.
Sorry, must flame you.
You're worrying over a few measly 10 dollar bills for a mouse? If it really was that good, you'd fork over the extra money.
I'm what is considered a prosumer, I guess. Let's look at the Finder (forget applications), where most of us have as the destination of our d/l's. After mounting a disk image, my 2 button mouse just right clicks the image to discard into the trash. Your one button mouse has to click the image to highlight and travel all the way up to the menus to trash it.
After installing the disk image, I simply right click to eject it. Your one button mouse has to click the image to highlight and travel all the way up to the menus to eject it.
How is that more efficient or better for RSI which more and more suffer from?
As for scrolling, when I come home and read this forum (or any web site/page for that matter), I usually have my TV on, feet up on the desk and my wireless (Microsoft, OK flame me, IntelliMouse) mouse on my stomach so I can scroll through the threads without using page down, the space bar or down arrow. Sorry, but how anyone can't see how a scroll bar (forget the 2 button arguement) is a useful additon is beyond me.
Whenever I show somone at work (damn MS-Intel installed base) how to properly use their 2 button mouse, they are eternally grateful. Without a doubt, a productivity booster.
OK, you're off your soapbox and I'm done flaming.
I do. Any company can make harebrained decisions. And Jobs can be stubborn and dictatorial, and is famous for rejecting stuff like focus groups and received wisdom and making decisions by intuition. It's an important part of his genius of course and it makes Apple the great company it is. But it also means that we'll suffer from the bad decisions, and for a long time. I'd wager that Steve can be unreceptive to user feedback if he's sure he's right.
I mean, to take a minor example, what was the deal with the original, perfectly-circular iMac mouse? You couldn't tell by touch if you were grasping it right until you saw the cursor veer off in the wrong direction when you moved the mouse. Though mercifully that was fixed of course.
Nobody is beyond criticism. Big thinkers can make big mistakes.
I believe that the round mouse was an honest attempt to accommodate more users' preferences for holding the mouse different ways. I.e. whole hand, finger, multiple fingers, etc. Granted, it didnt' work out as expected, so they corrected it.
Interestingly enough, they haven't added a second mouse button, ever. Many mice, including some NeXT mice, had two buttons, IIRC. I don't think it's an issue as shallow as you make it seem.
However, I do agree that smart people make mistakes. I just don't think this is one of those mistakes. I think it's a highly deliberate, well-planned move.
Just a final thought
For Apple's sake I hope it is; I know it won't take hardly any R&D since other comapnies have laid out most of the hard groundwork for them.
For Apple's sake I hope it is; I know it won't take hardly any R&D since other comapnies have laid out most of the hard groundwork for them.