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He and Bernie Sanders have a lot more in common than either would care to admit.

What Trump has proposed is changing the provision in the tax code that enables multinational companies to avoid taxation by leaving profits overseas. That is actually further to the left than Hillary Clinton's position. Granted, Trump would also reduce the corporate tax rate in return, but no other GOP candidate has proposed anything like that.

What gets lost in all the "sound and fury" is that Trump's actual politics over the years have generally been centrist. He's played up the positions that appeal to the white working class voter.

Now, see. This is how you debate, people.

If one of you actually took the time to explain Trump's assumed policy on foreign trade to me, and how he intends to disincentivize our large corps from sending our manufacturing jobs overseas, I might've actually agreed. The above quote is a realistic explanation coming from someone who has at least some working knowledge of how our government functions. It makes SO much more sense than the usual "he's gonna make 'em, cuz he's Trump, and he's a TUFF ALPHA MALE AAAAWOOOOO" crap some of you spew out.

I know this is something Trump would have a better chance of committing to, because Hillary, being a part of the quote unquote establishment, will likely continue to incentivize them via tax breaks, maintaining our middle class withering status quo. As I've always said, I don't expect Hillary to change or improve much of anything, but she probably won't break anything, either. It's me settling, and is hardly a glowing endorsement.

Now if only this were the Trump we saw on stage, rather than the loudmouth demagogue we usually get, I might actually want to vote for the guy.
 
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Hi. I'm a dude from Italy.

We essentially invented and patented the Trump formula - a successful, right-wing enterpreneur who runs for presidency without having ever held any office before nor political experience, funding his campaign as much as possible out of his own pocket and polarizing media attention with off-color remarks and behaviour.

We called it Berlusconi, but it's the same product, just rebranded.

I'm gonna tell you what's next:

1. Trump is going to win. No doubt about that.
2. His opponents will call him a joke until the day he actually wins - but they will be secretly crapping their pants.
3. In 2018 you will be able to buy Pizza Trump in Finland.
4. You'll eventually join his supporters and you are gonna vote for him in 2021.

Utterly delusional. I can promise you one thing...I will never ever vote for Trump. Ever. Is that clear?

#nevertrump

I don't vote for people who mock the disabled and who run fraudulent universities trying to scam people out of money.

#nevertrump
 
Utterly delusional. I can promise you one thing...I will never ever vote for Trump. Ever. Is that clear?

#nevertrump

I don't vote for people who mock the disabled and who run fraudulent universities trying to scam people out of money.

#nevertrump

Wow you're super emotional

We're building that wall! It's happening!!
 
Utterly delusional. I can promise you one thing...I will never ever vote for Trump. Ever. Is that clear?

#nevertrump

I don't vote for people who mock the disabled and who run fraudulent universities trying to scam people out of money.

#nevertrump

Trump aside, Steve Jobs built a multi-billion dollar corporation by scamming people out of money. Since you think best using hashtags, I'll explain it to you this way:

#realitydistortionfield

#appletax

Not to mention the myriad of despicable ways Hilary made her money.
 
Utterly delusional. I can promise you one thing...I will never ever vote for Trump. Ever. Is that clear?

#nevertrump

I don't vote for people who mock the disabled and who run fraudulent universities trying to scam people out of money.

#nevertrump
So how about Bill Clinton's involvement with Laureate Education? He got paid $16.5 million for an "honorary" position with a for-profit university.
 
Utterly delusional. I can promise you one thing...I will never ever vote for Trump. Ever. Is that clear?

Maybe not you personally, but I've seen quite a few adamant opposers of Berlusconi in 1994 reluctantly vote for him in 2001 and then grow to love him - call it Stockholm Syndrome if you want :)

Or rather, the fact that Trump and Berlusconi's personas play on all of those politically incorrect (and often plain wrong) things everybody now and then thinks, but is too afraid to say aloud.

It's pretty intoxicating stuff.

I don't vote for people who mock the disabled and who run fraudulent universities trying to scam people out of money.

You, sir, are apparently not representative of any electorate pretty much anywhere :)


A career politician is a good thing???

Trump has a track record of success and good decision making.

And this, exactly this, is the secret Berlusconi sauce.

Berlusconi came to prominence after the Mani Pulite scandal, at a time when italians had grown distrustful of the entire political class overnight.

And of course, his proven track record in running an empire was a major selling point.
 
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Hi. I'm a dude from Italy.

We essentially invented and patented the Trump formula - a successful, right-wing enterpreneur who runs for presidency without having ever held any office before nor political experience, funding his campaign as much as possible out of his own pocket and polarizing media attention with off-color remarks and behaviour.

We called it Berlusconi, but it's the same product, just rebranded.

I'm gonna tell you what's next:

1. Trump is going to win. No doubt about that.
2. His opponents will call him a joke until the day he actually wins - but they will be secretly crapping their pants.
3. In 2018 you will be able to buy Pizza Trump in Finland.
4. You'll eventually join his supporters and you are gonna vote for him in 2021.

This is pretty much it.

Anyone who think the "polls" mean anything in a year of unquantifiable paradigm shifts is severely mistaken and clueless to what is actually happening.

When people say Trump is a genius, its not hyperbole. The Art of the Deal wasn't a marketing gimmick, its a master-thesis for his effectiveness.

He is in a whole other league of alpha influence than Hilary and its not even close.

This is the type of stuff the common folk and the masses respond to:

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Sure, and you're going to make the Mexicans pay for it. :rolleyes:

Thats right.
 
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Wow you're super emotional

We're building that wall! It's happening!!
LOL...just keep swimming, just keep swimming.

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Apple won't support the GOP because they don't like Trump. Sounds like Bernie was right - Too much corporate involvement in the American political process.
 
He is in a whole other league of alpha influence than Hilary and its not even close.

This is the type of stuff the common folk and the masses respond to:

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Thats right.

So what you're saying is you support Trump because he's a master at manipulation, which is why he'll win with the plebes. You're speaking as if you're coming from a position that allows you appreciate his underhanded tactics, as if you're addressing an equal, admiring the quality of his game.

...but the fawning quality of your previous posts come across as you having been suckered in by it too.
 
Even the disabled thing is more examples of bogus criticisms. Trump had no idea what that reporter looked like.




"Mr Trump flailed his arms while referring to an article about the 9/11 attacks by Serge Kovaleski, who has a congenital joint condition.

see this is what we are talking about trump knew that reporter and made fun of him directly.
 
Apparently Apple's commitment to diversity, inclusion, and respect for people ends when they don't like your politics... Good to know.... smh...

It ends when a political party's policies go AGAINST a company's commitment to diversity, inclusion and respect for all people. Apple doesn't have to support racism, misogyny and bigotry to be considered a supporter of diversity. There IS a limit and Apple has drawn that line for themselves, just like many other companies dumping the GOP like a lava hot rock.
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Preach, brother! If it were up to me, I'd move to a country that doesn't allow ANY immigrants in!

LOL. I assume that is meant to be an ironic joke!!
 
We owe them money. Now we build the wall. Bill them for their part of it.

Now we owe them less money?

I dunno lol.

But it's happening...
whats happening? you keep saying a wall is happening where is this wall and who is building it? this sure sounds like what trump said about the judge he is prejudice because we are building a wall. trump is not building any wall but one that divides america.
 
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Not convinced the Democratic campaign is all that squeaky clean either. I think most people will agree political campaigns in the US have become increasingly vicious over the years to the point of the electorate having difficulty respecting certain candidates. I always find it refreshing to see a candidate taking the 'high road' in a campaign, but at the moment I don't see anyone doing that.

It's easy to forget how fortunate we are to live in a society where we can all freely express our thoughts, and debate our differences of opinion publicly without fear of retribution --isn't democracy great-- but I think calling someone "human excrement", which is the post I was replying to, is over the line.

Making statements like that has us stooping to the same level.

I concede that point, sir!
To whit- I find him vile & obnoxious... the basest form of human- a sleazy conniving sneaky untrustworthy & downright terrible person.
The thought of this spoiled, fit-throwing, arrogant "child stuck in a man's body" reaching a position of such immense power as the presidency has me beyond worried... it literally TERRIFIES me.
What a disgusting man.
But again, as you say, "man"... not "piece of excrement"- & I certainly can do you the favor of descriptors without stooping to playground insults.
 
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Since the death of Steve Jobs Apple has become decidedly more political. As a conservative it was never a problem for me knowing Jobs was a lib because the company was never overtly political . The new leadership is almost constantly reminding me now that they hate me, they want nothing to do with me or my money. They would rather not have the business of half the population because their politics aren't the right kind of politics.

Do I keep spending money with a company that thinks so little of me?
Do you?
 
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A career politician is a good thing???

Trump has a track record of success and good decision making.

In what world is this true because it's not on Earth. Slapping your name on every cheap product you can and claiming you are the bestest of the best is not a record of business success. The only skill Trump has is fooling people into thinking he is better than he really is. He is a bullish*t virtuoso.
 
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Wow you're super emotional

We're building that wall! It's happening!!
Big frickin waste of money.
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We owe them money. Now we build the wall. Bill them for their part of it.

Now we owe them less money?

I dunno lol.

But it's happening...
We owe the Mexican government money? You might be thinking of private debt, which you can't just erase like that. Well, even taking off the money owed to the government would probably hurt the USA's credit score.

This is what Trump had in mind: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
I don't think it's possible to implement it effectively.
 
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