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That part I don't agree with. I am a Muslim myself. I however do not support the relocation of any Syrian refugees into the United States without proper vetting, which the state department have said they can't do. I would like to see every veteran taken care of before taking care of refugees. I have no issues with his wall, it's common sense to secure the border.

The state department did NOT say they can't vet refugees. That is a distortion of what the man said. Refugees face stringent vetting that usually takes over a year.

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So what you're saying is you support Trump because he's a master at manipulation, which is why he'll win with the plebes. You're speaking as if you're coming from a position that allows you appreciate his underhanded tactics, as if you're addressing an equal, admiring the quality of his game.

...but the fawning quality of your previous posts come across as you having been suckered in by it too.

Yes I am also a Fortune 500 caliber world class salesman so I can appreciate his techniques.

But its really the fault of the masses, the fact that we have more access to the internet and information than ever, yet we aren't getting much more intelligent as a whole, many people are still left behind, overwhelmed by information overload.

So yeah, its sad, but its true that THATS WHAT WORKS and we cant let the opposition do it, and us not do it, at least I know he loves America and is manipulating the masses to help them for their own good.

see this is what we are talking about trump knew that reporter and made fun of him directly.

Again, to follow that up, he said that he didn't remember what that guy looked like. He has met thousands of reporters in life and didn't know he was that one. Although to that guy, meeting Trump was a big deal. Doesn't mean he pictured him at the time.

So either

1) He didn't know

2) He got a little too flamboyant with body language about it on camera and tried to cover it up after.

So the thing is, number 2 isn't that bad either. Why? Because Trump is an equal opportunity offender when he is on that podium. Just because someone is sensitive, or handicapped, or a woman, or a minority, or anything doesnt mean he will treat them different.

Equality in other words. This guy lied and was being a weasel. Just because he is handicapped doesnt mean he cant get rekt?

That would essential be akin to treating him "different" if he is "protected." and that creeps people out. More than anything they want to be treated like anyone else, not "special"

But I honestly think he didn't know and it was just a coincidence that he was being theatrical. It was a very vague act. Probably looked more dramatic on camera than it felt doing it. And even if he did know the guy, he probably didn't purposefully try to make a "handicap" gesture and more of a "covering up lies" gesture but didn't realize how close he was to the actual gesture he might make or something like that.

Again, non story. I still need him to fix America he has a job to do.

It ends when a political party's policies go AGAINST a company's commitment to diversity, inclusion and respect for all people. Apple doesn't have to support racism, misogyny and bigotry to be considered a supporter of diversity. There IS a limit and Apple has drawn that line for themselves, just like many other companies dumping the GOP like a lava hot rock.
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LOL. I assume that is meant to be an ironic joke!!

You say bigotry but I don't think you understand what that word means.

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
  1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.




    Thats literally what Apple is now guilty of!!
 
Speak ONLY in your name, please. (Another European here.)
Yeah, I know that Europe has an odd 25% of people who think going back to middle ages is the way, but the trend is obviously not as popular as over the pond.
 
All he said was that judges have biases. If a white judge or jury acquits a police officer of brutality against a black teenager, are you saying we can't question whether bias played a role

He went a step beyond that. He said that the judge is biased because he's Mexican, and should be recused. Trump's own lawyer, on the other hand, claimed that Curiel was doing his job as it should be done, and wouldn't request a recusal.

What has Curiel done besides be Mexican at Trump to assume bias?
 
I'm surprised he never looked it up, but this is what was proposed: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
I'll bet he'll just figure out it's too hard to do well and give up.
"On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest..."
"There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands..."

Wow... I mean wow... Trump just continues to impress me with just how insane his entire campaign is.
 
Yes I am also a Fortune 500 caliber world class salesman so I can appreciate his techniques.

But its really the fault of the masses, the fact that we have more access to the internet and information than ever, yet we aren't getting much more intelligent as a whole, many people are still left behind, overwhelmed by information overload.

So yeah, its sad, but its true that THATS WHAT WORKS and we cant let the opposition do it, and us not do it, at least I know he loves America and is manipulating the masses to help them for their own good.



Again, to follow that up, he said that he didn't remember what that guy looked like. He has met thousands of reporters in life and didn't know he was that one. Although to that guy, meeting Trump was a big deal. Doesn't mean he pictured him at the time.

So either

1) He didn't know

2) He got a little too flamboyant with body language about it on camera and tried to cover it up after.

So the thing is, number 2 isn't that bad either. Why? Because Trump is an equal opportunity offender when he is on that podium. Just because someone is sensitive, or handicapped, or a woman, or a minority, or anything doesnt mean he will treat them different.

Equality in other words. This guy lied and was being a weasel. Just because he is handicapped doesnt mean he cant get rekt?

That would essential be akin to treating him "different" if he is "protected." and that creeps people out. More than anything they want to be treated like anyone else, not "special"

But I honestly think he didn't know and it was just a coincidence that he was being theatrical. It was a very vague act. Probably looked more dramatic on camera than it felt doing it. And even if he did know the guy, he probably didn't purposefully try to make a "handicap" gesture and more of a "covering up lies" gesture but didn't realize how close he was to the actual gesture he might make or something like that.

Again, non story. I still need him to fix America he has a job to do.



You say bigotry but I don't think you understand what that word means.

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
  1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.




    Thats literally what Apple is now guilty of!!


So I'm supposed to support the KKK, ISIS and the Westborough Baptist Church or I'm a bigot? Is that what you are saying? Ok, I'm a bigot about certain things. Happy?

And the disabled man mocking. Have you EVER EVER EVER seen Trump move his arms that way while being an ****** to anyone else? Seriously, the blindness of Trump's followers is amazing!
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Yeah I tried to get that Reznatic guy to watch a documentary on Trump to see why he would be effective at helping this country but he wouldnt watch it.

Instead playing to the cliche, "the greater of two evils" logic that is popular right now.

I consider those people future Trump supporters who are in "transition" -They will come around there is nothing stoping this presidency, this movement. Its bigger than politics.

By the time Trump massacres hillary in the debates (with body language alone, not topic points) they will eventually follow the snowball and allow themselves to board the Trump bandwagon.

Many voters who think like that are swayed by momentum more than logic.

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I would say your analogy of Trump as a runaway train is pretty apt. And when he hits that first curve (first debate with Clinton) he will fly off the rails and become a massive fire ball.
 
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The email server scandal is justified. At best it was stupid, and given that the Clintons aren't stupid people I have to think her motives were less than innocent.

Or maybe they simply did what previous Secretaries of State did and moved on to more important things. Her own emails show she isn't savvy about electronics and computers in any way. She had to ask for help to do the simplest things on her gadgets. That's why she was trying to make things simpler for herself. And we all know the gov's systems are archaic and anyone who has had to deal with over-engineered, outdated corporate computer systems (that don't actually have the security they think they do) knows they make it extremely hard to get work done efficiently.
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All he said was that judges have biases. If a white judge or jury acquits a police officer of brutality against a black teenager, are you saying we can't question whether bias played a role?

Assume for purposes of argument that Judge Curiel rules in favor of Trump. Do you think he might have some uncomfortable conversations at the Thanksgiving dinner table?

Did you ever ask yourself WTF this has to do with his campaign, other than to stoke his people's fear of Mexicans (and their kids) being in positions of power? We all know his "university" was another of his moneymaking schemes. You can't be THAT blind, can you?
 
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So I'm supposed to support the KKK, ISIS and the Westborough Baptist Church or I'm a bigot? Is that what you are saying? Ok, I'm a bigot about certain things. Happy?


Why do people keep bringing up the KKK lol

For the longest time nobody talked about the KKK and nobody even remember they exist they are so phased out.

But now with all this Obama-nation/BLM stuff going on KKK is back in everyones mouth like they are still relevant and represent anything.

KKK hasn't been a thing that represents anything about white people for like almost 100 years now and is a horrible argument or comparison for anything.
 
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Why do people keep bringing up the KKK lol

For the longest time nobody talked about the KKK and nobody even remember they exist they are so phased out.

But now with all this Obama-nation/BLM stuff going on KKK is back in everyones mouth like they are still relevant and represent anything.

KKK hasn't been a thing that represents anything about white people for like almost 100 years now and is a horrible argument or comparison for anything.

Because when you want to talk about organizations MOST people are against and shouldn't support, KKK and nazis are the first to come to mind. And if you think the KKK isn't still relevant, you need to wake up. The guy who shot the British parliament member was a member of the US's white nationalist group which is the same as the KKK. And Trump had a white nationalist delegate until people pointed it out and shamed him about it.
 
Yes I am also a Fortune 500 caliber world class salesman so I can appreciate his techniques.

Really? That sure isn't apparent here because you haven't done a very good job of selling Trump so far. Just excuses. And backpeddling. You have now gone from a position of Trump definitely not knowing who the disabled reporter he mocked was and it being merely an uncanny spot on coincidence, to a position of okay...maybe he was being offensive but isn't it great...he offends everyone!

No, no it's not great.
 
Really? That sure isn't apparent here because you haven't done a very good job of selling Trump so far. Just excuses. And backpeddling. You have now gone from a position of Trump definitely not knowing who the disabled reporter he mocked was and it being merely an uncanny spot on coincidence, to a position of okay...maybe he was being offensive but isn't it great...he offends everyone!

No, no it's not great.

Bobby is taking the "fake it 'til you convince enough people to give you their money" page from Trump's playbook.
 
Really? That sure isn't apparent here because you haven't done a very good job of selling Trump so far. Just excuses. And backpeddling. You have now gone from a position of Trump definitely not knowing who the disabled reporter he mocked was and it being merely an uncanny spot on coincidence, to a position of okay...maybe he was being offensive but isn't it great...he offends everyone!

No, no it's not great.

It wasn't spot on all he did was shake, he started convulsing. That's not what handicapped people do first of all.

It was only was a short simple shaking motion that lasted at most two seconds and it looked nothing like what an actual handicapped person would do.

Like if someone was making fun of that it would be more of bent hand and more of a tightness of limb and make a concentrated scowl type thing like how kids used to do in school to mock people.

He definately didn't go there.

And even in that screen cap they try to capture his hand being bent but that wasn't what he was mostly doing he was raising his hands in the moment and was shaking saying what he was saying about the supposed liar.

It's just bogus lol.
 
The email server scandal is justified. At best it was stupid, and given that the Clintons aren't stupid people I have to think her motives were less than innocent.

The email stuff was stupid. Even smart people do dumb things. And also HC was not the only one guilty of doing the same.
 
It wasn't spot on all he did was shake, he started convulsing. That's not what handicapped people do first of all.

It was only was a short simple shaking motion that lasted at most two seconds and it looked nothing like what an actual handicapped person would do.

Like if someone was making fun of that it would be more of bent hand and more of a tightness of limb and make a concentrated scowl type thing like how kids used to do in school to mock people.

He definately didn't go there.

And even in that screen cap they try to capture his hand being bent but that wasn't what he was mostly doing he was raising his hands in the moment and was shaking saying what he was saying about the supposed liar.

It's just bogus lol.

Then what WAS Trump doing when he was talking about that man? Having a stroke because that might explain every dumb thing he's said since then (and actually I think Trump slurs his words very often and he claims to have never drank alcohol).
 
Then what WAS Trump doing when he was talking about that man? Having a stroke because that might explain every dumb thing he's said since then (and actually I think Trump slurs his words very often and he claims to have never drank alcohol).

I JUST said he was mocking what a liar backtracking on his word would say.
 
Apple won't support the GOP because they don't like Trump. Sounds like Bernie was right - Too much corporate involvement in the American political process.

Says the Irishman who benefits greatly from Obama -style offshoring of American jobs to low-cost workers in Ireland. Not enough cheap foreign workers? Tell the Irish government to issue visas and passports and get 'em in from India.

The result is good in the short term, but I was in Dublin recently and found the infrastructure very poor, the quality of bar and restaurant to be quite poor and the cost of living/rent is really quite shocking considering the average wages and high taxes.

Meanwhile there are no restrictions on very poor people arriving from all over the world to claim the incredibly generous welfare.

Ireland has an island (never mind a wall) and can't regulate their illegal immigration. Ireland can't regulate legal migration either because companies like Apple/Dell/Intel couldn't operate at low cost anymore and would simply leave.
 
I JUST said he was mocking what a liar backtracking on his word would say.

Still doesn't make sense. Trump apologists are working overtime and twisting themselves into logic pretzels to cover up what Trump does. I suppose all of Trump's dog whistles and innuendos go over your head, too? Gotta admit, Trump is a virtuoso at the "I'm not saying it's true but I hear it all the time" dog whistle that he can weasel out of when he needs to.
 
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As a conservative I apparently extend much more tolerance towards Apples social values than they extend towards mine. Truth is liberals are much more bigoted and intolerant than conservatives. On top of that liberals have a very sketchy relationship with the truth...it always bends to suit their agendas which usually are so toxic they have to be be hidden until their brainwash hits critical mass.
 
As a conservative I apparently extend much more tolerance towards Apples social values than they extend towards mine. Truth is liberals are much more bigoted and intolerant than conservatives. On top of that liberals have a very sketchy relationship with the truth...it always bends to suit their agendas which usually are so toxic they have to be be hidden until their brainwash hits critical mass.

Ladies and gentlemen, the adult version of "I know you are, what am I?" defense!
 
In what world is this true because it's not on Earth. Slapping your name on every cheap product you can and claiming you are the bestest of the best is not a record of business success. The only skill Trump has is fooling people into thinking he is better than he really is. He is a bullish*t virtuoso.
As a conservative I apparently extend much more tolerance towards Apples social values than they extend towards mine. Truth is liberals are much more bigoted and intolerant than conservatives. On top of that liberals have a very sketchy relationship with the truth...it always bends to suit their agendas which usually are so toxic they have to be be hidden until their brainwash hits critical mass.


Oh, you are talking about "liberalism" in the recent sense.

Many Republican voters are also "liberal" in the authentic sense.
 
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