Apple Withholds Republican Convention Donations Over Trump Politics

[APlotdevice]

As opposed to the other side with a socialist and a criminal?

Oh enough with this cold war propaganda BS that "socialism" is automatically a four letter word. The reality is that country has had socialist policies at the federal level since the 1930s, and at the state level for even longer. Yes in its extreme form socialism can be destructive, but the same can be said of capitalism in its extreme. A prosperous society needs to be somewhere in-between the two extremes.

As for Hilary... uh yeah, let that **** share a padded cell with Trump.

 

[Urban Joe]

Ladies and gentlemen, the adult version of "I know you are, what am I?" defense!

Nah...if I was as proactively discriminative as Apple is with regards to social/moral views I wouldn't buy Apple products at all. Period. However, I overlook the differences I have with them and focus on what I actually DO like and appreciate about their company/products. I am a conservative, like many others, who are actually able to suffer the opinions of those I disagree with. I RARELY IF EVER...in my experience...come across bleeding heart liberals who offer the same gracious hospitality in intellectual venues.

 

[highdough]

Tim, can you please stop messing with the political **** and release the upgraded Mac Pro?

Yes, because all the resources spent

One thing that both left and right wing people agree on is that this country USA is ****ed up!

Trump is the best and only possible chance we have to fix things and we need major changes. He's the only one aggressive and strong and bold enough to do something significant.

What is your problem?

Do you realize how cliche your attitude is? Its people like you who have disgusting outrage and overreaction that helped get him so much support anyway. Nobody takes over reactionary people like you serious.

Most of you come across as racist and anti-white.

So what you're saying is that in order to create more cooperation in the government, to continue to improve the economy, to bring more health care to the people who don't have it and to improve the US's image around the world you need a president who lies constantly, doesn't understand any of the issues, alienates and insults people who don't agree with him, makes scapegoats of minorities, and seems willing to completely disregard the constitution and Geneva Convention? And someone who has shown a willingness to rip people off in order to make a few dollars, who has bankrupted the only business he directly managed, and who's best skill is self-promotion, which is how he's actually made most of his money.

This is someone who you think the country needs?

 

[lowendlinux]

Ryan's liberal agenda...

Apple's Cook to host Paul Ryan fundraiser amid Trump woes

So Ryan is now a liberal?

 

[Urban Joe]

Yes, because all the resources spent


So what you're saying is that in order to create more cooperation in the government, to continue to improve the economy, to bring more health care to the people who don't have it and to improve the US's image around the world you need a president who lies constantly, doesn't understand any of the issues, alienates and insults people who don't agree with him, makes scapegoats of minorities, and seems willing to completely disregard the constitution and Geneva Convention? And someone who has shown a willingness to rip people off in order to make a few dollars, who has bankrupted the only business he directly managed, and who's best skill is self-promotion, which is how he's actually made most of his money.

This is someone who you think the country needs?

Just curious? Rhetorical question. How much ACTUAL objective research has gone into shaping your viewpoint?

 

[ksnell]

Oh enough with this cold war propaganda BS that "socialism" is automatically a four letter word. The reality is that country has had socialist policies at the federal level since the 1930s, and at the state level for even longer. Yes in its extreme form socialism can be destructive, but the same can be said of capitalism in its extreme. A prosperous society needs to be somewhere in-between the two extremes.

As for Hilary... uh yeah, let that **** share a padded cell with Trump.

There are plenty of countries you can live in with socialist or communist government so why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended? And yes, Bernie is a self proclaimed Socialist with unsustainable economic and social policies by everyone's measure (One of the largest issues with Socialism).

 

[lowendlinux]

There are plenty of countries you can live in with socialist or communist government so why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended? And yes, Bernie is a self proclaimed Socialist with unsustainable economic and social policies by everyone's measure (One of the largest issues with Socialism).

He's a Democratic Socialist i.e. FDR

 

[villicodelirant]

Why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended?

Hi, I'm a guy from Rome, you might be interested in knowing that I'm basically happy that we haven't had slavery and gladiators for almost 2000 years, even though that's what our founding fathers might have intended.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I was wondering whether or not Apple was going to support that uneducated, unethical, bad-mannered clown.

And just got my answer...

 

[lowendlinux]

Hi, I'm a guy from Rome, you might be interested in knowing that I'm basically happy that we haven't had slavery and gladiators for almost 2000 years, even though that's what our founding fathers might have intended.

but when you did you had female gladiators

Women and swords are awesome almost as awesome as women on motorcycles

 

[APlotdevice]

There are plenty of countries you can live in with socialist or communist government so why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended? And yes, Bernie is a self proclaimed Socialist with unsustainable economic and social policies by everyone's measure (One of the largest issues with Socialism).

Even at this nations founding there was never one single vision. The two radically different ideas of our first presidential cabinet members are what lead to the first political parties. They also knew that future generations would have different ideas as well, which is why they put in the option to amend the constitution.

This is all besides the point, since, once again, our country has been "socialist" since the 1930s!

 

[bent christian]

There are plenty of countries you can live in with socialist or communist government so why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended?

You may want to pick up a copy of the U.S. Constitutions some time and actually read it.

In the U.S. Constitution, you will find no prescribed economic model. The Founders had many different ideas about how to produce and pass along good and services.

 

[Urban Joe]

You may want to pick up a copy of the U.S. Constitutions some time and actually read it.

In the U.S. Constitution, you will find no prescribed economic model. The Founders had many different ideas about how to produce and pass along good and services.

Your reply seems correct but actually when you comprehend these concepts at a deeper level you will realize that the political foundations provided by the U.S. Constitution are very much capitalistic in nature. Check this out at your leisure: http://famguardian.org/subjects/politics/articles/capitalism/capit-2.htm

 

[bent christian]

Your reply seems correct but actually when you comprehend these concepts at a deeper level you will realize that the political foundations provided by the U.S. Constitution are very much capitalistic in nature.

You don't understand the word you are trying to define here.

 

[Populism]

You don't understand the word you are trying to define here.

You don't understand how often you tell people in the PRSI "you don't understand".

Let me help you.

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/2328686/?q="you+don't+understand"&o=date&c[user][0]=1002509

If you wake in the morning and the first person you talk to is a jerk, then that person is the jerk.

If every person you talk to for the rest of the day is a jerk, then you are the jerk.

 

[ksnell]

You may want to pick up a copy of the U.S. Constitutions some time and actually read it.

In the U.S. Constitution, you will find no prescribed economic model. The Founders had many different ideas about how to produce and pass along good and services.

I would propose that you read it again and take a look at the Federalist Papers as well. The Founding Fathers worked for limited government at a federal level and to push the power to the States and ultimately the people. They wanted to promote individual liberties as much as possible. That is extremely anti-Socialist.

 

[APlotdevice]

I would propose that you read it again and take a look at the Federalist Papers as well. The Founding Fathers worked for limited government at a federal level and to push the power to the States and ultimately the people. They wanted to promote individual liberties as much as possible. That is extremely anti-Socialist.

So tell me, is Alexander Hamilton a founding father?

 

[ksnell]

Hi, I'm a guy from Rome, you might be interested in knowing that I'm basically happy that we haven't had slavery and gladiators for almost 2000 years, even though that's what our founding fathers might have intended.

I respect your opinion but I think you are missing my point. The Founding Fathers of the US understood the value of pushing as much power down to local governments and the individual. America is extremely unique in this way. Individuals are given a lot of power and thus, a lot of responsibility. Every great nation throughout history that has tumbled in one way or another was via government overreach of power. The Founders understood this and stressed limited government and checks and balances in our Constitution.

 

[bent christian]

The Founding Fathers worked for limited government at a federal level and to push the power to the States and ultimately the people. They wanted to promote individual liberties as much as possible. That is extremely anti-Socialist.

The actual meaning of "Socialism" being public ownership and some for of democratic control [of a thing], there are very few legal, founding documents that are specifically anti-socialist. We can talk about suffrage and slavery - definitely anti-socialist.

 

[Larry-K]

Yet, you don't care about Hillary's corruption? Have you looked into her Clinton Foundation, the Russian uranium deal, how she's received tens of millions of dollars from Saudi-Arabia, Qatar and co etc.? Or all the other cases of criminal fraud? Have you looked into the Clinton Universities, which is a clear example of fraud (unlike the Trump University case). Liberals are all about "do as I say, not as I do".

Don't try to change the subject, until I see his tax return, I don't know what kind of fraud he is (and he is a fraud).

I know what kind of fraud she is, that's not the question here.

 

[Renzatic]

So Ryan is now a liberal?

When people do things I like, they're True Americans. When they don't, they become liberals.

 

[cube]

The US has a weird concept of "liberal" and "left".

 

[Renzatic]

He's a Democratic Socialist i.e. FDR

You could say that of just about every president from FDR up to Reagan to varying degrees.
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The US has a weird concept of "liberal" and "left".

Sortakinda, but not really. It's basically the same gradient used in Europe, but with the center shifted a few degrees farther over to the right.

 

[ksnell]

So tell me, is Alexander Hamilton a founding father?

Are you about to argue that he was a Founding Father and for big government? Please spare us as it is largely false.

He also died in a duel so he was ultimately pro 2nd amendment.

 

[gnasher729]

There are plenty of countries you can live in with socialist or communist government so why try to ruin/change the US from what the founding fathers intended? And yes, Bernie is a self proclaimed Socialist with unsustainable economic and social policies by everyone's measure (One of the largest issues with Socialism).

If you don't like people trying to change the way your country is run, why don't you go somewhere else? Seriously. Who gave you the right to decide who should live in the USA and who shouldn't, what opinions should be allowed there and which shouldn't?

haha... what does anybody actually know. Your comments leave me with a similar feeling. Just out of curiosity...if you love socialism so much then why not move to a more socialistic system ? At least let the free market try to exist in one place on the earth will ya?

You can go right with ksnell.

As opposed to the other side with a socialist and a criminal?

When I thought you couldn't sink any lower, suddenly you did...

Is that the strategy: Keep on lying until people heard it so often, they start believing it? I bet you also tell us Trump got where he is now without paying any bribes.