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A 4K TV might be amazing but without 4K content it is worthless.

ABSOLUTELY! How long did it take for AppleTV to gain 1080P? The latest revision Gen3... I don't really know how much stock I'd put into this with out 4k content...
 
I badly want this rumor to be true. True, 4K/UHD is overkill for most video programmings. But the sheer amount of contents 3840x2160 resolution can accommodate, combined with gesture-based interaction open up opportunities for app developers.

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Given how Apple likes to ridicule HDTV, it maybe setting itself up for UHD TV.
 
Maybe 1080p will coexist with 4K next generation consoles output (if ever will..)?
This..if Apple opens..a little.
Which kind of connection 4k requires?Not Hdmi i suppose..
 
I really want Apple to just fix OS X and iOS.

Funny that Steve Jobs once blasted TV, saying the scary thing about the programming is that it reflected what the users actually wanted. Now Apple is going to say TV is magical? Give me a break...
 
Maybe 1080p will coexist with 4K next generation consoles output (if ever will..)?
This..if Apple opens..a little.
Which kind of connection 4k requires?Not Hdmi i suppose..

Display port or HDMI.



On November 28, 2012, Sharp Corporation announced the PN-K321 which is a professional 32 in (81 cm) LCD Monitor that uses a IGZO panel and edge-lit LED backlighting.[67][68] The PN-K321 will have a resolution of 3840 × 2160 pixels and will support 60 fps with the DisplayPort connection, 60 fps using two HDMI connections, or 30 fps using a single HDMI connection.[67][68] The PN-K321 will be released in Japan on February 15, 2013.[67][68]
 
Maybe 1080p will coexist with 4K next generation consoles output (if ever will..)?
This..if Apple opens..a little.
Which kind of connection 4k requires?Not Hdmi i suppose..

HDMI can do 4K just like they could do 3D....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...10240&cs_id=1025503&p_id=10207&seq=1&format=2

This cable supports the following HDMI features:

1080p Resolution - This High Speed HDMI Cable has sufficient bandwidth to transfer 1080p video signals between 1080p rated source and sink (display) devices.


HDMI Ethernet Channel - The HDMI Ethernet Channel provides 100 Mbps, full-duplex Ethernet traffic along the HDMI cable, allowing a wired or wireless Ethernet connection on one device to be propagated to other devices. Note that for this feature to be functional, all pieces of equipment between the Ethernet source and the destination must support the HDMI Ethernet Channel feature.


Audio Return Channel - Normally, your HDMI cable carries audio information along with the video from a source device (e.g. blu-ray player) to the sink device (display/television). Often times this goes through an AV receiver to drive a home theater audio system. The Audio Return Channel is primarily used to send the audio signal generated by the television when its internal tuner is used, back to the AV receiver, so that you can use your home theater audio system when watching television signals.


3D - 3D is the latest rage for both home theater and gaming. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth requirements of 3D signals.


4K - The 4K resolution is 3840 x 2160 pixels @ 24 Hz, which is four times that of a 1080p display and the same resolution used by state-of-the-art Digital Cinema systems. A High Speed HDMI Cable is capable of handling the high bandwidth required for 4K support.


Deep Color - The Deep Color feature provides a minimum of 8-bits per color element (24-bits total), providing for a total of over 16 million color variations. Other versions of Deep Color allow for up to 16-bits per element, for a total of 48-bits and over 281 trillion color variations, which really makes your video images come to life!


x.v.Color™ - x.v.Color is a promotion name given to the products that have the capability to realize a wide color space based on the xvYCC specifications and is a trademark of Sony Corporation. Currently, only AVCHD and Playstation™ 3 devices support x.v.Color.


High Definition Audio - HDMI supports a full range of high definition audio types, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™.
 
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lol like $9,000 dollars cheaper, a 4k TV at 50 inch would not retail less than $10,000.00 in Australia, if you can stomach that figure. Besides with no content why bother, a full HD will still serve you well until 4k content becomes more mainstream.

I agree, I've seen a few good 50" 1080 LED LCD ones for less than $1000, not many are going to pay 10x as much for a better screen with no content for the next 5-10 years. By then we'll all be able to afford them as the price comes down.
 
Go See One. Then you will find this graph pointless.

I tried it out, I have a 1080p projector and a big enough living room.

And there is barely any difference between 720p material and 1080p material(same clip) at 20feet for example.

As I said I dont know beyond because I dont have a 4k screen, but its likely like 1080p on screens smaller then 42" quite pointless.
 
I just want to use one of the 84" UHDTVs as my monitor. FaceTime would sure be interesting with that. "MACFRY!!"
 
I agree, I've seen a few good 50" 1080 LED LCD ones for less than $1000, not many are going to pay 10x as much for a better screen with no content for the next 5-10 years. By then we'll all be able to afford them as the price comes down.

What are you talking about.. Sony gives you 10 4K movies with their 4K TV and Sammy will have content able less than a month or two after they bring their 4K Tv out in the Summer not 5 years or more... The 4K content is there. It is the 4K TV that needs to hit the market first...
 
If this launches and actually finds a market (by way of fair pricing), then I suppose we can all guess all the other manufacturers next move.

Lets not start crap. Other manufacturers have already been working on 4K for quite a while. The last Olympics was broadcast in 4K in the UK and I think it was Samsung panels that were being used.
 
And where's the library of 4K content going to come from? Hasn't content and content deals been a big obstacle of really maxing :apple:TV success to date? But now Apple is going to bring a big library of 4K content to feed this new TV?

As others have asked, where the distribution channel? How's the content going to get from iCloud to us users? It seems just yesterday when there were passionate arguments being made that 1080p content in the iTunes store would crash the whole internet. Now we're talking much larger files than 1080p. Even if h.265 comes along to help, they'll still be very big files.

This feels like more "just keeping guessing" rumors and eventually it may prove to be right.


I'd only like to comment on the continuing "content" problem being brought up...some of us in the content business here in L.A. have discussed the content paradigm. Clearly the explosion in mobile devices is by default going to change the way the game is played...it will happen... it has to happen...why? In my case.. my eyeballs are on my my iPad or iPhone way more than TV.... Even more than my Mac Pro...

Lets take Apple TV -- the device.. Some of you say Apple can't do anything with it unless the content kings like my employer change the way they distribute content.. Let's say Apple only opens up the App Store to the current variation of ATV.. That's an automatic content delivery stream. Think of app developers themselves making "content" to distribute to Apple TV... At that point anyone could in fact become a distributor.. Thus a major disruption to the "industry" as we know it... Yea it could happen. Easily. With 400/500 million Apple mobile units in the marketplace worldwide Apple could quite easily change the paradigm...their customer base yields a lot of bargaining power -- um, yea, it does. The same goes for Android. Size is starting to really matter...

Another scenario - the current Apple TV box via a special store starts to sell programming/streaming services like U-verse, Time Warner etc...direct...Netflix is already avail, HBO is at bat. Meaning instead of waiting for the content guys to cave, any of these guys would die for the chance to sell thru Apple, allowing Apple TV devices to be bought and owned, and it operate wirelessly - no techs needed...seamless integration... Kind of how you choose your wireless carrier when buying an iPhone... You select the package..You get the content pushed thru the Apple interface...bam!

I strongly believe that Apple TV and the iTV are two separate animals - if not why all the experimentation on the box itself? Keep in mind the boxes sold over 5 mil last quarter with NO marketing effort whatsoever. there's not even a poster, counter card or ad campaign for it in their own stores--- all by design.... It's this device that will be Apples "next big thing"...

Bet me.
 
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Wow, this rumour again! Apple can't even manage their existing range, let alone another new product. No doubt if it does arrive, Apple will be telling us how they've redefined the television set experience, and thousands of isheep will accuse Samsung of copying Apple. You know it's true!
 
I'd only like to comment on the continuing "content" problem being brought up...some of us in the content business here in L.A. Have discussed the content paradigm. Clearly the explosion in mobile devices is by default going to change the way the game is played...it will happen... It has to happen...why? In my case my eyeballs on my my iPad or iPhone way more than TV....

Lets take Apple TV the device.. Some of you say Apple can't do anything with it unless the content kings like my employer change the way they distribute content.. Let's say Apple only opens up the App Store to the current variation of ATV.. That's an automatic content delivery stream. Think of app developers themselves making "content" to distribute to Apple TV... At that point anyone could in fact become a distributor.. Thus a major disruption to the "industry" as we know it... Yea it could happen. Easily. With 400/500 million Apple mobile units in the marketplace worldwide Apple could quite easily change the paradigm...their customer base yields a lot of bargaining power, yea, it does.

Another scenario - the current Apple TV box via a special store starts to sell programming/streaming services like U-verse, Time Warner etc... Meaning instead of waiting for the content guys to cave, any if these guys would die fir the chance to sell thru Apple, allowing Apple TV devices to be bought and owned, and it operate wirelessly - no techs needed...seamless integration... Kind of how you choose your wireless carrier when buying an iPhone... You get the content pushed thru the Apple interface...bam!

I strongly believe that Apple TV and the iTV are two separate animals - if not why all the experimentation on the box itself? Keep in mind the boxes sold over 5 mil last quarter with NO marketing effort whatsoever. there's not even a poster, counter card or ad campaign for it --- all by design.... It's this device that will be Apples "next big thing"...

Bet me.

Tell your boss to allow subscription services.

Ala carte.

;)
 
What are you talking about.. Sony gives you 10 4K movies with their 4K TV and Sammy will have content able less than a month or two after they bring their 4K Tv out in the Summer not 5 years or more... The 4K content is there. It is the 4K TV that needs to hit the market first...

But it will be a long time before we get 4k TV transmission, I just hope its not another 3D thing, great in theory but hard to put into practice and get the content people want. I guess the upside for a computer screen it allows you to see 4 full HD video images on one screen.
 
Tell your boss to allow subscription services.

Ala carte.

;)

Dude, it's gonna happen... It has to. The sticking point is this "bundling" the content kings do.. That's the piece they literally will die before giving that up..

The news is that I think Cablevision for one recently filed suit against Viacom re the scheming that goes into the channel packaging... Almost immediately other distributors joined the lawsuit... This -- believe it or not -- this is a pretty significant development...I'm not a lawyer but its my understanding that a decent amount of collusion and threats go into the carriage agreements... Just look how many conflicts have hit all the majors in the last year alone...I doubt this will be the last suit to be filed... Yea this could be "the" crack in the control over distribution...and yea this could impact Apple... And hey don't forget Apple itself could sign its own distribution deals with people like MLB, etc.... Um, Amazon is now in the content creation biz, so is Netflix...I'm not BS'ing... Think about it... Hey there's talk Apple goes after Netflix as an acquisition...in L.A. We say "never say never".. Apple needs more content diversity...it's going to get it some way some how..Notice the recent "change" in Apples earnings statement that now separates out iTunes income... This is also a interesting development...income is everything..

Read it here..http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/cablevision-files-antitrust-lawsuit-viacom-424587
 
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Considering Apple's entire contribution to content is to make things simple and easy at the expense of quality, I'm not sure what kind of content will be available for those TVs.

Apple's 1080p "HD" quality is a lower bitrate than the sound stream on a blue ray. And their HD looks like crap and sounds worse.

Why would anyone want to pay for more pixels for their poor quality content?

Much better to spend $2k on a high quality 1080p TV and blu-ray player and another $3k on a proper sound system than an Apple 4k screen with no decent content.
I really not agree here. Considering AppleTV 1080p is streamed over internet the quality is impressive. I also have a 5.1 and sound last time i 've rent i movies was very very good. We seen the rent in 8, half of these are nerds/geeks and all agreed that it was very high quality especially considering it is streamed over internet.
 
Dude, it's gonna happen... It has to. The sticking point is this "bundling" the content kings do.. That's the piece they literally will die before giving that up..

The news is that I think Cablevision for one recently filed suit against Viacom re the scheming that goes into the channel packaging... Almost immediately other distributors joined the lawsuit... This -- believe it or not -- this is a pretty significant development...I'm not a lawyer but its my understanding that a decent amount of collusion and threats go into the carriage agreements... Just look how many conflicts have hit all the majors in the last year alone...I doubt this will be the last suit to be filed... Yea this could be "the" crack in the control over distribution...and yea this could impact Apple... And hey don't forget Apple itself could sign its own distribution deals with people like MLB, etc.... Um, Amazon is now in the content creation biz, so is Netflix...I'm not BS'ing... Think about it... Hey there's talk Apple goes after Netflix as an acquisition...in L.A. We say "never say never".. Apple needs more content diversity...it's going to get some way some how..

Read it here..http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/cablevision-files-antitrust-lawsuit-viacom-424587

I knew about the Viacom lawsuit.The only problem in this is the elephant not in the room.

Comcast Communications.

The FCC and DOJ should have never allowed Comcast to buy NBC/Universal.
 
This bottles the mind

That's an understatement...Motion Control? I have it....In fact I have ALL the features except 4K...20K...I'm a died in the wool Apple user, but this one? No thanks....I think Apple are shooting at the TV market only, and when you look at the competition who are already producing 4K set's then all you'd be buying is a built in ATV.

Big Mistake IMO.
 
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