Apple Working on All-New Operating System

[dumastudetto]

Just what we need, even more platforms for Crowdstrike to break…


Like the HomePod?

No. I mean a productivity device that can manage all aspects of my life effectively and efficiently. HomePod can rarely play the right song when I command it.

 

[eifelbube]

"all new"

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Copland was an "All New Operating System" (and perhaps an example of why we don't get an All New Operating System these days), but even in this era of clickbait headlines and AI slop, you're not going to call another flavor of iOS with some new APIs an "All New Operating System". Do better, MacRumors.

You mean “Do better, Mark Gurman”? 😊
“Apple is developing an all-new operating system codenamed "Charismatic," according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.”

 

[gleepskip]

It just takes a wee bit of imagination to think of so-called "use cases." Apple will likely sell loads of their smart home hubs. I'll probably purchase one, depending on features and positive reviews.

But yeah... expecting the reflexive "Who asked for this?" that's often said when Apple releases a new product category.

I'll stand by my "who asked for this" premise. There are so-called "use cases"??

 

[centauratlas]

iRobot running RobotOS

Maybe Apple should buy iRobot given the Amazon deal fell through.

 

[centauratlas]

Just don’t call it homeOS. When spoken, it just reminds me a lot of the “Liquid Ass” debacle.

Like ExpertsExchange.com which could be capitalized as ExpertSexchange.com 😂

 

[x86dude]

Apple has one very old operating system with different user interfaces.

I supported an O.S. with re/loadable kernel modules so you did not have to reboot.
That was 25 years ago.

 

[applefan8254]

Already there for Education & Corporate.

Shared iPad overview

Shared iPad allows more than one user to sign in to an iPad. The iPad needs to be supervised before Shared iPad can be used.

support.apple.com

They purposely don't offer it so they can gouge people into buying more iPads.

I have no clue why people defend this company sometimes.
(not referring to you, I just mean in general)

What if they redesigned it and marketed in a way so that it's made for just one person to have separate spaces; like work, home, personal, etc...some of us use devices that have these capabilities but we want to use apple products but can't because they lack this ability. It would mean more sales for them I feel like

 

[svish]

The new OS will most likely be for all the upcoming home devices Apple has in development. Should see it in action at WWDC next year.

 

[Will Co]

Probably an indication for the average age of users here. Note: I never said Tim shouldn't be fired 😉. In all seriousness, though, I do think Apple as a company, from a product and software point of view (I don't care about the stock) are suffering in that sense from not being led by a product guy.

Apple had built enough momentum and operations and philosophy of design by the time Steve died for Tim to take the reins, but we're in a new world now and a product guy is needed once again. Someone who wants the products to be useable IRL and wants the software to have the kind of details and thoughtfulness that only Steve and his underlings could achieve. Same goes for hardware. Tim doesn't have the awareness to understand the problem. And people like Gruber are asking Apple's software guy software questions he isn't aware of, such as not knowing the hands on watch faces have drop-shadows. This may not be a big deal to some, but it shows a lack of awareness.

iOS 7 released 11 years ago and shipped whereby anpp icons would land with a bounce on the home screen and you had to wait a bit before you could interact with the software. It was annoying. The current public beta of iOS 26 has the same problem. Steve died 13 years ago.

I completely agree with this sentiment. Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes and how things actually get done at Apple, or don’t get done. But Apple is a very different animal to what it was in the Jobs era and it needs that kind of leadership again. Apple today feels like it doesn’t care about the little details. Those are the things that really made them different and their products a true joy to use. Today we have only remnants of that left and it seems to be fading with each new product or software version. Jobs is dead, I know, and he was unique, I know. But that doesn’t change the fact that they need someone with some of his attributes at the helm to get their mojo back.

 

[CrysisDeu]

You want the Apple Watch to run the same OS as an Apple TV? How's that going to work?

HarmonyOS is a distributed operating system developed by Huawei, designed to run on a wide range of devices, including smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, wearables, and in-car systems. It aims to create a seamless user experience across different devices by enabling them to work together as a "super device". HarmonyOS is known for its microkernel architecture, which enhances security and efficiency.

From Google

Sounds like Apple’s skill issue

 

[MacMediaNet]

It might end up like butterfly keyboard, touch bar and Vision Pro.

 

[macduke]

I still don’t understand what this is. If I want to control my home I can do so with my iPhone or iPad or Mac or Apple Watch HomePod Mini or Apple TV or AirPods Pro. Why do I need yet another device? I don’t want my kids fiddling with my home stuff, so I don’t get the point of it. Maybe for a high end VRBO? And maybe for really old people who can’t figure out an iPad somehow. But idk who those people are because my grandparents are in their 80s and use their iPad and iPhone just fine all the time.

Maybe if it has a built-in WiFi router and whole house room-by-room presence detection for automation, that would be useful. I’ve seen the latest presence detection tech and there’s some cool stuff like that but I think you need one per floor.

 

[gleepskip]

It might end up like butterfly keyboard, touch bar and Vision Pro.

It will be a side-project for sure. Mac, iPad/iPhone, and Watch typically get annual updates. Everything else sits idle for YEARS.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Sounds interesting. Let’s wait and see what actually materialises.

 

[deesedani]

Until Apple bring a complete set of hardware such as lightbulbs, cameras, door bells, plugs, switches etc to the ecosystem it’s all going to be a mess, they are missing such a major opportunity here it’s unbelievable and on top of that they are several years behind on the roadmap, such a shame this from a users of many different hardwares in my home a lack of pure leadership

 

[Madonepro]

Until Apple bring a complete set of hardware such as lightbulbs, cameras, door bells, plugs, switches etc to the ecosystem it’s all going to be a mess, they are missing such a major opportunity here it’s unbelievable and on top of that they are several years behind on the roadmap, such a shame this from a users of many different hardwares in my home a lack of pure leadership

Apple will never seriously do that. Why would you diversify your business into home hardware, it's low margin product. Apple has a clear strategy, that you can see on every device; build the OS, and let others supply the software/hardware. Apple could have an amazing running/sports app, that has all the features you'd find on a Garmin/Polar/Coros/Suunto, but it doesn't, it lets the ecosystem develop and grow.

 

[citysnaps]

Sounds interesting. Let’s wait and see what actually materialises.

Spot-on. So many quickly and automatically rush to the "Apple doesn't innovate anymore!... or Who asked for this" Not realizing (more likely conveniently ignoring) all of Apple's dozen+ flops were released under the previous Apple leader.

Apple's 1+ Billion active and repeat customers will be the final arbiters of Apple's home hub device's success. I suspect it will be a very successful Apple product.

As I mentioned earlier, one just needs to exercise their imagination a little as to the various home applications Apple's home hub product can be used. The market is waiting for a company like Apple to simplify what is now a rather tedious task getting one's home automation system in order. I'm speaking from experience on that having developed my own home automation setup a decade ago.

 

[votdfak]

"All new" OS is f stretch.

 

[Bazza1]

After relying on the OS created for the 2007 iPod Touch for so long - and given the products' importance in its bottom line - you might think a complete re-imagining of iOS might be in order. I mean, a re-think over and above "Squirrel!" features like Apple Intelligence (the oxymoron) or Liquid Glass...

 

[seek3r]

It's time for one Apple OS. Same architecture, unified UI. They're really spreading themselves too thin. Yes, they already kind of have the same base, but you can see with visionOS how far behind that is with missing features, etc. We're closer to 10 operating systems than 1 at this point.

There is one OS… Darwin/Mach. That’s what the OS actually *is*. Everything else is UI layers and exposed APIs on top of that. The APIs are shared where appropriate, and it seems a major goal of the “liquid glass” UI/UX coming this fall is to unify the UI a bit more. What are you asking for beyond that?

 

[seek3r]

After relying on the OS created for the 2007 iPod Touch for so long - and given the products' importance in its bottom line - you might think a complete re-imagining of iOS might be in order. I mean, a re-think over and above "Squirrel!" features like Apple Intelligence (the oxymoron) or Liquid Glass...

wait until you find out MacOS/iOS/etc are the Darwin/Mach base and thus NeXTSTEP, dating to the 1980s

 

[turbineseaplane]

There is one OS… Darwin/Mach. That’s what the OS actually *is*. Everything else is UI layers and exposed APIs on top of that. The APIs are shared where appropriate, and it seems a major goal of the “liquid glass” UI/UX coming this fall is to unify the UI a bit more. What are you asking for beyond that?

Given this .. how about all the devices sync up with macOS and allow App installs from anywhere a device owner would like?

To your point, these OSes are all basically the same .. it's just about UI layers and exposed APIs on top.

 

[seek3r]

Given this .. how about all the devices sync up with macOS and allow App installs from anywhere a device owner would like?

To your point, these OSes are all basically the same .. it's just about UI layers and exposed APIs on top.

It’s a business and product distinction that drives that. There’s no actual technical impossibility it’s not like that, but the UX needs and target market between the touch devices and macs are very different. Combining things too much historically hasnt worked so well, see: Windows 8

 

[rumourmonger]

Now the new OS bugs will not be bugs but growing pains.

 

[TNman]

I don't envision a broad use case for this. It will be expensive, sit in one place instead of on your arm or in your pocket, and will have the worst voice assistant in the industry.

That’s odd because google home and Alexa’s are selling just fine and the don’t sit on your arm or your pocket. Maybe you aren’t aware of other companies besides Apple…there is a term for that. S H E E P