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Grow a pair pessimists. Every new release has its teething problems on any software Apple or not. Apple did a fantastic job with Mavericks and if you are such whiney rats why do you keep Mavericks? Oh right because deep down you know it is great but you love to complain because you can never get enough pats or something. /woof
 
It is in GOOGLEs best interest to make it more and more difficult for desktop clients to access Gmail accounts. You don't get ads with an IMAP client like Mail. Google also has a very poor/non-standard implementation of the IMAP protocol itself which makes it hard for clients to get things right. Mail worked fine for me and my Gmail account in 10.8 but I can at least understand why there would be issues with Gmail specifically.

If Google was doing it on purpose why would the issues only exist in Mavericks?

For your argument I can at least evince anecdotally by adding that for me Gmail's IMAP is indeed much more quirky and finicky than other clients I've used.
 
Grow a pair pessimists. Every new release has its teething problems on any software Apple or not. Apple did a fantastic job with Mavericks and if you are such whiney rats why do you keep Mavericks? Oh right because deep down you know it is great but you love to complain because you can never get enough pats or something. /woof

Who are you talking to?
 
I don't think they'd do that. There's not much point--they are included in Mavericks, which is free. Apple can still issue updates even if the app isn't on the MAS--see iTunes.

iTunes gets updated individually from the App store doesn't it? That comes with os x

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Who are you talking to?

the pessimists, as stated in the first line lol..
 
I read for the first time today that there are issues with Gmail and mail.app. I have only experienced two since upgrading:

1) to archive an item, I have to move it to GMAIL/Archive in the sidebar rather than to MAILBOXES/Archive/Gmail (All Mail), BUT it's the latter folder that then has the item. That is, I can only move to one folder, but the folder to which I move items is then empty, and it's the other folder that shows them all.

2) Lots of messages in my inbox that I have never archived now show an "Archive - Gmail (All Mail)" tag even though they physically remain in the inbox.

Both are minor annoyances, and it seems like others have it much worse.

I haven't noticed too much either.
 
Tried AirMail when it was beta testing, looked nice but resource hog and couldn't drag emails from one account to another like I can in Mail.app (big thing for me). I questioned why I was even using it. Came to the conclusion I was using it because it looked pretty. I questioned why I need my email app to look a bit prettier than the already neat looking Mail.app when I only look at the email itself and keep the client minimised the rest of the time. After taking that step back I realised Mail.app client was the best choice by far since it is lightweight, does everything I need and built into the OS.

So pessimists, don't hate on Mail.app because it is not eye candy enough for you. You love to hate on things over the smallest stuff. What you think software isn't allowed to have teething issues on release? Do you get upset when you receive a folded bank note too?
 
No wonder Mavericks was free... we're all beta testers!

But you'll never get charged for them to fix it. Let's face it, all new software has issues when it released. Whether it's apple, google, android, Microsoft, etc, they all have bugs. So no matter how stable a company says it's software is, there's always something that needs to be fixed.
 
Keyboard issues, app issues, stability problems, trackpad problems, battery issues, hard drive issues, maps issues, display issues, . Apple: It just works TM :apple:
 
Apple software are getting buggier and buggier. I spent the last night sleeplessly trying to re-install Mavericks. Installer failed about 7 times while downloading the setup.
 
Apple software are getting buggier and buggier. I spent the last night sleeplessly trying to re-install Mavericks. Installer failed about 7 times while downloading the setup.

Out of curiosity, what system are you running?
 
Have had two persistent issues with Mavericks. One was that my Wacom Intuos tablet (and to a lesser extent my Cintiq) lost pressure sensitivity. That was fixed with a driver update from Wacom.

The other is my Mail is all jacked up. Rules generally don't work anymore, I'm getting no badge on the dock icon, and unread mail count is always wrong (example, it'll say I have 3 unread mail, when intact I have 12). I've been depending more on my iPad for mail correspondence.
 
A mutt

Yes indeed, Apple Mail in Mavericks is a messed up mutt. It is so bad that I have downloaded Postbox and have been using that for the past few days. In AM, filtering does not seem to work properly. Auto checking of mail seems awry. IMAP syncing seems to have gone haywire. How could this possibly have made it thru quality control?
 
Yes indeed, Apple Mail in Mavericks is a messed up mutt. It is so bad that I have downloaded Postbox and have been using that for the past few days. In AM, filtering does not seem to work properly. Auto checking of mail seems awry. IMAP syncing seems to have gone haywire. How could this possibly have made it thru quality control?

You don't get it.

YOU are the quality control. Welcome to the new Apple.

-SC
 
aaaand this is why I'm waiting for 10.9.1 to upgrade. I learned my lesson after installing Mountain Lion and iOS 7 on release day.
 
I wish that could be changed, because I actually have to use the mouse and click a button now.

The way you wrote that makes it seem like a ridiculously huge effort.

Some of us prefer to use the keyboard because it is faster (and, of course, less annoying not to have to constantly move back and forth between the input devices).

But yes, your interpretation is one possibility for what I wrote. I obviously did not mean it like that, and the other points still stand regardless.
 
But yes, your interpretation is one possibility for what I wrote. I obviously did not mean it like that, and the other points still stand regardless.[/QUOTE]

Stop complaining, Apple give you a OS X for free which is nice. Do you see Microsoft doing one single thing of that sort. Also many Microsoft release all
have bugs way more then Apple does.
Apple could have charge for the OS X instead but they see those of us that have macbook airs and mac's pay top dollar, so they saw why not give them free OS X and other stuff.
 
Apple is aware of the problem and has seeded an updated Mail app to both Apple employees and testers in Apple's AppleSeed customer program.

It is also now in the mac dev center.

So all developers can now get it.

However it weirdly only showed up when I logged in on my ipad, not my mac. It's not too big, so I just downloaded it to my dropbox with the ipad and then transferred to my mac via dropbox.
 
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I'm hoping all native apps will be downloadable through the Mac App Store with future OS releases.

Same goes for iOS, seems like the best way to send out updates as quickly as possible - rather than updating the entire OS itself.

Well if they wanted to update just one app they'd release a software update which only contains changes for that app. Which is what they do.
 
I might as well add my voice to the chorus. Tried to download and install Maverick (there was no choice!). It failed, leaving me with the same OS X Macbook Pro Retina 10.8.5. Its not a problem, as I will just continue as before. Pity Apple can't get their act together on this.
 
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