Wow, so dense. Without all these "whiney rats", Apple wouldn't know all the problems to fix them or how to make their software better for the users. That's what we call capitalism working. Get off your high horse and come back to reality. I'm not saying Mavericks is bad either, FYI, but their Mail app does suck and could use huge improvements. I'm sure some are coming that they had in mind themselves, and now maybe some from the users since they "whine" about it.
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Apple Working on Fix for OS X Mavericks Mail App Issues
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Wow, so dense. Without all these "whiney rats", Apple wouldn't know all the problems to fix them or how to make their software better for the users. That's what we call capitalism working. Get off your high horse and come back to reality. I'm not saying Mavericks is bad either, FYI, but their Mail app does suck and could use huge improvements. I'm sure some are coming that they had in mind themselves, and now maybe some from the users since they "whine" about it.
I don't get why iOS mail app is still so quick and efficient, but Mavericks mail app freezes and crashes so often. I have this issue where my mail app freezes after I type in an address.
I always also get my mail minutes sooner in iOS than I do in Mail.
Same with imessages -- instantaneous in iOS, delayed in Mavericks.
If it works for iOS I don't understand why the same apps are ****** in Mavericks.
I always also get my mail minutes sooner in iOS than I do in Mail.
Same with imessages -- instantaneous in iOS, delayed in Mavericks.
If it works for iOS I don't understand why the same apps are ****** in Mavericks.
hmmmm.....except Mail.app has been around forever. They didn't really add anything to it in Mavericks either to make it cause so many problems. It's interesting that most of my third-party software still works fine, but there's been a lot of problems from the software included. I'm not saying there won't ever be any problems, just seems like a huge mess when you think of it that way.
Umm...yes, I have. You must not have been paying attention when Windows 8.1 was released. (And on a smaller level, they've done this with a lot of their applications.)
Well, Outlook has never worked well with Gmail (no idea why, since Outlook supports IMAP and so does Gmail, but it's always been weird). But honestly, both Microsoft and Apple products have been fairly stable for me. In any case, we shouldn't use the excuse that "it's free" to mean that work-stopping bugs are OK--and OS X isn't really free, since, as you noted, you have to buy the hardware. What are you going to tell someone who just bought a new computer with Mavericks?
The second day I had Maverick, Mail just erased all my Gmail Mailbox. Everything disappeared, both from my Mac and from the webpage, I had nothing even in the trash and I had to contact Google to get all my mails back.
This sucks!
And I also have a lot of Drafts everywhere, hope they are going to fix it very soon!
This sucks!
And I also have a lot of Drafts everywhere, hope they are going to fix it very soon!
this one is a real bother (I ran into it myself with a Numbers file) but it has nothing to do with Mail.app or Mavericks. It happens when you try to send an iwork 13 file to or from a gmail address using ANY email client or gmail webmail. It's not a bug either. It's google email servers treating all new iWork documents as potential malware carriers. Apple changed the format for Pages and Numbers documents in iwork 13. Instead of single files they are now packages (i.e folders with a bundle bit) just like OS X application files. You can right-click on a Numbers document, choose "Show Package Contents" and see what's inside. The problem is that one of the files in there is a zip file index.zip and google doesn't like that. They have a mail rule on the server that blocks zip files containing zip files because they are afraid it might be malware and they treat new format Pages and Numbers packages as such even though they are not really zip files.
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590
You can test that this is the issue by removing index.zip. This will of course brick your document but it will go through gmail without any issues. Google ought to add an exception to their server mail rule so that .pages and .numbers are not treated as zips containing zips just because of the presence of index.zip. That's VERY easy for google to do and will make the whole issue go away.
Just give me an option for active sync or exchange web services so I don't have to check manually (or set it to one minute for checking for mail). I would switch in a heartbeat of that was possible. If it is, I must not be looking hard enough.
I have a list of email addresses in a spreadsheet and have been able to copy and paste them into the previous version of Mail with no problem. They resolved and sent with no bother at all, but since the upgrade to Mavericks and the new version of Mail, they will no longer resolve unless I add a comma "," between every address. Seeing as I have some 900+ addresses, its a bit of a pain. For now I have just added an additional column to my spreadsheet containing a text based comma and that seems to be working, but surely Mail should recognise a list of addresses and resolve them automatically! After all, it did before the upgrade!
I was also surprised by this behavior, after jumping from Snow Leopard to Mavericks. I keep some email lists in TextEdit. They always dragged into the To: field in Mail before. Now I have to add a comma after each address. Not a big thing, but annoying. I can't say if this behavior was introduced in Mavericks, Mountain Lion, or Lion, since I skipped the two in between.
Except Windows 8.1 is free for only those who are running Windows 8. In other words the only way to get 8.1 for free is you first had to buy Windows 8 or buy a new computer running Windows 8. Those running XP or Windows 7 can't get Windows 8.1 for free. Windows 8.1 is basically a fix for Windows 8.
Those running Snow Leopard, Lion or ML can get Mavericks for free.
I have not updated to Mavericks yet. Just curious why you don't put your e-mail list in the contacts app. You can setup a single contact entry that basically has all your entries that you have in your text e-mail list. I do this when I want to group a set of e-mail address together.
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Curious if the reported mail app issues are also happening with those that use Yahoo e-mail.
I'm one of those affected by Mail vs Gmail issues and have been having lots of trouble since my "upgrade" to the new OSX. These days I've tried many workarounds, including fiddling with the "All mail" label (I didn't even remember I had disabled that thing), as well as alternative mail clients (I purchased AirMail and tried Thunderbird).
My findings:
In conclusion: goodbye Gmail, I'm moving all my messages to iCloud with a nice batch script, and will be back using the great Mail.app soon. In retrospective, I'm surprised how good the native Mail app is.
My findings:
- Gmail has a great anti-spam filter, but anything else is very confusing. Tons of settings, and this labels vs folder thing that just does not convince me. They say this way the same message can have multiple labels. In my 100000+ messages I thing I'd use this feature twice.
- given all the praise it's taken, I found AirMail very disappointing. No collapsible folders, no way to have fixed width fonts, etc.
- Thunderbirds is just a pile of bugs.
In conclusion: goodbye Gmail, I'm moving all my messages to iCloud with a nice batch script, and will be back using the great Mail.app soon. In retrospective, I'm surprised how good the native Mail app is.
Good to know!
I think the bigger problem with the change in behavior for Gmail archiving in Mavericks is that the keyboard shortcut was so ingrained into me that it's hard to change. In fact, it's impossible to "get used" to another keyboard shortcut since Apple didn't provide one for archiving in the first place (Thunderbird uses "a," which I get right about 95% of the time--I just periodically scan my Trash for accidents now).
It's really fortunate for me that I dislike archiving because if I had that behavior changed from under me it would probably drive me nuts.
You might be able to change something from within the keyboard shortcuts menu in System Preferences. I don't know if it's in there offhand (on my phone) but it might be worth a look.
A matter of tidiness and simplicity, I guess. These are mailing lists that I don't want to keep in the Contacts app. Maintaining them in TextEdit was always easy. It still is, but with this new wrinkle.
How is this Apple's problem?
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They *are* zip files. You can't attach a folder to an email, a folder is a logical object, not a physical one. So Mail MIME-encodes it as application/zip.
If you yank it out of your Sent mailbox, you can unzip the attachment.
This.
Although If I remember right, you can't natively assign it to the delete key. Which is okay because at least RMo has the option of setting it to "a" or something similar.
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I hope they are finally going to fix the duplicate archive folders issue as well as all the other stuff. Although they didn't fix it in Mountain Lion so I guess they won't bother.
Airmail is good and getting better all the time so I'll soon be able to switch to it full time.
I hope they are finally going to fix the duplicate archive folders issue as well as all the other stuff. Although they didn't fix it in Mountain Lion so I guess they won't bother.
Airmail is good and getting better all the time so I'll soon be able to switch to it full time.
aah, good point. In any case Google really needs to fix this. It's entirely on them. all they need to do is add an exception to their blanket prohibition on sending zips within zips. I'm not really sure why they have this restriction in the first place. I don't think any other email providers impose such limitations.
Homework for Google AND Apple
Mm? Why introduce a new attechment-type without (obviously) checking with Google for compatibilty problems?! Not nice, Apple!
Both sides have got some homework to do!
Mm? Why introduce a new attechment-type without (obviously) checking with Google for compatibilty problems?! Not nice, Apple!
Both sides have got some homework to do!
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Thanks (to everyone) for pointing out that you can assign shortcuts in System Preferences. This still isn't quite as nice as using "Delete," which you can't (re)assign,, but "a" won't work either since you need at least one modifier key with "regular" keys. (Thunderbird gets around this since it implements it on its own and is smart about when you press it--i.e., it only happens when you have a message selected.) I might not even bother with this and just use the toolbar instead, even though I still prefer the old method.
You seem awfully pessimistic about them is all.
yes but also realistic. I am sick of hearing their trash. Most of them search out mac forums to "pee" in because they can't define their life any other way.