Ditto, those 2012 Mac Minis are built to last, mine is chugging along.Glad to hear Apple is still interested in the Mac mini. My 2012 Mac mini is still hanging in there, and I’m happy to keep it as long as it can go because I have some software on it that requires me to stick with Mojave. I’ve always been a fan of the Mac mini since my first Mac purchase in 2006 which was a Mac mini.
Classic marketing strategy is 3 classes of product.I’m wondering how many variants of the M1 chip there will be. Will the higher end larger iMac also use this chip? Or will it be called an iMac “Pro” and get an even stronger chip? I assume the Mac Pro will not share the MacBook Pro chip but get something considerably stronger. Also wondering about that smaller Mac Pro rumor awhile back, what chip it will use.
I agree on having more memory, what people forget is the OS over time wants more that takes away from memory for your applications to use. An Applications get larger over time. So 16gb may seem like a lot today, but 3 years from now it could be at the bottom and you have no upgrade capability now on almost every Mac computer.The M1 is more efficient in many ways, including, maybe, RAM usage, but there's zero evidence for the "16GB on M1 = 32GB on Intel" claim, and it has been debunked ad nauseum in other threads.
In a lot of cases, testers haven't actually checked to see if memory is even an issue - either on the M1 or the Intel Mac they are comparing it with - and apparently didn't get the memo that MacOS will mop up any unused RAM to use as file cache etc: you have to look at things like memory pressure to see if lack of RAM is causing a bottleneck. See also the threads on excessive swap use on M1 Macs, which could partly be down to relying on swapping rather than having adequate RAM.
However, thing is, you really shouldn't get more than 16GB of RAM (especially at Apple prices) without doing a bit of research as to whether you actually need that much - even on an Intel machine. 16GB always has gone a long way - but the people who need more, need more.
...and of course, what we haven't seen yet is what a 32 or 64GB Apple Silicon chip can do on those tasks where RAM is an issue... Your Mini may be hosing the 2019 iMac at the moment - but when newer machines come out it could be getting sand kicked in its face again... Now, normally, you might say "yes, there's always something better coming out in a few months' time" but right now we know that Apple have only released what is going to be the "low end" range of Apple Silicon Macs.
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I agree with most of what you said, but it doesn't hurt to have extra RAM as cache, even if strictly speaking it won't make your application performance any faster. Having the extra RAM as cache can still affect overall perceived UI performance. But at Apple's prices, it's often hard to justify the extra cost.The M1 is more efficient in many ways, including, maybe, RAM usage, but there's zero evidence for the "16GB on M1 = 32GB on Intel" claim, and it has been debunked ad nauseum in other threads.
In a lot of cases, testers haven't actually checked to see if memory is even an issue - either on the M1 or the Intel Mac they are comparing it with - and apparently didn't get the memo that MacOS will mop up any unused RAM to use as file cache etc: you have to look at things like memory pressure to see if lack of RAM is causing a bottleneck. See also the threads on excessive swap use on M1 Macs, which could partly be down to relying on swapping rather than having adequate RAM.
However, thing is, you really shouldn't get more than 16GB of RAM (especially at Apple prices) without doing a bit of research as to whether you actually need that much - even on an Intel machine. 16GB always has gone a long way - but the people who need more, need more.
...and of course, what we haven't seen yet is what a 32 or 64GB Apple Silicon chip can do on those tasks where RAM is an issue... Your Mini may be hosing the 2019 iMac at the moment - but when newer machines come out it could be getting sand kicked in its face again... Now, normally, you might say "yes, there's always something better coming out in a few months' time" but right now we know that Apple have only released what is going to be the "low end" range of Apple Silicon Macs.
My rough back-of-the-napkin estimate is that our memory needs increase by about 50% every 4-5 years or so on average, give or take. So, it can make sense to spec on the high side if you keep your machines a long time.I agree on having more memory, what people forget is the OS over time wants more that takes away from memory for your applications to use. An Applications get larger over time. So 16gb may seem like a lot today, but 3 years from now it could be at the bottom and you have no upgrade capability now on almost every Mac computer.
Don't hold your breath for any of that. I'm not even sure an Mx-based Mac Pro is going to have slots at this point.Would still like to see a Mac mini Pro tower with the ability to add memory, SSD storage with a M.2 and maybe a graphics chip change out but I don't think it is going to happen. But it would be nice to see an expandable system.
Yep. I have my eyes set on the MBP 16" but would get also a Mini as my home base computer if it's powerful and have a great price point.If the price is right I will pick one of these up! It has been a while since I had a desktop Mac (2009 mini) and I kind of miss it.
Don’t know about that. That new Mac Pro design is designed to be around for a fair few years I reckon.Don't hold your breath for any of that. I'm not even sure an Mx-based Mac Pro is going to have slots at this point.
5) Two Thunderbolt ports is actually OK for most people, because the Mac mini also includes two USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports. However, the annoying part of this is that if you want to do dual display, you are forced to use HDMI as one of the displays.
I suspect you are right, maybe even hitting the 1.000$ mark.The memory upgrade costs are going to be massive. I upgraded my 2018 mini to 64gb using a Crucial kit for $299. Now that it is soldered in, I'd guess it will be at least $800 to get to 64 gigs. Probably closer to $900.
Maybe grey with banker pinstripes.It will be a bigger imac, not an iMac Pro. More professional colors, though.
From 2014 to 2018 the Mac mini was ridiculously underpowered for use as a developer box. For the headless spectrum there was the low end Mac mini, the high end can, and a big smoking hole where the middle ground had been.Mac mini’s have exist for ages, what do you mean the return of the headless mac?
I'm thinking a tie.Maybe grey with banker pinstripes.
Definitely has to be. Amazon is going to be a huge buyer of these for their MacOS AWS offering. They’re currently using 2018 Mac Minis.Please be true. Please be true. (and available soon...)
This is great - hows the fps on the mba? I had the xplane 11 on the mac pro but my 8gb rx580 died so stopped playing it.
I got a small SSD on my Mini (256GB) and run an external SSD.Someone needs to make a dual m.2 bay mini footprint dock with missing ports, like the old newer models for the original mini. That way you don’t need to waste money on SSD upgrades from Apple. Just move your user folder to the external SSD, keep the system on the internal, and you won’t notice a difference in speed but you will be free to upgrade more in the future.
I used to build my systems, but these days it is becoming not worth the time. The system I am typing on is an I9900K processor with 64 GB of RAM, 6 TB of SSDs, RTX 2070 GPU. But if I wanted to go to the latest and the greatest many of these components would have to be replaced.And forget anything modular from Apple -"system on a chip" means "goodbye to user repairs and upgrades".