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Apple Working on High-End Mac Mini With Additional Ports and More Powerful Chip From Next-Gen MacBook Pro
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This will only further highlight the gaping hole in the display space.
We need a standalone 5K display from Apple that is reasonably priced. $1500 would be fine.
We need a standalone 5K display from Apple that is reasonably priced. $1500 would be fine.
Darn! That may make me swap my current 2018 i7 mini for one of those. My new hobby would significantly benefit from higher single-core power and with more Ram and ports there would be no more reason not to go Mx Mac (except for the price, maybe ;-) )
Same - the new M1-based Mini was tempting, but not QUITE there. M2 + up to 64gb (I really only need 32)? Yes.
All new non low end models for the next year or two will be Apples way of seeing how high they can raise prices on their entire lineup of products. If they can put an m1 into an apple tv and charge three times more for it they will. If they can charge twice as much for a mac mini, they will try it. And so on. A mac mini that in speed and price will hover between the low end imac and the imac pro. Still no monitor or keyboard yet priced over an iMac because its faster but that chip didnt cost an extra $1,000 to produce, maybe a hundred or two hundred more than an M1 at most. So its just an exercise in how much they can charge for new product.
Perhaps the 27"/30" iMac revision will be more to your liking. I'm hoping it will have colors similar to the iMac Pro. Perhaps thew the 27"/30" iMac revision will be the new iMac Pro.
Dunno if you need to wait for that much RAM jhwalker.
By the reviews, and the way the RAM is installed and integrated onto the motherboard (SOC) it would appear that Apple is enhancing via multiple methods, the effectiveness of the amount of RAM available. Thus, 16 GB may act more like twice that because they have optimized how it is used across the system. New M1 owners have documented insane multitasking while rendering 4k video and it still goes faster than the Mac Pro tower. I think Apple is going to fundamentally alter how those numbers matter. For example, if they do a Mac Pro with 32+ core GPU integrated into the system for better use and power need, watch out, they make a case for full integration and force AMD and NVDA to build their own full computers to compete. Wouldn't that be interesting...
By the reviews, and the way the RAM is installed and integrated onto the motherboard (SOC) it would appear that Apple is enhancing via multiple methods, the effectiveness of the amount of RAM available. Thus, 16 GB may act more like twice that because they have optimized how it is used across the system. New M1 owners have documented insane multitasking while rendering 4k video and it still goes faster than the Mac Pro tower. I think Apple is going to fundamentally alter how those numbers matter. For example, if they do a Mac Pro with 32+ core GPU integrated into the system for better use and power need, watch out, they make a case for full integration and force AMD and NVDA to build their own full computers to compete. Wouldn't that be interesting...
I had 2 minis fail due to high thermals and fusion drives , with the cool apple silicon chips and ssd only I might take a second look 👀
If the 27/30” iMac (Pro) does not have the chin and border I will buy one. I would prefer silver or black but I’m not bothered about the colours. Just ditch the chin and border. That’s my only requirement to purchase.
Should I be glad that I decided to sleep on it regarding purchasing an M1 Mac Mini and read this article?
Or does it still make sense to pull the trigger on the current M1 mini?
Or does it still make sense to pull the trigger on the current M1 mini?
Man as much as I loved my 2012 i7 mini and loathe my 2018 i7 mini (also salty because I got it 30 days before the M1 mini was announced) I think my next Mac will be the 13-14” MacBook Pro.
would love to have the option of portability with a laptop now.
probably give the 2018 Mini to my mom to replace her 2011 mini.
would love to have the option of portability with a laptop now.
probably give the 2018 Mini to my mom to replace her 2011 mini.
Hope this is true, it’s nice to see the Mac Mini get some love, it’s been so neglected over the years and left out to pasture so many times compared to everything thing else in Apples line up.
You can already order 10gigE for the current M1 Mac Minis, and it works amazingly well from what I've seen.
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The macho in me wants a 64gb Mac Mini. But in reality, I've been using this M1 Mini for a while now with 16GB and it's really happy with it...and this is the same workload I was using with my 32GB Mac Pro.
I suspect that with 64GB of ram most of that will be used for disk cache, which is what it seems to be happening on my M1.
I suspect that with 64GB of ram most of that will be used for disk cache, which is what it seems to be happening on my M1.
We’ll have to see how much does apple charge for the ram upgrade. For the current mini selecting 16GB as a bto option increases the price in 200$, I can’t imagine apple not charging an outrageous price for the 64 GB.
The memory upgrade costs are going to be massive. I upgraded my 2018 mini to 64gb using a Crucial kit for $299. Now that it is soldered in, I'd guess it will be at least $800 to get to 64 gigs. Probably closer to $900.
Some random points:
1) Nobody has 10 Gigabit internet access, but people are now getting close to 2 Gbps internet access. However, that's besides the point anyway. The point is that home intranets are now viable at 2.5 Gbps or even 10 Gbps. This is especially important because home office NASes >1 Gbps support now exist for reasonable cost.
2) I don't think the newer higher end Mac mini will be renamed. It will be a "Mac mini". Plus I don't think it will replace the current model. It will just add a higher priced set of tiers.
3) I am hopeful the form factor will change. It's not critical, but it would be a bonus.
4) 16 GB in the Mac mini is actually OK for me, although 32 GB might be preferred depending upon how I eventually end up using it.
5) Two Thunderbolt ports is actually OK for most people, because the Mac mini also includes two USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports. However, the annoying part of this is that if you want to do dual display, you are forced to use HDMI as one of the displays. This can be a problem if you want to use two identical displays. Ideally there would be 3 or 4 Thunderbolt ports, two of which that could be used for monitors. IOW, the M1 Mac mini is not just a limitation for those wanting 3 displays. It can also be a limitation for those wanting 2 matching displays.
6) The current Mac mini has an internal power supply. I wonder if they'd make it an external power supply if they change the form factor.
1) Nobody has 10 Gigabit internet access, but people are now getting close to 2 Gbps internet access. However, that's besides the point anyway. The point is that home intranets are now viable at 2.5 Gbps or even 10 Gbps. This is especially important because home office NASes >1 Gbps support now exist for reasonable cost.
2) I don't think the newer higher end Mac mini will be renamed. It will be a "Mac mini". Plus I don't think it will replace the current model. It will just add a higher priced set of tiers.
3) I am hopeful the form factor will change. It's not critical, but it would be a bonus.
4) 16 GB in the Mac mini is actually OK for me, although 32 GB might be preferred depending upon how I eventually end up using it.
5) Two Thunderbolt ports is actually OK for most people, because the Mac mini also includes two USB 3.1 Gen 2 ports. However, the annoying part of this is that if you want to do dual display, you are forced to use HDMI as one of the displays. This can be a problem if you want to use two identical displays. Ideally there would be 3 or 4 Thunderbolt ports, two of which that could be used for monitors. IOW, the M1 Mac mini is not just a limitation for those wanting 3 displays. It can also be a limitation for those wanting 2 matching displays.
6) The current Mac mini has an internal power supply. I wonder if they'd make it an external power supply if they change the form factor.
The M1 is more efficient in many ways, including, maybe, RAM usage, but there's zero evidence for the "16GB on M1 = 32GB on Intel" claim, and it has been debunked ad nauseum in other threads.
In a lot of cases, testers haven't actually checked to see if memory is even an issue - either on the M1 or the Intel Mac they are comparing it with - and apparently didn't get the memo that MacOS will mop up any unused RAM to use as file cache etc: you have to look at things like memory pressure to see if lack of RAM is causing a bottleneck. See also the threads on excessive swap use on M1 Macs, which could partly be down to relying on swapping rather than having adequate RAM.
However, thing is, you really shouldn't get more than 16GB of RAM (especially at Apple prices) without doing a bit of research as to whether you actually need that much - even on an Intel machine. 16GB always has gone a long way - but the people who need more, need more.
...and of course, what we haven't seen yet is what a 32 or 64GB Apple Silicon chip can do on those tasks where RAM is an issue... Your Mini may be hosing the 2019 iMac at the moment - but when newer machines come out it could be getting sand kicked in its face again... Now, normally, you might say "yes, there's always something better coming out in a few months' time" but right now we know that Apple have only released what is going to be the "low end" range of Apple Silicon Macs.